These people who hate GIMP didn’t really practice with it all that much. I use for my day job, editing photos and making content for marketplaces. It works very well. The workflow may be different to PS, yes, but that does not make GIMP bad. Also, for those who hate the UI, two things. First, why don’t you help the dev team? And second, we’ll have GTK3 support soon (finally).
GIMP is bad. If the problem was simply that it was “different to PS” then other apps like Krita and Affinity Photo would have the same reputation.
If a user goes looking for a tool or feature and it’s not in the first place they look, that’s a problem of “didn’t really practice that much”. If experienced people need to look up how to do basic operations and their reaction is “that’s fucking stupid”, then the software is bad.
To then say “well why don’t you help the Dev team then” is insane. I’m not spending hundreds of hours digging GIMP out of bad design decisions when I could just use better software and I haven’t seen any evidence that my PR would even be accepted.
Nobody needs excuses and apologism, they need Blender for image editing and GIMP just isn’t that.
I mean, I’ve been using GIMP as my primary photo editor for…over a decade. When I use other programs, nothing is where I expect it to be and I think “well, that’s fucking stupid”
Have you thought about applying for a job at Adobe and fixing it?
Getting a job at Adobe is not helping GIMP
No, but “fix it yourself” is apparently a completely acceptable response if someone criticizes GIMP.
Anyway, I don’t care how bad the tools you use are, but it’s time to stop acting shocked when industry professionals have no interest in GIMP and don’t take anyone who advocates it as a Photoshop alternative seriously.
Nobody is acting shocked. Least the people who learned to use GIMP.
The problem is people like you who are outraged, when asking for a free Photoshop alternative, that the next best thing is not to their likening.
And yes “consider fixing it yourself” is absolutely a valid response for GIMP issues because GIMP is made by volunteers For Photoshop it a bullshit response because it’s made by a billion dollar company which charges you for the development and use.
Nobody is acting shocked. Least the people who learned to use GIMP.
So the people who learn GIMP are fully aware why it gets zero industry use? Thanks, that was my point.
The problem is people like you who are outraged, when asking for a free Photoshop alternative, that the next best thing is not to their likening.
I’m not outraged in the slightest, nor am I asking for a free Photoshop alternative. But I’ve seen people claiming GIMP is a viable alternative to Photoshop for 20 years and for anything past the most basic use cases, it isn’t. You may as well be telling people to use Nano instead of Visual Studio and when they complain about the experience, tell them to code the features themselves.
GIMP has had literally decades of development and even with Photoshop in the worst state it’s ever been in, it isn’t competitive. There are clearly systemic issues with the project and I’m certain this “head in the sand” mentality is at least partly to blame.
So you open any other image editor, click the rectangle select button, draw a rectangle, then select a move button beside the rectangle select tool, then it moves the rectangle you just selected and you think “That’s fucking stupid, it should’ve moved the entire image, not the rectangle I just selected!”
Really?
Yes, really. If my move tool is set to layer move, dont change it just because I used the select tool for something completely unrelated. That is the typical dumbed down big colorful button approach that I hate in modern corporate software.
I feel like my tools should work together instead of having their parameters set individually. If I select something, it’s because I want to do stuff with it. Imagine hitting play on a video and then also having to hit play on the audio.
Look, that you’re used to the garbage UI doesn’t change that it’s garbage and in dire need of a fundamental revamp. If almost everyone here (and everywhere else) says that it sucks or is intransparent, then YOU may be the odd one out here ;)
Imagine hating usable software you don’t need a PhD for. It’s kinda pathetic to make this your point of pride.
I’ve been using GIMP since the very dawn, I use plenty of other image editors for variety of reasons (Affinity Photo, DxO PhotoLab, ArtRage, Clip Studio), and I have no problems with the UIs in any of them.
Yet every time I use Adobe software I’m like “why is it doing this? Why is it designed this way? Who thought that was a good idea? This is stupid.”
‘help the dev team’ is a lunatics response. I use Linux but fuck the users man.
It’s a bit lunatic, but it’s arguably the only way forward. GIMP doesn’t have a multi billion dollar company behind - only volunteers.
Expecting the developers to have the capacity and skill to emulate the features and looks of Photoshop (and quickly, please) - in their free time - is even more lunatic.
I’m not expecting anything. But if your response to genuine criticism is “fix it urself in the code lol” then fuck off
Ok
I’m just glad they added non destructive editing in the latest version. I’ve tried to rotate/resize something in gimp before and it was a chore to keep quality acceptable.
That is great indeed. And it’s nearing 3.0!
I think what burns people the most is that after Photoshop 5 or so, GIMP stopped keeping up with all the improvements in the later Photoshop versions. People making the jump from 2024 Photoshop to 1996 Photoshop UI/UX are gonna have a bad time.
