Because drinking “milk” from nuts and oats isn’t weird?
People have been drinking animal milk for thousands of years so the weird ones are those pretending some heavily processed industry process isn’t weird.
I mean soy milk has been around since the 14th century.
Processing and industrialization is something that’s happened to most things in our food chain, including actual milk.
“Milk” from nuts and oats is just a word. Call it oat juice, oat extract, make up a new word and call it oat zligbab. The actual thing being drunk is not far from the realm of things we already drink and eat. Getting hung up on it being called “milk” is a superficial and disingenuous argument against it.
If you want to compare the extremes of industrialized processes, are you familiar with commercial dairy farming?
It’s used in the same way for the same recipes. Yes, production-wise it doesn’t have much to do with animal milk, but culinarily it’s similar. Do you feel as strongly about the fact the “vegetables” as a grouping doesn’t make any biological or production sense either?
It’s called oat milk because it’s a nut-based beverage deliberately designed to mimic many of the properties and uses of actual cow’s milk. It’s not like oat milk is literally just juice pressed from oats. There are a whole series of steps, added ingredients, and chemical processes meant to make the resulting product as interchangeable for cow’s milk as possible.
Nut milk is just nuts and water, you can make it yourself super easy.
Drinking the milk of another mammal after you were weaned is freaking weird and unique to humans and unnecessary and bad for the environment and isn’t done by a significant portion of the world’s population.
You know what also isn’t done by a significant part of the world? Eating insects. But im not gonna go and call their eating habbits weird just because it’s not something I grew up with.
It’s called being tolerant and accepting of others culture.
those are impacts from production. once it’s produced, drinking it has no impact at all.
but I would be remiss if I didn’t point out that your link relies on poore-nemecek 2018, which ignores the fact that LCA studies cannot be combined. it’s bad science.
I think you understand milk is produced as part of the mammalian reproductive cycle. can you describe the causal steps between demanding milk and its production?
One is necessary to stay healthy and/or alive, the other is something the majority of us don’t drink and no other mammal continues drinking even though they all drink it after birth
Not the person you’re responding to, but I think that the argument “we shouldn’t do X because no other animals do it” is a bad argument in general and overall weakens your position. Because there are plenty of things that humans do that animals don’t do that are good (like developing and applying vaccines for example).
There are plenty of other valid and good reasons to promote dairy alternatives (such as health or environmental reasons).
In this case it very much is a good comparison because it’s something all other mammals do until they’re weaned and we used to act the same way until domestication. In the grand history of humanity, drinking milk is an anomaly.
Dining milk isn’t unique to humans, contrary to clothings and dentistry like someone else mentioned to try and back the exact same point you tried to make, it’s the fact that some of you can’t accept to stop drinking it and need to get it from other mammals because of lobbies that is unique.
The ability to digest animal milk is literally a genetic mutation that was useful enough to have spread to about 40% of the world’s population. Milk is an amazing source of nutrients and before food was as secure as it is now it was a lifeline during long winters.
You can talk as moral as you like about your personal preferences but the genetic record clearly indicates that our ancestors needed animal milk to survive. And in today’s society with pasteurization making cow milk safe even in the midst of a H5N1 epidemic in cows it continues to be an amazing source of nutrients, giving a near complete baseline of nutrients for an individual’s diet. There’s a reason schools push kids to drink milk every day and it’s not just the dairy lobby
Your said so yourself, the genetic adaptation is present in a minority of the population and these days it’s not necessary in the vast majority of the world since the nutrients can easily be found elsewhere.
Yes, the reason why it’s pushed in schools is very much the dairy lobby. When Health Canada created the most recent food guide they got rid of the industry’s influence and instead focused on science… Well, dairy is pretty much gone, they only say small quantities of low fat dairy can be part of healthy eating habits.
Guess who was pissed? The dairy industry because it needs the publicity and getting removed showed Canadians that we were just fooled by marketers.
How does the majority of humans manage to survive without drinking it in school? 😱 Wake up, you’ve been had by a billions dollars multinational industry.
the genetic adaptation is present in a minority of the population
Yes a minority of the world population, but it is present in a majority of the American population (about 70%)
How does the majority of humans manage to survive without drinking it in school?
