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Not surprising. They archive information that powerful people would rather we forget.
Not surprising. They archive information that powerful people would rather
we forgetmonetise.FTFY
It’s both. I’m sure Puff Daddy, and R Kelly would rather we forget all the horrible things they’ve done rather than make money off of it. At the same time the NYTimes and the Atlantic would love to make money off their articles about those two people.
So we’re accusing P.Diddy and R. Kelley of DDOSing the Internet Archive, then?
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Nobody is denying it I noticed.
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I wasn’t being literal but go right ahead.
Then wtf does it have to do with anything related to the IA
You’re either a troll or a dipshit. They introduced an example where both interests of removing information from the public forum and having the monopoly of reporting on that information work to undermine archiving. It is important for the truth and for public trust that we support Internet Archive and other archivists/historians.
They introduced an example of whay P.Diddy has to do with anything?
That literally has nothing to do with archive.org
Archive.com is not archive.org.
Fixt
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Half a dozen people have accused him of sexual assault.
He assaulted a singer named Cassie.
Addition to what others have stated. He is in trouble for more than just one woman. There are many claiming, but Cassie was the first (I think) that accused him and got paid to not say anything. That made his civil suit with her go away, but the feds built up a case and busted on human trafficking amongst other things. His old employee has a bunch of recordings of illegal stuff.
i actually doubt that. i bet of they could make money off of it woth no repercussions they would not give a single fuck.
Exactly. We’re allowed to know based on what we can afford to know.
I doubt this has to do with “powerful people”. A DDOS attack does not remove anything from the net, but only makes it temporarily hard to reach.
There are firms that specialize in suppressing information on the net. They use SEO tricks to get sites down-ranked, as well as (potentially fraudulent) copyright and GDPR request.
There must be any number of “little guys” who hate the Internet Archive. They scrape copyrighted stuff and personal data “without consent” and even disregard robots.txt. Lemmy is full of people who think that people should go to jail for that sort of thing.
Lots of grand conspiracy theories in this thread when, in the end, it’s probably some bored script kiddy
I doubt it. I’d sooner think it’s a corporation or state actor.
How does taking the website down for a few hours help those people? Especially a state actor? If it was the US government or someone like them wouldn’t they do something more permanent? Actually wipe the website?
Some news source released something that got redacted based on government pressure. Archive made a snapshot of the news source. Now the state actor goes after the Archive to prevent time sensitive information from spreading. They benefit from the information not being widely available immediately.
Oh…so what got released today?
How would I know? The news source retracted their statement and archive.org is down…
Israel attacking Palestine again possibly
What does knocking the website offline for a few hours do for their war?
OwN tEh LiBs !!!
Who knows, how in The world would I know
Aliens or illuminati, for sure.
Is it still something you can do to big sites the way people did back in the 2000’s?
Yep but usually the worst case scenario is a few hours of downtime.
Oh that’s true. I’ve seen a lot of cancel/call-out documents archived on IA, some of which were directed at children or had false accusations on them. It would be funny but not that surprising if all of this was over obscure Twitter drama.
That’s one of the problems with archiving everything. I lean in favor of the IA, but there are still issues.
Can you elaborate on the last part?
TBH I can understand that it’s a problem for people who aren’t expecting it. If they disregard instructions not to index things then that’s also a problem. The only real way to prevent scrapers from replicating content is to place it behind a registration wall.
Does this answer the question?
Yeah man, THEY want to take down the information so they can control it, man…
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And THEY are attacking the IA to prevent it…? Otherwise what does it have to do with anything here?
I was briefly able to get to https://archive.org/donate - I’m going to kick them a few bucks and recommend anyone else who can afford to also do so.
There’s also this, copied verbatim from the site:
Other ways to donate Mail your donation to: Internet Archive C/O Philanthropy Department 300 Funston Avenue San Francisco, CA 94118-2116
In order to ensure you receive an acknowledgement of your gift as quickly as possible, please include an email address with your mailed donation. We regret that we cannot accept cash or check donations in currencies other than USD.
Stock or Wire Transfer: If you would like to make a stock or wire transfer gift, please contact us at [email protected]
I say we go full Streisand effect on whatever dickhead is trying to censor them.
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Reddit used to show downvotes, sort by controversial, and hide by variable net downvote totals.
Then someone in admin decided it wasn’t good for business, so all the features got phased out.
Reddit has stopped being a good guy a long time ago.
RIP Aaron Swartz
I want to live in a world where he lived and guys like Spez “killed themselves”
Boost doesn’t do this sadly
Unless it’s a setting I missed, same with Voyager.