Edit: as a software developer I can say that I’ve never seen a user more frustrated, sometimes even irrationally so, when they are forced to re-learn muscle memory to perform a familiar task. I’ve also seen people practically riot at the mere suggestion that this will happen. If you wish to curry favor with your userbase, never ever, remove keyboard accelerators, move toolbars around, break workflow, etc.
Please teach to how draw good circles and eclipse And how to resize sollection by corner
good circles and eclipse
I assume “eclipse” is a typo of ellipse? Anyway, just use the ellipse select tool (keybind:
e) to make a selection in the shape that you want, then fill it in with the bucket tool (b). Hold shift while using the bucket tool to fill in the entire selection, ignoring anything that’s drawn inside it. If you want to draw a ring rather than a completely filled circle, use the “border” command from the “select” dropdown menu to replace the ellipse/circle selection with its border.how to resize selection by corner
I’m curious, what is your usecase for this? I’ve never had to do it myself. But if I had to, here’s how I would do it: first, convert the seleciton to a path. Make sure the path is visible from the “Paths” dialog (you have to explicitly show the paths dialog using the “window > dockable dialogs” option. From then on, you can use any of the usual transform tools (perspective, resize, roate, etc) on the path. You just have to select the path icon under "Transform: " in the “tool properties” dialog to make sure you’re transforming the path, not a pixel layer. Once you’ve transformed the path to your liking, you can turn it back to a selection, fill it with color, or stroke it with a brush by right-clicking on it in the “layers” dialog.
Also, bonus tip: never use the dropdown menus, it’s a huge waste of time. Just press
/to pull up for the command palette and search for the tool you need.EDIT: I love lovingly ranting about gimp, I can do it four hours on end. I’m not some sort of gimp guru, but I know a thing or two. If anyone has any more questions, feel free to reply to this comment and I’ll do my best to give advice.
You learn this by messing around or did you follow some guide?
Combination of both I guess? Like for the second one I found out that you can convert between selections and paths a long time ago just by stumbling upon the menu entry for it, but I had to look up how to apply transformations to paths
Not op, but if I’m trying to rectangle select something, I sometimes get it close on the first try but not exactly right, so instead of trying to redraw the selection or use additive/subtractive selections, it is more intuitive to me to try and resize the selection box.
I had to use PS for school recently and it’s nice that it supports this use case, although I did have to search for a guide to learn how to do it.
Use the select tool to create an ellipse selection and go to Edit->Fill with foreground colour
I know it’s a consequence of open source development, but I just absolutely despise the file picker. Everything else is dreamy.
Everything else is dreamy.
Gimp spolied me. Now every time I’m forced to use a GUI app with lots of dropdown menu items, I get irrationally angry that I can’t just hit
/to search through them like I can in gimp lol.Blender changed it to just start typing one or two minor versions ago. There’s certainly stuff I have no idea how to find in the menus because F3 is way more convenient than remembering things (just be aware that you still need to be in the right mode for stuff to show up).
Why? Genuinely curious about what is wrong with it.
Maybe they dislike the filepicker because it doesn’t support icon view, only list view (just like the standard gtk filepicker)? I remember a while back lots of people were getting their panties in a twist over it, it was a huge meme in the gnome hater community.
GIMP could fix that today if they just used the filepicker portal. Otherwise once they get to GTK4.
Honestly filepickers are kinda cringe, no matter what display mode it uses. I just have a shortcut that basically does
find ~ | dmenu | xargs dragon-drop(well, the script itself is a little more complicated, but that’s the gist of it) so I can just search for files and drop them into the filepicker directly. Hopefully once everything switches to xdg-portal, someone can make a “filepicker” implementation that just does something like that directly.
Had to learn Gimp in 4th or 6th grade, not sire which one it was, pretty comfortable with it, though I admit, it can be frustrating sometimes.
help the dev team
And we wonder why people don’t like using Linux or FOSS software.
That’s their prerogative. FLOSS is a communal effort of equals. Users are not customers; not entitled to anything as it’s donated freely. If you want to be bannied and not contribute, there’s proprietary software out there but they’ll exact a price (currently more than just financial).
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Nice
I have no idea how selection works anywhere else, since I only ever used gimp.
For me, I don’t understand this meme, selection seems to work very intuitively, it seems to do what I expect it to do.
work very intuitively
I only ever used gimp
Lol, all these GIMP haters who don’t seem to understand the goal was being on par with Photoshop when it was a desktop application. It works exactly like Photoshop always did. And I agree, selection makes sense. There were many apps that worked the same… Paint Shop Pro as well.
I guess the kids have all grown up with some other tools and would rather call things they don’t understand stupid than try to grasp where the tool came from.
I’m not sure how Krita is different but then again I haven’t used it. I installed it, saw it looked like a fork of GIMP, and stuck with what I knew. Which is probably what anyone who hates GIMP should do.
