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Fans customized the Wicked movie poster to more closely match the original Broadway poster.
Original Broadway Poster:
Movie poster:
Some fans, disappointed by the poster, altered it to be closer to the original, moving Grande’s hand and lowering the brim of Erivo’s hat to cover her eyes. The edits prompted Erivo to respond. “This is the wildest, most offensive thing I have seen
“None of this is funny. None of it is cute. It degrades me. It degrades us,” Erivo continued. “The original poster is an ILLUSTRATION. I am a real life human being, who chose to look right down the barrel of the camera to you, the viewer… because, without words we communicate with our eyes.”
So, this seems like a completely reasonable reaction to fans making fan content.
“Her feelings are unjustified and come off as narcissistic.”
her own feelings are justified and not subject to your or anyone’s approval.
her feelings are justified.
they come off as narcissistic only to you because you do not see her as deserving of feelings.
this is your problem, not hers.
“For her to react this negatively over a fan making their own version of a poster says a great deal more about her, and to me does more damage to her reputation than a poster ever could.”
her reaction does not invalidate her feelings or her basic humanity, both of which you are shamefully dismissing as irrelevant.
“Have we seen Ian mckellan go on a tirade because fans made a two towers poster that doesn’t include his face?”
this situation is about a different person, Cynthia erivo, whose feelings were hurt, not Ian, whose feelings were not hurt.
“that’s her problem she needs to tackle herself,”
she is. she is explaining her feelings to the public, which as an actor is very natural.
she isn’t attacking other people, she didn’t “dump on the people”, she is explaining how she was hurt and how this feels to her, personally.
read her statement, you apparently have no idea what it says.
“now has people like you defending her for basically calling this person (who again all we know is just a super big Wicked fan) basically the devil.”
neither erivo in her statement nor i here have called the creator " basically the devil" or attacked this person at all, in any way.
we’re talking about the feelings of Cynthia, and her basic humanity, which you are shamefully dismissing as irrelevant.
there was no attack in this statement, it is an explanation of how she feels as a result of being erased from a work she cares about.
you don’t respect and are dismissing her perspective, feelings and her right to express her feelings, which is offensive and shameful of you.
Correct. I dismiss her feelings. We’re just going in circles now. I dismiss her feelings, because they are something again that she needs to deal with, not me, not her audience. She said what she wanted to say, I say that she was wrong and vain to do so. Her simply “having feelings” does not make her suddenly perfect and right. She was wrong jump to conclusions that she was being erased. She was wrong to call out a fan who just made a poster and assume that they were doing it as a personal slight. She was petty for not just ignoring the thing and moving on with her life. Those are all of my feelings, does that make me right too? We can all have our own feelings, and we’ve evolved a bit into being allowed to express them. However the same adage applies, my freedom ends where my fist ends and your face begins. Same thing here. Her feelings are valid - internally. Making them public like this exposes her to criticism, which I now have a lot of. If she didn’t want that criticism she was welcome to not say anything.
Being critical of someone does not remove their humanity.
“Being critical of someone does not remove their humanity”
I don’t think anybody told you it did.
saying that someone’s feelings are not valid?
that is dehumanizing.
“Those are all of my feelings, does that make me right too?”
you’re still missing the point. it doesn’t matter how right or wrong you were, your feelings are valid and should be respected, particularly if, instead of how you are characterizing Cynthia, she is nearly expressing how she feels so that people are aware of how erasing her makes her feel.
“Her feelings are valid - internally. Making them public like this exposes her to criticism”
criticizing her and trying to invalidate her experiences only dehumanizes you, not her.
her feelings are valid.
you don’t like it, that’s valid too.
but it does not invalidate her feelings just because you value her less than you value yourself.
The same selfish problem everyone else complaining about her merely expressing herself has.
I mean, if it’s shameful to not empathize with someone over the slight of their face being partially covered in a movie poster, then I’ll accept that. Your disdain of people means nothing to me.
'…means nothing to me."
I can tell by how invested you are in this post that you don’t care at all.
“…if it’s shameful to not empathize with someone…”
It’s not shameful to “not empathize with someone”, you’re the one that made that up.
it is shameful for you to invalidate someone’s feelings; that dehumanizes them.
I’m not invested in anything other than to point out your outrage is just pissing in the wind here. And I don’t care what you think so telling me I’m shameful means nothing to me.
my outrage?
i was not feeling any outrage, you might want to pat your pockets for a more local source of indignant frustration.
“I’m not interested…And I don’t care what you think”
You are so “not invested” and “don’t care what [i] think” so much that you’re jumping into a 2-day old post to offer up your ideas on the matter to me specifically.
I mean, it’s a minute of my day to tell you simply that you shaking your fist at people who don’t share your outrage is pointless. I’m really not invested other than to keep engaging you to point out how silly this is. Up to you when you want to stop.
any outrage you’re feeling is your own.
I’m not “shaking my fist”, I’m pointing out that people are objectively wrong about what Cynthia has said, and that saying her feelings are not valid is dehumanizing.
treating her as a person seems to make you people very upset.
“I’m really not invested ither than…”
restarting an old post to declare your devotion to relitigating how one person doesn’t deserve to have feelings or express themselves, but other people do.
"… point out how silly this is.*
The thread you took the time to start? I agree.
I didn’t start this thread, FYI.
Also, I disagree with your premise that anything about this is dehumanizing. Along with that, you’re some rando on the Internet so your condemnation means nothing to me, and likely nothing to anyone else.
Not sure why you keep accusing me of things. I already told you I’m here to have meaningless exchanges with you and nothing else. We can keep going all you’d like.
" I disagree with your premise that anything about this is dehumanizing."
phew, good thing that’s not my premise.
“you’re some rando on the Internet”
… says you, the rando on the internet.
“your condemnation means nothing to me, and likely nothing to anyone else.”
oh, sure, that’s where the energy comes from for dozens of vitriolic commenters to furiously scribble all of these responses for 48 hours straight so far.
from how much none of you care.
“I’m here to have meaningless exchanges with you and nothing else.”
then I wonder why you keep declaring strong, consistent opinions based on personal values?
“meaningless exchanges”
you’re vehemently expressing your personal feelings and ideas in an extended conversation that you are personally perpetuating.
seems pretty meaningful to you.