It’s been difficult to broach the subject and explain the technical concepts to the average person. I did have some success in first sharing the email comparison, which lead into interoperability.
I’m just curious to hear people’s success stories, if you have any.
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I left Reddit because of their shenanigans. The Tiktok crowd deciding Reddit was cool was what guaranteed I would never go back. Now if anyone asks me if I use social media, I just say “No”.
Why would I tell them about “the fediverse”? Tell them that you use Lemmy or Mastodon or whatever. If they are interested then give them a link to a good instance. That’s it.
Definitely. People don’t care what’s behind. They just want an app or a website.
I send a fiend of mine image macros and shitposts from here
They’re like “WHERE DO YOU GET THESE MEMES”
I say “Lemmy, it’s like Reddit minus so much corpo garb”
They say “the fuck is a lemmy”
I send the link to voyager and say “all you gotta do is sign up on one of these places I think you’d like”
They’re still just on tiktok
I have tried
That’s all you can do 🤷♂️
Fair. I just find it interesting and want to share it. I should just let them decide on their own if it’s something they find interesting or not. I’ll try to remember to just give them an app recommend instead.
How likely are you to recommend Lemmy to a friend or colleague? Give a score from 1 to 10.
It really depends. I would only recommend lemmy if they’re a techy. If they’re highly integrated into mainstream social media then it would be a 7/10 recommend. If they want to find an alternative then 10/10 recommend.
- I never shut up about this stuff
I don’t tell people about the Fediverse.
The first rule of the Fediverse.
“It’s like email. You can have an account on Gmail and still send emails to Outlook”.
Edit: just saw that you mentioned email, so that’s usually the easiest analogy.
About success stories, I don’t have many, people I know IRL weren’t interested in Reddit, so Lemmy is the same.
This is literally how I explained it to somebody tonight actually.
How things went? Did you convince them successfully?
I was focused more on making them aware of it, rather than trying to get them to use it. Just socializing the idea. So it was a success! They are aware of it now, but they are not yet using it
Gotta send them more memes.
I just showed one of my friends the memes on it and they said tell me what this platform is
Nice, you won one.
Will you share your name with them? Did you communicate with irl people on the other place?
I’m not sure exactly what you meant here, but I probably wouldn’t tell most people who I am on here. That’s not to say I wouldn’t share in other places, it probably just depends on the platform really.
Hahaha there’s NO CHANCE I’d tell my friends I’m Rai here even if they already know I’ve got a grand in bad dragon dildos that I certainly don’t talk about here
I dont. Its honestly not great. I’d rather that effort went to preserving and repairing the existing tools of the free and open web – the old protocols are extensible. Imagine if we had an RSS client with a “reblog” feature!
“Federation” adds overhead and honestly creates as many problems as it solves. It’s not a selling point, its a price tag.
I like using a mall as a really basic analogy for the shared social space:
There are multiple entrances to the mall through various shops, but once you’re inside, you can go visit wherever you want.
That’s actually a great one.
I like that analogy, thanks
I likened it to a room with bidirectional portals yesterday - your analogy is much better, and has been stolen for future use.
I don’t. When people say, “Do you use r/?” I reply with, “I left it during the blackout.” That usually ends it.
It really annoys me how often I see major media others citing reddit these days. It seems it really ramped up after the IPO. It’s never anything good either. They’re just either outsourcing basic journalism or complaining that reddit is too negative.
complaining that reddit is too negative.
Isn’t that a good thing?
I’d rather people not engage with it at all.
TIFU by sex pooping my virgin boyfriend’s dog cum fart shit at a wedding also AITA
edit: crotchspawn
Why not tell them about Lemmy (or other alternatives) instead?
Most of my friends are fully entrenched in mainstream social media and i don’t think there’s much interest in doing something different. I have a couple of friends and family members who i think are probably here, but we don’t talk about it.
i don’t think there’s much interest in doing something different
See that’s the part that I don’t really get though. Why is it so difficult to break free? People always want to complain but never want to be part of the solution.
