• magnetosphere
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    1334 days ago

    Not even in office yet, and already making threats.

    I’d like to see Europe tell Vance to fuck off. I suspect that if Europe gives in now, the Trump administration will make this same threat every time Europe does something he doesn’t like.

    Trump will be an unreliable NATO ally anyway, so it isn’t much of a risk on Europe’s part.

    • OpenStars
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      234 days ago

      And this was from September so not even elected yet.

      Tbh it kinda sounds like they just want to leave NATO regardless.

      • magnetosphere
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        124 days ago

        I get the same feeling, too. They’re just looking for an excuse to ditch Europe - perhaps as a sacrifice to Putin.

        • OpenStars
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          124 days ago

          Ofc they won’t SAY that - they’ll talk about “what a fantastic savings it will be, to not spend that money”, and probably they’ll work up gently to the point of sending US citizens to become meat shields like the North Koreans and so many others lately. But at each stage, it will always be what “we” wanted to do - it’s “our” idea to do it, I tell you!?

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    • @[email protected]
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      214 days ago

      I wouldn’t be surprised if he pulls the US out of NATO and the UN, since he hates both organizations.

      • @[email protected]
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        23 days ago

        If I recall correctly countries can’t withdrawl from the UN without their approval

        Problem is though that the un-united dystopia of america could cause issues in the UN

        • @[email protected]
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          3 days ago

          Do you not understand what the word “dictator” means? He told us what he’s going to be. Congress is irrelevant, and if it continues to exist, it will be to rubber stamp, at best.

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        The US pulling out of the UN would allow them to pass all sorts of cool stuff, like recognizing and admitting Palestine and calling for a ceasefire, recognizing the universal rights of children, and condemning the far-right, all of which the US used its veto power to stop against overwhelming support on the other side.

    • @[email protected]
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      124 days ago

      It’s going to be a hell of a long 4 years, for America and the rest of the world. Damn.

    • sunzu2
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      74 days ago

      EU countries could start by carryng their weight in NATO.

      Ukraine war exposed EU as incoherent imbeciles unable to maintain a proper security posture, esp Germany and their Nazis nepo baby regime… Straight 🤡

      Vance behavior is out of line but you need to check that bravado that is not support by anything.

      Pay for your own defense and help Ukraine properly… This is your fucking war that was caused by German being a Putin’s bitch. Industrial economy relying on a geopolitical adversery for energy while 40k American protect it from Russia for free. Classic parasite behavior.

      Mutti merkal so good 🤡

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        The EU has by now significantly outpaid the US, and out-supported the US in Ukraine. However, for historical reasons, it lacks certain items which Ukrainians badly need (tactical ballistic missiles and anti-missile defense, to bring good examples).

        On the matter of aircraft, I should especially emphasize that EU countries have given fighter aircraft, but the US has not. The US is currently attempting to get through the bureaucracy of approving a Swedish AWACS aircraft (with some US components) going to Ukraine.

        Educate thyself here, military people use this resource and approve of it:

        https://protectukrainenow.org/en/report

      • @[email protected]
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        74 days ago

        You offended a bunch of Germans here. Don’t forget the Americans are sitting in Germany mostly to bomb Syrian kids though, they’re not defending Europe from anything.

        • sunzu2
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          You offended a bunch of Germans here.

          Maybe they will get in their dense authority bootlicking brains that their political leadership has fumble Germany’s geo politcal posture for benefit of oligarch’s who seed wealth came largely from slave labour during the third reich.

          These oligarchs sold German geopoltics our for cheap Russian gas, they obstruct proper policy vis-a-vis Russia because they want a “rapprochement” jfc…

          Nahh… instead they get butthurt… me country good 🤡

          Pathetic.

          In US at least critically thinking people US ourselves for what we are… A global empire with all the bullshit that it entails. Having to dance around German’s sensibilities online…

          Get a fucking clue…