My point about the schools is that kids often have craptastic diets, be that due to poor parenting or just kids being picky eaters, and milk rounds out the diet and fills in the gaps since it’s such a great source of nutrients
Wake up, you’ve been had by a billions dollars multinational industry
Bro I just think milk and dairy tastes good (plus it’s full of good nutrients and pretty dang healthy) and you’re being weird about pushing your personal preferences on others while making vague moral judgments.
Americans aren’t exceptional, we’re on an international platform, the world doesn’t revolve around your fat ass (which, by the way, isn’t helped by dairy, especially milk).
Kids would be better served by getting fed a variety of food that wouldn’t include dairy.
The Canadian food guide doesn’t include dairy because it’s not as healthy as the industry pretends and it gets induced in the US guide because of lobbies, not because of Science.
I love milk but I do agree with you. Whenever I actually stop to think about it, the concept of milk is pretty damn weird. I feel the same way about eggs
I’m not against veganism and I’d probably be at least a vegetarian if lab grown meat was more widely available. I have celiac though so my food options are already limited so I don’t want to limit them further
There’s a significant amount of processing going on in nut milk production. Yes you can make your own which is true for a lot of foods but the stuff you buy at the store is heavily processed.
Just because we’re the only mamal that does it doesn’t mean anything because we’re the only mamal that does a ton of stuff that doesn’t make it weird. It is definitely terrible for the planet but not sure what you mean by a significant portion of the worlds population. I’m pretty sure cheese is in almost all cultures or are you just saying straight milk.
Straight milk, lactose intolerance isn’t as much of an issue with cheese so it’s eaten all over the world, but drinking the milk itself is done by a minority.
Because drinking “milk” from nuts and oats isn’t weird?
People have been drinking animal milk for thousands of years so the weird ones are those pretending some heavily processed industry process isn’t weird.
Biologically it’s extremely weird to drink another animals milk. No other mammal does that.
No other animal does what we’re doing here either. Weird isn’t necessarily bad
Didn’t say it was
I mean soy milk has been around since the 14th century.
Processing and industrialization is something that’s happened to most things in our food chain, including actual milk.
Always great to put that into arguments. It doesn’t really mean anything but it sounds dubious.
“Milk” from nuts and oats is just a word. Call it oat juice, oat extract, make up a new word and call it oat zligbab. The actual thing being drunk is not far from the realm of things we already drink and eat. Getting hung up on it being called “milk” is a superficial and disingenuous argument against it.
If you want to compare the extremes of industrialized processes, are you familiar with commercial dairy farming?
it’s water pressed through oats/nuts to add a little flavor, not from a nut teet.
I mean, with advanced enough genetic engineering, we might be able to make nut teets a thing…
Then do not compare that to milk. First guy used the comparison.
It’s used in the same way for the same recipes. Yes, production-wise it doesn’t have much to do with animal milk, but culinarily it’s similar. Do you feel as strongly about the fact the “vegetables” as a grouping doesn’t make any biological or production sense either?
It’s called oat milk because it’s a nut-based beverage deliberately designed to mimic many of the properties and uses of actual cow’s milk. It’s not like oat milk is literally just juice pressed from oats. There are a whole series of steps, added ingredients, and chemical processes meant to make the resulting product as interchangeable for cow’s milk as possible.
Damn, guess we all have to stop calling it peanut butter then 🙄
People drink it as an alternative because it has similar gustatory properties, so yes it very much is something that can be compared to animal milk.
Nut milk is just nuts and water, you can make it yourself super easy.
Drinking the milk of another mammal after you were weaned is freaking weird and unique to humans and unnecessary and bad for the environment and isn’t done by a significant portion of the world’s population.
You know what also isn’t done by a significant part of the world? Eating insects. But im not gonna go and call their eating habbits weird just because it’s not something I grew up with.
It’s called being tolerant and accepting of others culture.
drinking milk has no impact on the environment
What?
https://ourworldindata.org/environmental-impact-milks
those are impacts from production. once it’s produced, drinking it has no impact at all.
but I would be remiss if I didn’t point out that your link relies on poore-nemecek 2018, which ignores the fact that LCA studies cannot be combined. it’s bad science.
High speed doesn’t kill anyone, it’s the sudden deceleration that does.
That’s completely idiotic, production exist because there’s demand for it.
