What happens in November is up to Biden – it will not be the fault of the protest voter if Trump is elected. The questions remain: does the Democratic party fear Trump as much as we do? And does it value its voters enough to shift away from an approach to the onslaught in Gaza that a majority of Democratic voters are against?
I’m just tryna vote for the lesser, by far, of two evils. It’s a fucking binary system, you can stomp your feet all you want and still get a genocide and possibly much worse, or you can at least preserve hope for a better future.
Lesser of two evils works when we’re talking about blocking universal healthcare or police reform. When you use that bullshit to justify pulling the lever for genocide, you just don’t care that much about genocide.
And when you use that justification to enable someone who’s going to increase support of that genocide what does that make you? Sure sounds like you’re supporting more genocide than a Biden voter is.
It’s like people forgot how many Americans died during the height of the pandemic because T**** is a fucking idiot.
Anyone who is even remotely near the crosshairs of the Christofascists needs to pull their head out of their ass and vote Democrat this election.
The Republicunts don’t care if you think “both sides are bad” if you’re LGBTQ+, atheist, non-Christian, think abortion should be freely available, etc.
Ideals and principles don’t stop bullets or beatings.
Hey, how about you just work with us this time and then here in four years we will pretend to care about what you wanna do.
That seems to be the Democrat playbook anymore
Run for something locally.
Do something about it.
Oh suck rocks. There’s one party that does try to pass legislation that helps people, that is better for the environment, better allocations of spending priorities, and generally aren’t fucking cartoon villains.
And it ain’t the Republicans.
Being mad that things weren’t done the way we Think They Should Be™ and dismissing the realization that geopolitics is an extremely complex system is childish. Throwing temper tantrums, threatening to take your toys and go home because you didn’t get your way is childish.
There are many factions to appease in the US electorate, particularly on the left. And while I personally feel like Israel should have been cut off decades ago which may have saved hundreds of thousands of lives, there are a lot more who feel differently. Am I going to hold that against the group that aligns with the majority of my aspirations even if they are stymied by christofacists at every turn? FUCK NO.
If there are so many of them compared to us, then why are you worried?
My guy, do you understand how margins work?!
My guy, do you not understand that human lives are more important than anything else he can do?
He disregards that, and I’m ok with not being on team “Okay with killing children to get the other things we want.”
That is your team
Which is exactly why you shouldn’t be just tuning in every 4 years. Local elections, primaries, etc. People only pay attention every 4 years. That’s part of the reason why we’re here.
I know the names, office locations, and names of the assistants of my congressional representatives, do you?
Sounds like you’re perfectly capable of understanding how participation is beneficial. Maybe you could advocate more people participate and the resulting benefits vs cynical bullshit designed to turn people off entirely?
Look at those goalposts fly!
Tried that.
Remember, behind every cynic is a crushed optimist
You’re not wrong, but it beats the GOP’s playbook, and it’ll buy us some time to do the actual work of building a viable third party that might have a chance after 20 years of constant support from local elections on up.
Not voting sends no message other than you’re fine with how things are so you can’t be bothered. Threatening a comfy 2-party system with a solid alternative will make them sweat.
You’re standing in a room with two levers. If you pull the left one, five people die. If you pull the right one, ten people die. If you don’t pull one, it’s random, either five or ten people die.
So if you choose not to pull, and ten people die, would you feel guilty for the five additional people? You could have prevented their deaths.
Don’t bother. Those kind of ppl never accept responsibility for their actions so the trolley problem is irrelevant to them.
They’re just virtue signalling to reduce Biden s support.
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Ooh, I love thought experiments! You’re in an auditorium. There are three stages. On one stage, a man is guilotining one child every ten minutes. He cries into his handkerchief. On another stage, a man is gleefully guilotining one child every ten minutes and periodically kicking a dog. Both men get loud applause from different sides of the auditorium. On the third stage, almost completely unnoticed by the crowd, Jill Stein juggles bowling pins while tossing candy to kids. A vote will be taken to see who stays on stage.
You’re really saying Trump won’t (as he has very specifically said he want to) help Israel kill even more people?