Edit: I am as dumb as a bag of rocks. Couple comments down the chain and someone pointed out it’s a feature on Voyager.
I’m not seeing it in Sync for Lemmy either
Which client? Voyager doesn’t show this AFAIK
Settings > Appearance > Other (at the bottom) > Display Votes
Omg thank you!
It’s in the settings.
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Reddit also has vote fuzzing where you can get the number of votes, but it’s always manipulated for some reason.
I don’t understand the point, and tbh it’s a serious case of social media mind fuckery. It’s a real problem for anyone who creates an incredibly specific subreddit for use by a group and then everyone is left wondering who keeps downvoting them. That can have real life consequences for anyone who doesn’t understand what is happening.
@dogsnest Thanks for the heads up.
OP thanks for posting this.
Donated what little I could. Free access to information is absolutely one of the most important things we as a collective can support.
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Nobody (worth caring about) would look down on you for not being in a situation to donate.
Besides, there are lots of ways to help that don’t cost money, like telling people who do have money that they can donate to the internet archive. Equally valid effort.
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What kind of dick smack attacks the internet archive!!!
People that dont want their history revealed
No idea. Hope not
The same people that harass librarians and burn books en masse, is my first guess.
Gimme an M !!!
“M” !!!
Gimme an A !!!
A !!!
Gimme a G !!
G
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Magneto!
Magneto could just erase all the magnetic hard drives.
And “Bingo” was his name!
I read this fully in Ace Ventura 2 intonation.
Copyright holders.
Why out of all sites why internet archive
Someone wanted to erase history.
Luckily non of the data was deleted
It might be that someone wanted to change something that was on a website before the archive could get to it too.
That’s a ridiculous amount of effort to go through to slow down a scraper for one site, especially when that site could just be… turned off.
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Then it still makes no sense, as you being unable to take down the content means you also very likely can’t edit the content. I can’t think of a situation where you:
- Need content to not be scraped
- Need time to remove/edit that content
- Have access to do the above
- Don’t have access to pull the content immediately
- Have control of a large enough botnet to take down Internet Archive
- Don’t have a big enough botnet to take down the aforementioned content
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On an individual level, having a massive archive of everything you’ve ever posted isn’t always a good thing, especially when mentally ill people will quote mine a single post and then try to misuse it.
Modification of history is one of the most common tools of dictators
But they have back up to the entire thing am pretty sure any change would be detectable if a dictator is behind this then he’s extremely stupid
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I thought there back online was there any update on the issue?
They’re storing proof of my fuck up which I fixed but if anyone looks it up I’m cooked
Let’s hear it.
There
I very rarely go to the internet archive, but the moment I needed to get a safe copy of very old software, shitty people decided to DDOS it. shitty humans. find better hobbies losers
I read “find better hobbies” as find better horsies
I was wondering what was going on. The Internet Archive is an incredibly important asset beyond archiving websites because it has things like the Prelinger Collection, which is the largest archive of industrial, educational and other ephemeral films, which would be only accessible via commercial sites like YouTube otherwise.
And that’s really the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the audio, video and texts available.
I hope this gets resolved soon.
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Me before I disabled the super-sensitive side gestures on mobile.
Oh wait you can do that? Damn I feel like an idiot now… I have 100% accidentally downvoted without realizing it.
I just made both gestures an upvote lol
I set the downvote gesture to reply instead, which I’ll definitely notice if I do it by mistake.
I know right? It sucks having a curved screen with a case as it pushes my thumb in the exact worst spot on the side of the screen. I accidentally do things all the time. I rest my thumb on the case edge to try and avoid it, but if I barely tilt, it touches the oversensitive touchscreen. First world problems.
Sometimes people miss-tap while scrolling. Also, on kbin at least, you can who downvote things if they’re on kbin. I think if you run your own instance, as an admin you can see who as well?
This is definitely something that has to be thought about in terms of UI/UX design. I recently developed a Outlook calendar-esque interface, and we’ve had on-and-off discussions for a couple of hours about how we best implement a way to “click” an empty spot in the calendar to create an event there.
I’m championing “we don’t on mobile, but use double-click on desktop.” I think I’m winning.
I didn’t know know you could see who voted on kbin.
I just knew lemmy, mbin, and some others don’t get counted, so the troll down boats don’t matter.
If you click “more” and then “activity”, its listed in the “reduces” tab. Kbin only includes kbin downvotes though, which is why downvotes look so rare on kbin.
