- Wearing a visible religious symbol while working for the public sector
This one seems reasonable, I’m sure it applies universally and fairly to all religions right?..right?
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They are asking whether the prohibition affects Christians wearing cross and fish symbols, or only less popular religions’ symbols and styles
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The Australian census has a similar question. “None” is not an option, though I don’t think it’s a mandatory question (though it’s hard to get meaningful data out of blank versus a stated “none”)
For this law specifically, it didn’t when it was first proposed. I was living in Montreal at the time and there were protests. The provincial government said the cross is “not a religious symbol” or something similar.
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How about wearing a wedding ring on the left hand 3rd finger? Since the 9th century, that’s primarily been a strongly Christian tradition, therefore arguably a symbol of Christianity?
I think it’s only arguably Christian. Loads of atheists follow that tradition and I would consider it culture not religion
I…don’t get it, are you guys sure (Not from Canada lol) a conservative wrote it? What’s the catch?
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Not everyone in Québec is a French Canadian. There are also French Canadians in the rest of Canada.
But I’m guessing laïcité is a concept you would like to learn more about before making sweeping judgements? Laïcité isn’t perfect, but neither is exemptionism. Laïcité fails people who want to completely freely express their religion, where exemptionism fails those who want to be free from the religion of others.
Have spend time in religious-conflict zones, I’m personally biased towards laïcité. You can imagine Muslims and Jews might want some freedom from seeing symbols of the other’s religion in public institutions right now with the ongoing conflict. Similar feeling for Christians, Orthodox, and Muslims after the Yugoslavian wars; or Christians and Muslims in sub-saharan African; or Sunnis and Shias on Yemen; or anyone who’s not Deobandian Sunni in Afghanistan.
Exemptionism is great for people who haven’t experienced religious persecution. Québécois.e.s feel, real or precived, that they were persecuted by their own religion. This led to the silent revolution, and has a lasting effect of voting in favour of more restrictive, over open, religious freedom laws.
I hope this helps, and of you have examples of which darker skin religions do not get to keep their culture, I would be interested to hear. My own burrough has large Haitian, Jamaican, and Côté d’ivoirian communities; and a fledgling laosian one.
As an immigrant that came to the West Coast I appreciate what you say here as it helps me (us) understand better the reasoning behind the banning of religious symbols in Quebec.
I think you’d have to discuss that with France first.
No catch, but some people don’t like that it affects women who wear hijabs.
Frankly, I’m not even Quebecois and I agree with the law. If you’re going for your driver’s test and you’re obviously gay, you’re going to feel pretty nervous if your tester is wearing some fundie garb, whether it’s a hijab or a cross around their neck. Worse still if you’re going to apply for welfare.
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Yeah like I said, I’m not from QC, so I don’t know the letter of the law. But that’s a great example too.
Don’t talk on behalf of gay people you know nothing.
Hijabs are not “fundie garb”. I am not treated badly by hijabi women and have never heard anyone complain of such.
What a vile attempt to insinuate amnosity between groups you have no involvement in.
Yes the nudists finally won a victory. All that garden of eden shame stuff is finally gone. Judges, teachers and cops no longer wear any garment whose purpose is modesty.
Shame and modesty are of course punishment from God because of Eve having eaten the Fruit of the Tree of Knowledge.
- Placing renewable energy projects on their own land (Alberta)
Not on public land. On private land. But only when it would block the pristine views of the wildfires that are getting worse every year for some reason.
And views of pump jacks!
This is a very factual article. I’m not sure where the satire is.
The satire is that some citizens of Canada think these are good things.
And some Canadians held pro-Trump marches during the last American elections…we also have idiots, no country is immune from having dumb people.
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Sadly, the real story’s in the comments.
This is fantastic, another great Beaverton article.
- Learning about ways to prevent being sexually assaulted (Saskatchewan)
Parents can still arrange for their children to take these sexual education courses privately, so it’s only the vulnerable, less protected children who will be left without the knowledge!
Do people really need a paid, formal education to protect themselves from sexual assault?
In my experience, the victims of sexual assault tend to put their trust in the wrong people. It would be better to raise children to pick their friends more wisely.
“It’s the victim’s fault for putting themselves in the wrong situations, and dressing like that”
Your words, not mine.
You have a lot of experience with victims of sexual assault?
Seems like there might be a common denominator here…
Yes. And they’re almost always people who have poor character judgement because their parents never taught them.
What on earth do you think those lessons are for? It almost certainly covers spotting signs from people you trust that might lead to abuse, and protecting yourself by removing yourself from the situation if you can.
So… it’s only for a specific group of people who don’t have parents to teach them right from wrong?
In my experience, the victims of sexual assault tend to put their trust in the wrong people.
This sentence is more horrifying the longer I look at it.
Yeah, reality isn’t pretty.
So when a 5 year old girl is raped by her father, when should we have taught her to look out for that?
WTF? Clearly I wasn’t referring to those cases. Did you honestly think I was? Or are you pretending to misunderstand an argument because you don’t like it? Fess up.
It would be better to raise children to pick their friends more wisely.
Just cherrypicking what you want to hear, eh? It’s okay. I see it all the time and don’t expect more from you people at this point.
Goodbye.
and don’t expect more from you people at this point.
Who are ‘you people’ in this scenario? People saying don’t victim blame people who were sexually assault?
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Since the day satire died November 6, 2016 The Beaverton has become a trusted news site.
Wearing a visible religious symbol while working for the public sector
This has nothing to do with conservatism, it’s about secularism, go to Turkey you’ll see the same thing, France too, it does not come from conservatives.
Secularism isn’t about hiding religion, it’s about making it not matter.
And you’ll recall that the laws in Quebec around this carved out exemptions for certain religious and cultural signifiers.
That isn’t secularism.
In my country we allow everyone to wear whatever religious symbols, clothes, knives in public service workplaces since those things don’t affect how they do their work, though telling them they may not have those things will push them out of the jobs, or make them upset and less productive if they don’t leave
I see bans on religious symbols in the workplace as an attempt to reduce the number of people who value those symbols in those workplaces
No, you see, it either comes from a liberal or a conservative.
There is no in-between, outliers, or overlap.
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laughscries in Floridian]The Beaverton isn’t satire, it’s propaganda, and not even subtle bout it.