Or hell, even kill Americans? He’s floated that idea multiple times too.
You’re using a lot of words to cover up your central premise: when it comes to death, Biden and Trump are equally bad.
Which is how I know you’re a fucking shill.
The train is barreling down a track with five people tied to the rails. It crushes them. You hear the screams and watch the blood spurt and then dribble. Ahead are another group of five people on the rails. You can let the train continue on its murderous path, throw a switch that will shift it onto a different track but cause another train to run over the people, or you can go call 911 because the people are going to be crushed no matter what.
It’s reaaaaaaaaaaaaaally simple:
Voting Biden in gives us time to take all this energy we’re mustering up and using it to promote broader, more significant changes. We don’t stop at the election and instead use the next four years to push toward a better tomorrow.
Too many people are stopping at Trump v. Biden. Too many more are stopping at Them v “The System”.
Change takes time. When you vote for Biden, you vote to reset the clock, and then it’s time for all of us to get to work.
Can you explain how you expect to push for a better tomorrow after Biden is re-elected?
The reason I am reluctant to vote for Biden is that he is supporting genocide. If Biden continues to give away large quantities of child-exploding bombs, and he is still rewarded with reelection, then what leverage will the anti-genocide movement have left?
It seems like if Biden can ignore the anti-genocide movement and still win, then we can expect Biden to keep ignoring for 4 more years.
Tell me: What do you expect Trump to do?
I expect Trump to continue being a boogeyman so people like you can keep saying this instead of working for any real change that makes people’s lives better. ‘Just push Biden left’ turned into ‘Well you have no other choice’ real quick.
You don’t think Trump is harmful?
Where did I say that? Putins using Ukrainian Nazis as his boogeyman, do you think that implies Nazis aren’t harmful too? Bibi is using Hamas as his, same question.
Ok so you’ve admitted you think trump is worse and you only have 2 choices cuz fptp voting.
I expect Trump to do horrible things. I expect Trump to be worse than Biden.
What does that have to do with my questions?
It has everything to do with your question. Biden has already proven he is willing to roll over on many issues. Biden has gotten a lot done these last four years, far more than most of us expected. Meanwhile, and I am NOT downplaying the severity of the genocide, people like you are using that in exactly the same way you accuse people like me of using Trump. Thing is your reluctance to help Biden get into office, and acknowledgement of the likely atrocities Trump would attempt, does you no favors. You can’t see past your own anger to the bigger picture, and it’s a damn shame. Because where Biden buys us time to continue coming together and push for change, Trump will attempt to lock us, and the very many minorities, LGPTQ+ communities, and any person not white and certainly anyone who stands against him, possibly and quite literally behind bars. He is so damned bad that the ENTIRE WORLD was pushing back against his Presidency and are terrified of him winning again. Except Russia.
Either we step the fuck up and stop being bitches and work together for a change over the next few years, or all this shit, every single part of it, will occur again in 2028. Including, as happens nearly every god damn fucking time, a serious situation that splits our attention and our support while the Right looks on and smirks. Every. Time. And we keep falling for it because we care.
I’m not angry, I was asking an honest question that no one has answered yet: how?
You say you take the genocide seriously, and you say electing Biden is buying us time to push for change, so answer my question then:
How will we effectively push the Biden administration to change Gaza policy after he is re-elected?
Not just Gaza. You’re stuck. Broader change. Biden is already showing he is willing to make changes and roll over on many issues. So we do what has always worked: We stand as a united voice. We come together to vote in more progressive local and State representatives while also collectively looking Biden in the eye and saying what we want.
None of this “If you won’t then I won’t.” bullshit. Literally one issue at a time.
The reason I’m angry is because this is actually incredibly simple. We live in an age where we can organize so god. damned. easily. Yet we keep finding ourselves at each other’s throats. Gaza IS a situation that is causing us to split. Yet not reelecting Biden is the wrong way to go right now because we don’t have a reasonable alternative. Not this time. This time it is truly binary.