Interesting that you don’t talk about it. Is that just because you prefer to keep your identity here separate from real life, or some other reason(s)?
Most people i know don’t complain a lot about the other places. When i bring up the constant marketing and such, they mostly don’t care. When interacting with people you know on social media there’s an expectation that you follow them, post/respond appropriately, etc. It’s tiring. I would use a different account.
I have a couple of friends and family members who i think are probably here, but we don’t talk about it.
This. Same as it was on reddit back then too.
I just share posts/comments that others find useful
Do you have anything specific, or do you just mean in general?
I would say mostly general, and it also depends on context and relevance
- like I’d send FFXIV memes to my friends who play it but not to anyone else.
For things that people aren’t familiar with but is useful to know (like PC hardware) I tend to share fedi-links as sources/citations after providing context
EX:
- [Powercolor Hellhound RX 7900 XT], [Partner Model 4070 Ti] - Value Comparison
- [ZOTAC 4080 Super], [PowerColor’s Hellhound 7900 XT] - Value Comparison
I’m a nerd
Makes sense, thanks for elaborating. Nerd!
:P
I’m not a weirdo, so I don’t. My friends don’t have to buy into my version of wasting time
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Don’t talk about the high concept of federation, talk about the community that the different services offer.
The classic misstake is to oversell and miss the point that the other party is focusing on.
Don’t: “Lemmy is so awesome, it can’t be shut down, it is federated, you can even run your own instance and have total control”
What the other party hears: “Lemmy is awesome, and you have to do a lot of stuff to join.”
Do: “Hey, have you heard about Lemmy? It is a Reddit clone with a much calmer community, I have had a lot of interesting conversations over there”
This puts the focus on the community rather than the service, people join social networks for the interaction, not the tech.
Usually as loudly as possible while wildly gesticulating and showing huge quantities of bloodshot eyeball. Seems effective so far, will continue to report in.
I’m going to need to see some evidence.
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I usually save the frothing for people who I can tell are really interested, but don’t want to join up for some absurd reason. I don’t know why they would lie about their feelings like that, but a bit of shouting and frothing in a corner really gets them agreeable fast. Great technique!
What are these “people” to which you refer?
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I really don’t agree that it’s ‘just reddit with more steps…’
This place really feels different to me, and better. I like it here. Sorry you’ve been having mod troubles. I’ve not run into problems there, so can’t really relate.
That level you describe also exists – instances are self-policing their users, though it’s an admin thing, not a mod one (mods are for communities).
lemm.ee just posted some numbers for the year and after kbin.social, which seems to get many spam accounts, they’re mostly banning lemm.ee users for misbehaving. No great need to ban .world users because .world admins are keeping their own ship clean, “are your users a bother to me” is a big factor in federation politics.
OTOH not giving communities the ability to police themselves would leads to problems because the only way to deal with anything would be to choose the nuclear option: You might get heated in a discussion about your favourite comic book character and lash out, calling people names, but otherwise be perfectly reasonable, the mods temp-banning you from their community is the right approach, there, not making you switch instances, or depriving others of the furry porn you post to the same instance as the comic community is on, or whatnot.
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They can’t ban you from the whole platform it just so happens if some admin wants you gone chances are your home instance admin wants you gone, too.
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I’m not exactly sure but often the whole comment history is nuked so there’s really nothing left to migrate.
They already can’t do that
you can move your account though, there are buttons to export and import on your settings page
it won’t bring your post/comment history with you, but it will carry over your subscriptions and saved/bookmarked posts/comments
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would be cool but I don’t think the ActivityPub protocol allows that
it’s kind of outside of Lemmy’s control
personally I don’t care that much about post history or karma or whatever
“Reddit rapes us because they control it, not us. This is like that but we control it, not them, libre software. They can get fucked!”
Yes, literally, it works for me. Most people don’t give a shit beyond that, that’s all they need to join. But, start with a chat app first. Also, this is a replacement but they only need to add an app, not replace yet.
