• @RedditRefugee69
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    92 months ago

    This was a great comment until you implied only conservatives are deciding not to vote for Harris due to our support of Israel.

    • @[email protected]
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      412 months ago

      I was making fun of that short-sighted self-serving nature by making a comparison to capitalist conservatives, not asserting that champagne socialists are, themselves, capitalist conservatives (though, functionally, their actions serve the same goals).

        • @[email protected]
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          302 months ago

          Prefferring the surety of another four years where they don’t have to think about politics over the chance for fundamental changes in how our political system functions when a large majority of the country aligns against a second Trump administration.

          God, accelerationism is so fucking dumb.

          • Dwemthy (he/him)
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            252 months ago

            If we just let the fascists win then we’ll be able to usher in a socialist paradise! What’s unclear about that to you? Read a book! /s

            • @[email protected]OP
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              162 months ago

              I hate and love how this is pretty much exactly accelerationism explained without the childlike naiveté.

            • knightly the Sneptaur
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              42 months ago

              A literal pandemic killed millions of Americans and the status quo between the Democrats and the Ivermectin party barely even twitched.

              If you think there is a realistic electoral path out of our bipartisan death spiral, I would love to hear it. I’m just cynical enough not to be surprised that neither complicity in genocide abroad or the mass murders of schoolchildren at home will convince the Democrats to start treating Republicans like a threat.

              • Dwemthy (he/him)
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                122 months ago

                The way out of a death spiral is not directly into oblivion. It fucking sucks that genocide is in the category of really important things that need addressing but it is not in the category of things that can be addressed in this particular election.

                The electoral path is not at the ballot box every four years at the presidential level. It’s down the ballot and on the other the years. It’s building political capital for the cause you believe in by showing usefulness to the people seeking or holding power and talking to them about the issues you care about. Volunteer for your local house candidate and talk to people in their campaign about how important it is to you that they don’t support genocide, urge them to vote against arms shipments and denounce settlements. Tell your representative how you want them to vote and get other people to do the same.

                Working to get people elected gets them to listen to you, that’s why there’s so much money involved in elections.

                • knightly the Sneptaur
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                  22 months ago

                  The way out of a death spiral is not directly into oblivion.

                  So we need to change course, that means not doing the same thing we always do.

                  It fucking sucks that genocide is in the category of really important things that need addressing but it is not in the category of things that can be addressed in this particular election.

                  I strongly agree. Not only does it fucking suck, the lack of any reasonable choice betrays the entire electoral system as an anti-democratic waste that deserves nothing but our contempt.

                  The electoral path is not at the ballot box every four years at the presidential level. It’s down the ballot and on the other the years.

                  I can’t think of a response to this that isn’t condescending. It’s cute that you think we will be allowed to vote our way out of a system that is designed to keep the levers of power out of our hands.

                  Tell your representative how you want them to vote and get other people to do the same.

                  The better solution is not to put your fate in their hands in the first place. Don’t build political capital for someone else, build alternative structures of power that can serve the needs of your community.

                  • Dwemthy (he/him)
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                    32 months ago

                    Okay, so you don’t believe in representational democracy. I’m not surprised that if you can’t be bothered to vote then you can’t be bothered to influence who you get to vote for.

                    What’s a realistic way to build these alternative structures? How do these alternative structures work such that your local needs are met and the genocide in Palestine gets stopped?

                • knightly the Sneptaur
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                  22 months ago

                  An end to the fillibuster.

                  Fistfights in Congress.

                  Omnibus bills failing as Democrats refuse to put Republican policies in place.

                  Three-letter-agencies start prosecuting churches that give political endorsements.

                  Y’know, anything other than bending over backwards to try and work with them.

                  • @[email protected]
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                    62 months ago

                    Democrats refuse to put Republican policies in place

                    Can you be more specific?

                    An end to the fillibuster.

                    I agree, and Senate Democrats seem to be coming around to it too.

                    Fistfights in Congress

                    Pointless, though amusing.

                    Three-letter-agencies start prosecuting churches that give political endorsements.

                    Agreed.

          • knightly the Sneptaur
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            42 months ago

            As opposed to what, doing the same thing every election in the hopes that it will somehow turn out differently this time?

            • BarqsHasBite
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              182 months ago

              Every time the Dems look left they lose. They go to the center because they lose control (they need all 3 houses to do anything), so they go to the center to find voters. They’ve had control of all 3 houses for, drumroll please, 4 of the last 24 years. Want them to stop going to the center? Them give them victories.

                • knightly the Sneptaur
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                  32 months ago

                  Note how Barqs did not specify which years those were, that’s because the answer would contradict their point. Half of those four years were Obama’s first, after he campaigned to the left on a message of hope and change but before his actual administration revealed him to be just another moderate.

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              162 months ago

              As opposed to trying to make things better and avoid more suffering for everyone.

              Accelerationists have never lived through what they claim to want because if they did, and lived, they would no longer be accelerationists.

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                2 months ago

                Accelerationists won’t have to live with the consequences because they don’t originate in the US.

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                    I’ll take you at your word, which is trying, but even if true I prefaced my statement with original. This means you’re part of the plan, and you would have to be. Though you may not identify as accelerationist your existence is spurred on and enunicated by a foreign effort to defeat America by turning it on itself.

                    Edit: My bad

              • knightly the Sneptaur
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                42 months ago

                Doing the same thing you’ve always done isn’t “trying to make things better”, it’s “trying to make things stay the same”.

                If you want to avoid suffering, you have to be against genocide.

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                  32 months ago

                  My opinion is that you’re incorrect inside wrong wrapped in no.

                  But I appreciate you’re hanging in there because I’m pretending you really care about stopping genocide. In the United States you could work for the BIA if you really cared about these things but I don’t know what the options are wherever you are.

            • @[email protected]OP
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              112 months ago

              I mean, that or all the angry young/middle age voters could, gasp show up to the primaries and move the party to the direction they’d like to see. Instead, the elderly voters, despite being a much smaller share of the population, outvote the heck out of them.

              If folks like you paid attention to politics when it matters, not just when it was trendy, things would be a lot different.

              Then again, reading what you’ve written, maybe it’s for the best y’all don’t.