So take that energy and carry it past the election and into further elections and further actions. Elevate our voice. We can still make that difference, though I feel we are slowly running out of time courtesy of the Republican party’s actions, and our own party’s inability to come to consensus. Both inside and outside the Chamber. Say what you will about Republicans: When it comes time to act, they often do so single-mindedly, even if it hurts them too.
Because that is literally the entire campaign for the DNC: “but what about Trump!”.
They love Trump because he’s the ultimate boogeyman to strong-arm voters to fall into line.
Tell me: What do you expect democrats to do when they can just point to the next election and claim that democrats are owed votes for not being the other guy? Do you honestly think democrats will listen to voters? They’re already not listening when the vote matters most.
Make the next four years matter so they can’t do that.
I wish the democrats would make the four years matter. Somehow obama made little difference in eight years while trump drove us to the edge of armageddon in only four. So far biden doesn’t inspire much confidence.
The Right tends to come together against something. The rest of us banter and point fingers at one another. Bluntly speaking, I’m disappointed with the majority of people who aren’t on the right. We quite literally need to shut up, stop arguing constantly, and work together, while collectively standing in voice and action.
Exactly. If Trump wins, he will outright BAN the Democratic Party, at worst. We will all either be Republicans, or we will be prisoners. And if that happens, the only group with the means to oppose him and the GOP Fascists is gone. And yes, the DNC absolutely has the means. They have all the tools they need. Now, I will admit that they lack the will to use those tools, but if Trump wins they’ll never get the chance to use them.
Same but in the mean time I’m going to continue to donate and help push for progressives and those who keep fighting to get rid of the bullshit first past the post voting system and electoral college bullshit.
Hope for whom? A better future for whom? If personal selfishness outweighs the value of humanity, then we’ve already lost, and the outcome of the election is irrelevant.
for whom?
The gay and trans people who won’t get murdered? The women who won’t die in abortive childbirth?
Are there not gay and trans people in Palestine right now? Or is it only American LGBTQIA 🏳️🌈 folks that matter?
You’re arguing in bad faith. Everyone should know this guy.is a false flag right wing nutbag.
CHECK HIS POST HISTORY HE DOESNT ARGUE IN GOOD FAITH
That’s a Thought-terminating cliché.
It’s entirely possible that there are multiple points of view concerning this conflict and the upcoming election. Please, look at my post history, it might be inciteful.
Please, look at my post history, it might be inciteful.
What a Freudian slip lol
Uh oh are we throwing a tantrum bc someone doesn’t agree with you? Grow up cx
Also Idk if Guy Levi has anything to do with this, it’s prob best you leave him be 🌸
Haha are you … serious? You know what Palestinians do to gay people, right? Right?
Is it worse than a genocide?
Yes.
How?
Glad to see the goldfish memory of voters who missed what happened the last 4 times this has happened. I’m sure it’ll fix it this time and isn’t just a recurring right-wing strategy to alienate voters on the left with propaganda.
They can’t remember further back than the last media cycle, and the can’t think forward further than a week.
I guarantee at least some, likely all of these people were fucking pissed about the death of Roe. They learned nothing. Absolutely nothing.
You know what’s worse than denial of the right to choose? Genocide. That’s what we got for electing Joe Biden last time. Fool me once, etc, etc.
… completely ignoring the only other option was “even more genocide than that”. We didn’t get genocide because we elected Joe Biden. We got genocide because right wingers in Israel want to conduct a genocide. Removing Biden from the equation and replacing him with Trump does not improve the situation. Doing that would be the actual foolish move.
So why not just say “I will not run for reelection, I have too much controversy, let’s run someone else.”?
Instead they are just barreling on with this motherfucker.
Edit: To to too.
Because the incumbency advantage is incredibly powerful, Biden has beaten Trump before, and no other viable Democrats have indicated they want to run this election. I too would prefer someone else but it’s not like Biden there aren’t solid strategic reasons to run him again.
If Biden steps down then the dnc won’t be holding everyone else from stepping up.
Or maybe he could just STOP SENDING BOMBS and we would have much less of an issue.