You can’t anymore.
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Due to how federation works, downvotes are actually somewhat public because instance owners can query them in lemmy database, though instance owners probably won’t tell you if you ask due to privacy reason. If you’re interested in something like this, you can run your own instance.
Yeah, it’s actually … a bit creepy.
Federated voting in general seems like it could use some rethinking to enable private voting but also to protect against vote manipulation. Right now the fediverse is arguably incredibly vulnerable to vote manipulation campaigns.
Open (and distributed) and private are two very difficult things to intermingle. You can mitigate some issues, but at the end of the day the two ideas have to butt against each other.
I hate to suggest it but I wonder if a blockchain would work here
Blockchains are the antithesis of anonymity. Pseudo anonymity isn’t anonymity, it just doesn’t scream your name out there from the get go.
What aspect of the points mentioned in the thread do you feel are addressed by blockchain?
Openly distributed while being private(-ish; I know blockchains aren’t truly private but it could at least obfuscate it adequately against casual or semi serious attempts to identify someone)
I’ll admit I’m no expert or even particularly well versed in blockchain technologies, but my (limited) understanding of them suggests this might actually be the kind of thing it’s good at (as opposed to how it could seemingly do anything a few years ago and everyone was trying to shoehorn a blockchain into their products)
And to underline part of my comment, I did say “I wonder if…” rather than asserting that it would work or even that I bet it would work
Fedi technologies are already distributed. That’s literally what federation is about.
Blockchain isn’t private by default although some have gone that direction. Bitcoin, for example, is pseudonymous - all transactions are public to the world though no tx is tied to an identity on chain.
Any privacy features you’re imagining can be built for a blockchain solution to this problem could be built into a “normal”, web 2.0, federated solution that would be far less expensive to run, resource-wise.
It’s almost always the case that when someone comes up with blockchain as the solution to some problem, they mean distributed or maybe self-hosted. Neither of which requires a blockchain.
Check out videos involving crypto on the Cartoon Avatar’s youtube channel such as this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xq721IAqBo&t.
It likely could, but it’s not trivial to implement.
Yeah, I’d imagine not, though I’m fairly confident any solution to this would be nontrivial
Fair point. Blockchain might be the quickest to implement just because the infrastructure is already established, even if it’s not trivial. Not sure, though.
I want the ability to see who down votes what but don’t want to have other people see that about me. Ha
I was wondering about this. If they didn’t keep track of who is voting, manipulation would be easier then it already is. The problem is that rogue instance admins could make votes public.
One possible answer is to allow anyone to see votes categorized by instance, so you know where they’re originating from.
Small/single user instances could be aggregated together/anonymized or maybe that’s just the price you pay for having a single user instance.
I think this is public information on some services. Not Lemmy, but other federated services.
The attack on the few remaining services that the “every person” openly benefits from is so disheartening.
Not the save structure for org, but this feeling made be remember The Consumerist in it’s heyday and when it was bought and silenced effectively… you know kids, the internet used to be a thing that actually helped and supported us without the ready acceptance of 51% “hallucinations” in information. It was actual people, in small, quiet corners, that didn’t demand subscriptions and micro transactions at every turn. It wasn’t that long ago.
Used to be, “the tragedy of the commons” didn’t quite so literally mean an attack on the common resources.
The Internet Archive is so important. The closest thing to a digital library.
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Would that even be possible? How would someone just scripting kidding around cause a major outage?
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IDK, blender.org got DDoS-ed for a while too. It seems like it would take a lot of resources for no possible benefit to anyone involved.
And I wondered why I couldn’t access the page 6 hours ago…
Why the fuck…
I’ll admit they have some powerful enemies, but I can’t imagine who specifically would be behind this. Maybe it’s not a conventional attack but some wealthy idiots trying to clone the archives to feed their dumb hobby.
That gave me a thought, could be a group trying to scrape some older content for use in feeding an llm since reddit was obviously a bad choice.
Would webcrawling look like a DDoS?
Heavy traffic is different from a DDoS, assuming the attacker is using standard DDoS techniques (refusing connection after confirmation from server)
So the recording industry thugs hired out a job. Not the first time.
Or Boeing. 😩
Donated!
Damn. I guess this is why we can’t have nice things.
I guess I’ll take this opportunity mention if one cannot make a monetary donation to IA. You can always help them out by help seed some of their torrents. I’d appreciate it at least :P
I tried to seed the torrents but I never found anything that needed seeds, most users download via browser