I think you understand milk is produced as part of the mammalian reproductive cycle. can you describe the causal steps between demanding milk and its production?
Do you think dairy cattle just randomly spawns on the planetary surface?
how can you prove that?
So you are against clothes? Anither thing only humans do.
Or dentistry.
Stupid take is stupid
One is necessary to stay healthy and/or alive, the other is something the majority of us don’t drink and no other mammal continues drinking even though they all drink it after birth
any predator would eat the mammaries of a pregnant or nursing prey animal
Not the person you’re responding to, but I think that the argument “we shouldn’t do X because no other animals do it” is a bad argument in general and overall weakens your position. Because there are plenty of things that humans do that animals don’t do that are good (like developing and applying vaccines for example).
There are plenty of other valid and good reasons to promote dairy alternatives (such as health or environmental reasons).
In this case it very much is a good comparison because it’s something all other mammals do until they’re weaned and we used to act the same way until domestication. In the grand history of humanity, drinking milk is an anomaly.
Dining milk isn’t unique to humans, contrary to clothings and dentistry like someone else mentioned to try and back the exact same point you tried to make, it’s the fact that some of you can’t accept to stop drinking it and need to get it from other mammals because of lobbies that is unique.
The unique things about our species are some of the things that make life great
The ability to digest animal milk is literally a genetic mutation that was useful enough to have spread to about 40% of the world’s population. Milk is an amazing source of nutrients and before food was as secure as it is now it was a lifeline during long winters.
You can talk as moral as you like about your personal preferences but the genetic record clearly indicates that our ancestors needed animal milk to survive. And in today’s society with pasteurization making cow milk safe even in the midst of a H5N1 epidemic in cows it continues to be an amazing source of nutrients, giving a near complete baseline of nutrients for an individual’s diet. There’s a reason schools push kids to drink milk every day and it’s not just the dairy lobby
Your said so yourself, the genetic adaptation is present in a minority of the population and these days it’s not necessary in the vast majority of the world since the nutrients can easily be found elsewhere.
Yes, the reason why it’s pushed in schools is very much the dairy lobby. When Health Canada created the most recent food guide they got rid of the industry’s influence and instead focused on science… Well, dairy is pretty much gone, they only say small quantities of low fat dairy can be part of healthy eating habits.
https://food-guide.canada.ca/en/
Guess who was pissed? The dairy industry because it needs the publicity and getting removed showed Canadians that we were just fooled by marketers.
How does the majority of humans manage to survive without drinking it in school? 😱 Wake up, you’ve been had by a billions dollars multinational industry.
Yes a minority of the world population, but it is present in a majority of the American population (about 70%)
My point about the schools is that kids often have craptastic diets, be that due to poor parenting or just kids being picky eaters, and milk rounds out the diet and fills in the gaps since it’s such a great source of nutrients
Bro I just think milk and dairy tastes good (plus it’s full of good nutrients and pretty dang healthy) and you’re being weird about pushing your personal preferences on others while making vague moral judgments.
Americans aren’t exceptional, we’re on an international platform, the world doesn’t revolve around your fat ass (which, by the way, isn’t helped by dairy, especially milk).
Kids would be better served by getting fed a variety of food that wouldn’t include dairy.
The Canadian food guide doesn’t include dairy because it’s not as healthy as the industry pretends and it gets induced in the US guide because of lobbies, not because of Science.
why are you trying to destroy an ethnic minority’s cultural foods?
I love milk but I do agree with you. Whenever I actually stop to think about it, the concept of milk is pretty damn weird. I feel the same way about eggs
Sounding like a vegan before they’ve realised
I’m not against veganism and I’d probably be at least a vegetarian if lab grown meat was more widely available. I have celiac though so my food options are already limited so I don’t want to limit them further
There’s a significant amount of processing going on in nut milk production. Yes you can make your own which is true for a lot of foods but the stuff you buy at the store is heavily processed.
Just because we’re the only mamal that does it doesn’t mean anything because we’re the only mamal that does a ton of stuff that doesn’t make it weird. It is definitely terrible for the planet but not sure what you mean by a significant portion of the worlds population. I’m pretty sure cheese is in almost all cultures or are you just saying straight milk.
Straight milk, lactose intolerance isn’t as much of an issue with cheese so it’s eaten all over the world, but drinking the milk itself is done by a minority.