If it’s too much trouble to get enough Americans to decide that we should stop sending bombs to kill kids then we deserve what we get
Ah… the: “I’ve chosen this hill for everyone to die on” gambit.
Thinking like a child. May age bring you wisdom and peace.
We got genocide because Biden refuses to hold Israel accountable for its actions like even Ronald Reagan did. Don’t pretend that he doesn’t have blood on his hands.
You keep ignoring the fact that Trump would be worse and it makes you look like a shill
“Serial killers get to kill multiple people, why can’t I kill just one person?!”
You have the intellect of a 14 year old.
it will not be the fault of the protest voter if Trump is elected. The questions remain: does the Democratic party fear Trump as much as we do?
If you fear him, why would you not assist in preventing his rise?
If you give a shit about Palestine, why would you not support the better candidate for them? You think Trump will do anything to make this situation better?
The logical fallacy at play here is so glaring I can’t believe these journalists are willing to put their name to it.
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Biden somewhat dances around the idea of helping Palestinians, while Trump avoids referring to them as people. Both are terrible by any metric, but one is miles ahead.
He doesn’t get the comparison. Spell it out in simple terms 😆
Words don’t mean squat. Actions are what matters, and the actions would be the same.
I agree, at least one of of them is honest about what they want
If you honestly believe it would be the same:
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I’d get banned for telling you what I really think.
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That particular issue zeros out and Democrats are still better on literally every other issue.
If genocide costs the Dems the election, they will be forced to reevaluate their relationship with Israel, and they will think twice before doing something else similarly morally outrageous in the future. We need the Democratic Party to stand for human decency or this country is irredeemable because the Republicans certainly won’t. We must discipline the party, and if it doesn’t learn the lesson, it needs to be destroyed and replaced.
When a government outspends every other military in the world by a factor of 3, it’s crucial that it have a conscience. Dissent voters are that conscience.
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Ah ok, here is the mask off comment. You guys are so bad as cosplaying.
I agree
Oops, you gave away the game that you’re a Trump stan. Try again with anther alt.
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Are you fucking retarded? Trump amped this up by moving the capital of Israel to Jerusalem.
Jesus Christ get a fucking clue.
If Trump is elected Palestine is leveled.
He literally said he’d “finish the job”
If Trump is electedPalestine is leveled.Fixed that for you
They’re being leveled now, soooo, what really changes? Tbh I’m not even convinced biden will make it stop in his second term, it’ll be back to business as usual.
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Fair enough, but I think we’re borderline splitting hairs.
A delusion is a belief held with strong conviction despite superior evidence to the contrary.
The word can be used in mental health contexts, but it’s in common usage as a synonym for “profoundly mistaken.” I can see the argument for calling it ableist, but it’s tenuous.
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I’m genuinely stumped then. Do you mind explaining?
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Oh! I think you accidently removed the parent comment instead. I can still see the offending comment here:
Meanwhile, my app shows this:
I was actually one of the people who reported that comment.
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Hello! I was curious, was this post going to be restored and the actual reported uncivil comment removed? From what I’m seeing, this reported comment is still up and active.
If we’re talking countries that are being attacked without cause, should we talk about how Trump doesn’t want to support Ukraine’s defense? You literally only care about one issue, don’t you? This whole election is riding on one point in a thousand possible issues to consider.
I care about 15,000 issues. Each one an innocent child murdered with American bombs.
You’re out to sea if you think it would be any better under Trump. It would be the same. Palestine is fucked, but we don’t have to let Dems get away with genocide with zero consequences.
I mean… If your goal is to end a genocide and you help get a guy who said “finish the job” elected, yeah, it is your fault.
Let us not pretend otherwise.
Uncommitted votes don’t help Trump. You know this, you’re just too much of a pussy to say you wanna murder more Palestinians
Wow, that is an incredibly unhinged thing to say to somebody.
I think if you are taking it on yourself to be a steward of the Palestinian people, you have to act respectable.
You get to talk about respectability when you stop supporting genocide. If you don’t support genocide, why oppose voting uncommitted?
Let me know when your behavior has helped a single Palestinian person.
Cool, you do support genocide. Have a shit life asshole💖
Free palestine 🇵🇸
You need psychiatry.
Why oppose voting uncommitted other than because you support genocide? Legit give me one reason in the entire world to oppose voting uncommitted other than because you want to send the message to Biden that Palestinian genocide doesn’t matter/is good
Why behave this way towards other people unless you support genocide?
You aren’t doing a damn thing to help Palestinians, you are just treating random people terribly and feeling good about yourself because of it.
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Hey look, it’s a liberal genocide supporter deflecting rather than owning their shit views!
Why bother being quiet about it? Why not say it? Or deny it if it’s not the case? Because you know that everyone else will know you’re a piece of shit if you’re too honest about it. Fuck off zionist, know that you’re not at all sly about how much you love dead Palestinian children
Honest question, has speaking respectfully and calmly helped a single Palestinian person? It’s not like the US was listening until the uncommitted votes and the college protests.
Which specific real world protestors are acting as unhinged as this person was? From what I have seen, this behavior is exclusively among online communists, not actual pro-palestine protestors.
Which specific real world protests were speaking calm and respectfully instead of speaking emotionally and attention getting?
You have literally painted yourself into a self-destructive corner with your moronic strawman.
What other reason is there to not vote uncommitted? These are democratic primaries, trump gets nothing here. Give me one good reason not to take this free opportunity to let biden know genocide isn’t ok
First past the post voting, two party system means that mathematically, you are placing half a vote on Biden and half a vote on Trump by abstaining democracy doesn’t exist in the United States. Sorry you had to learn it this way. It’s also on its way out over here in Canada, don’t worry we’re catching up :(
Alternatively you could vote for whoever has the best platform LOCALLY in YOUR country, whoever that may be, and send angry letters letting them know that while you support some of their policies, you are uncomfortable with the president’s lack of support for a cause you consider just.
You get the choice of less murder or more murder, and your choice is “eh, doesn’t matter to me”.
You really don’t get the concept of a primary do you? xD
Primarying an incumbent is the surest way to fail…c’mon man that’s poly sci 101
Are you trying to be laughed at cuz you’re being laughed at.
How can that lead to failure? He’s literally the incumbent, there’s basically no chance of him losing, and if he does that’s a clear sign someone else would have more support. Tf is your point? Rhetorical question, I know your point: you want more Palestinians to die but you’re too smart to say it out loud. Vote uncommitted motherfucker, there’s no reason not to other than to be complicit in genocide
They do actually. Jesus get a brain. Or take 5 min and research fptp voting
Source?
Are you talking about the time Trump said the genocide is a bad look? Trump might not have a moral conscience, but at least he is has a political self-preservation instinct. Biden is blind-walking over a cliff in his genocidal determination.
As evidence that much of the movement is an explicit AstroTurf for the Trump campaign, I present article 1: this statement from a man named Juicy.
you are either a bot account or really stupid lol
What happens in November is up to Biden – it will not be the fault of the protest voter if Trump is elected.
If Trump is elected, I will blame both Biden AND the protest voter.
But not the people who chose someone supporting genocidal actions instead of the people demanding better.
It’s this simple, if all of y’all who spend your time trying to convince those of us who don’t want to support sending Israel all the weaponry they want, while defending them against the consequences of their own actions, while using our money to do so, and having Israel use $13b a year of our money to do so, would instead work with us, we could actually make a change:
And if at the end of the day that causes us to lose, it means that America is full of people who support this and they should get their way.
At least we find out where we really stand.
You guys spend all day trying to drag us to the side of “ Okay with sending bombs to kill more children.”, maybe you could drag people to the side of “Let’s not send more bombs to kill kids:”
I know which side I am staying on, and if we get outvoted, such is democracy.
People demanding better is not a side, and thus cannot win. The let’s not bomb kids side has zero power. Your choice is between bombing kids and bombing more kids. Enabling the bombing more kids side means your fake morals outweigh the sloppy real-world political situation that actually exists.
Your house is on fire. You are standing equidistant from a full petrol can and a bucket of water, and you’re deciding not to act because neither is the perfect solution.
Or work with us to pick a different candidate.
Make clear we won’t stand for him and that their only option is to run a new candidate.
As long as you keep giving them what they want, they won’t change
Name one candidate with the name recognition to win who has also expressed an interest in running in 2024.
Ah, there’s the rub isn’t it, they wont run another candidate because everyone is supposed to just fall I. Line.
Run Whitmer, she did great things in WI
And conspiracy theories, like it always boils down to. “They” lol.
Whitmer would be sending aid to Israel. Every politician would.
Then we pick someone who wouldn’t.
Would it be difficult? Yes
Would it have a chance to fail? Yes
Would the stakes be high? Yes
Would it be the most American fucking thing to do, to stand up for what is right instead of easy, to protect those who need it most, to take the tired, the poor, the huddled masses yearning to breathe free, and to stand shield for them? Yes
Fuck Nationalism in all its evilness, instead let’s be what we said we would be and start fucking actually working towards it.
Let’s live up to that, instead of aiming for mediocrity.
America is at its best when it’s the underdog.
In the short term, your position is justifiable. But in the long term, it’s anti-democratic. The reasoning you’ve provided here has been used for many elections in the past and can be used forever into the future. But if we’re forced to choose between two bad parties, and there’s never a chance of a third party accomplishing anything good, then nobody will ever represent us.
And if we’re stuck in a non-democracy forever, then it makes sense for people to pursue other more radical solutions. Is that what you want? It’s the natural implication of your message.
Okay, whatever, while you’re planning your grand revolution thing can you please for fucks sake vote for the option that kills fewer kids?
Your desire to support the two-party system above all else is what leads to alienation, on the right and on the left. It’s you who is pushing the country towards a grand revolution, not me.
The two party system is, it doesn’t need my support and your abstaining from participation will not harm it. The two party system will chug merrily along until Republicans end democracy.
Your comments are contradictory. First you say I should vote, and then you say it’s pointless. Meh.
If you would otherwise vote for donald; go ahead and do the protest vote.
yeah thats what we are saying.
and if both options mean genocide (or one is only less bad about it, whatever that means) them its time to reconsider if you truly live in a democracy
US democracy is weak. With first past the post voting, a two party system is inevitable. But not voting Biden because he is “genocidal” is the dumbest excuse ever.
Fight to change the voting system, but don’t fight it by getting a literal fascist elected. Because that’s what you are responsible for if you don’t vote.
What’s dumb is putting “genocidal” in scare quotes and acting like genocide is not actually that big of a deal. I won’t vote for Biden or Trump because I value my vote too much to give it to an evil scumbag, red or blue. I’ll vote for Jill Stein or Cornel West.
So Trump it is then. Good look with your genocide then.
You do realize genocide is a fait accompli.
Wrong
“Fake news.” – used to negate the sources of an argument, often while providing alternate or misleading information to push an individual’s own interpretation of a subject; popularized by politicians in the US in 2016.
Look, the humanitarian situation in Gaza is indisputably horrible and it’s absolutely the fault of Israel’s government. It may very well be genocide. International investigations will show.
Right now, it’s a war zone and it’s very hard to gather reliable evidence. That’s why I put it in quotes.Not voting for Biden on this single issue is insane. It directly benefits Trump who, other than Biden, won’t try to ease the situation. He will actively make the conflict worse. He’ll also do his best to dismantle what is left of US democracy and worsen the lives of millions of people.
Fight for a better voting system. Protest against Biden’s foreign policy. But please don’t throw away your vote and give the world another term of Trump.
I guess if you live in an already decided stronghold state then go vote for whatever you want. Otherwise, don’t let a fantasy get in the way of the only obvious option if you like democracy.
Otherwise, don’t let a fantasy get in the way of the only obvious option if you like
democracygenocide.
How will stein or West get past 270?
They can’t
Congrats you’re still helping trump.
Logic really isn’t your strong suit is it?
You could equally argue I’m helping Biden by not voting for Trump. So tell me Professor Logic, what does it mean if the same reasoning can be used to argue that I’m helping both Biden and Trump?
So which is it? Jill Stein or Cornel West? You can’t vote for both and I suspect that if you were being sincere you would know.
The most salient fact for me is that they are both against genocide, so no, I don’t know. I might flip a coin. I could even vote for De La Cruz. I guess I’m just a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma!
I’m voting for Biden. Harm reduction as the article said. But, I have a much better understanding of why people would protest vote after reading the article.
And if Trump wins 2024, we can’t put all of the blame on protest voters, when Democrats aren’t listening to their base.
No it’s going to be their fault. If we lose Social Security, Medicare, public schooling, basically every social safety net, any regulatory power the government has, and a right to free and fair elections then that will absolutely be on them. They’ve said that those things don’t matter to them in this scenario. If you’re for the destruction of all that then fuck you. It’s pretty simple.
It won’t be the protest voters fault of Trump is elected but it would be something they could have prevented. Four more years of radical conservative judge appointments would create generations of degradation of women and minority group rights.
If that happens, protest voters could have prevented it, the DNC could have prevented it, Biden himself could have prevented it, all of the state governors and state legislators who didn’t fix gerrymandering and voter suppression efforts could have prevented it. You and I could have prevented it if we had gone door-to-door to get more people to the polling places. And so on.
It’s easy to say that any one group could have prevented it, but how do you choose who to target when doing so?
So then protest voters are just wasting time by not voting since their protest doesn’t matter?
So then protest voters are just wasting time by not voting since their protest doesn’t matter?
Protest voters actually do vote. By definition.
Anyone against voting uncommitted supports genocide, plain and simple. There’s no other explanation, Biden doesn’t even lose anything from those votes, it just let’s him know that his base is pissed about him supporting genocide. Vote uncommitted or for a less zionist candidate, if you don’t or you’re against this then your position on Gaza is clear. What other reason would there be to oppose that?
Biden is the less zionist candidate.
Primaries. This is about primaries. There’s other dems running that’s aren’t as zionist, you should vote for them or uncommitted
Biden isn’t getting primaried you absolute doughnut…no this is not at all about primaries.
Your can’t vote uncommitted in generals, only primaries. You literally have no idea what you’re talking about cx why tf why don’t you quit while you’re only a few hundred miles behind
They are delusional and claiming it’s someone else’s fault if Trump is elected is the pinnacle of idiocy.
You’re talking to Biden supporters, right? Right?
You know they aren’t. They don’t see the irony, and they certainly don’t feel any personal responsibility.
Derp
You’re absolutely right.
Anyone who is more willing to work with someone who is ok with supporting the people who killed 10’s of thousands of innocent people, rather than someone who isn’t is a complete fucking moron and deserves whatever we get if trump gets elected.
FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA 🇵🇸💕
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Neither “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free.” nor anything close to that occurs anywhere in the document you linked.
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If you vote blue or left no matter what then you minimize your reach and power. When the elected officials have to work for your vote is when your vote matters. Biden or trump palestine issue isnt gonna change just like foreign policy hasnt changed blue or red. At the very least youd punish biden and set precedence moving forward. We clearly also need reform so we dont end up with two terrible human beings.
Sure, Genocide with Trump is clearly the better choice
Or you can vote for someone like Jill Stein or Cornel West who isn’t genocidal.
Yeah like I said, Genocide with Trump
Welcome to Dumbass City, population: everyone itt saying that not voting biden in the primaries will somehow get trump elected xD yall are legit just as stupid as trump supporters, you straight up have no idea how primaries work but you’re too proud and too blindly, unshakably loyal to admit it cx vote uncommitted or vote for genocide, those are your options and you’ve made your opinions very clear on the matter. Have a shit day! Hope you trip and fall into a thorny bush :3
Democrats demand party unity but will unify only to the center while the republicans keep moving the center further to the right. They like to claim that the left is doing purity testing, but democrats are the biggest purity testers, where you have to do things their way or they say you’re being unreasonable and unrealistic and they will probably label you a republican in secret or a russian asset for daring to hold a different opinion.