It works exactly like Photoshop always did.
Unequivocally false (source: been a PS user since version 7)
I haven’t used Photoshop since version 4 so we can’t really compare notes here. I dropped Windows during the Blaster Worm attack in the early 2000s
I was using Mac OS 9 at the time! But PS 7’s workflow was already pretty similar to what it is today, and far more intuitive than GIMP which I tried for the first time in 2006-ish.
Interesting. I remember trying a copy of newer Photoshop a few years and being genuinely confused by how layers worked as they’ve always been part of my flow.
The old versions of photoshop and paint shop pro were heavily layer based and selections were automatically a mask of the current layer as in GIMP so GIMP was easy for me to transfer too at the time.
I also find that intuitive is a relative term. Relative based on your own experience.
I also find that intuitive is a relative term. Relative based on your own experience.
That’s a very good point. As a counterpoint though, pretty much every other app (Affinity Photo, Photopea, even Krita to a certain extent) emulates the PS workflow, which makes GIMP feel even more odd. Its paradigm was probably OK in the early 00s but the world has moved on.
Relative to what? You admitted you only ever tried GIMP fucking lmao.
I’ve used other stuff almost daily and I still don’t understand this meme.
Taking the time to learn gimp is worthwhile. Its really powerful once you know how to use it IMO
counterpoint, learn nondestructive editing and you can use any image tool you want that supports it. IMO this is a far nore useful skill than investing time into one app that can’t even do nondestructive🥲
Holy cow, it’s finally here. Not only that, I really like the way it looks in the layers panel. I thought they would just copy Krita filter layers, but this implementation seems smarter.
Yeah the wheels of change turn slowly for the GIMP =) I’m still a fan, thou
Yo! TIL, cool
I have used Gimp for years and I actually do not understand this meme. Like, do you not understand how image selection and/or layers work? What tf did you think would happen except for exactly what happens?
maybe its because of the thing where you select something and try moving it and it moves the whole layer? thats the only thing ive ever had a problem with in gimp
Ooohh, okay, I get how that could be unintuitive. Thank you.
It’s better to separate it to another layer so I do it without realizing. If you have trouble with outlines forming then use copy instead of cut.
apparently the post was actually about deselecting everything and how its not intuitive for people that come from apps that dont use ctrl+shift+A
I’ve just encountered this yesterday. Need to change the target of the moving tool in the toolbox or Toolbar or whatever it is called .
oh cool i just discovered this is possible… i dont even use gimp anymore
Well, in GIMP you need to do the “float selection” before you can manipulate what you’ve selected properly. In Clip Studio Paint, for example, you select, press ctrl, and just drag whatever you clicked on to move. Way more intuitive (until you do it expecting to interact with active layer and instead move something in the overlay or behind).
I do love how GIMP allows you to work with transparency though.
I’m confused. Just tried the selection tool in GIMP and Krita on my PC and sketchbook on my tablet. Works the same way as far as I can tell. Just select, draw in there, copy/paste, ctrl-shift-a to unselect. Moving is more convenient in Krita and Sketchbook, true, but like that can’t be it right? I’m at a loss.
That’s because you know that “select none” is the correct tool to use in gimp most of the time. For lots of new users, “select all” seems like the more obvious option as opposed to “select none”. The reasoning is something like “I want to be able to edit the entire picture, so I should select all”. It doesn’t help that “select all” has the simpler keyboard shortcut of the two. So they press “select all”, then use a transformation tool like Scale or Rotate, and instead of simply transforming the layer like they would expect, it funnels them into the lovecraftian abomination of confusing UI design that is Floating Selection.
GIMP’s layer system is definitely unique, sadly it hasn’t much in common with the selection tool. In that sense, yes, it is unintuitive when migrating from other apps. I’d argue it’s not that complicated, as gimp even highlights the buttons you should be pressing like a mobile game, but it is a complete non sequitur so back on topic…
If you use “select all” in any program to cancel selections, I don’t know what to tell you. Like ok, GIMP is the jankiest of em all if you do that, no contest, but the rest doesn’t behave correctly either if your expectation is that it’ll work just like it did before you did any selecting. The flashing selection line around the whole page should be a pretty strong indicator of something being different.
Honestly, many GUI program, doesn’t even have to be a raster art program; vector art like illustrator, 3D modeling like maya, some music programs, our custom spreadsheet stuff at work, even many file explorers, as far as I remember they all have the ctrl-shift-a shortcut and all would behave quite differently if you used ctrl-a excepting the same result. I’m genuinely at a loss where you’d get the idea to use ctrl-a to cancel a selection. Like I understand the intuition you proposed, but at what point do you just forget everything else you ever did on your computer?
Wouldn’t Inkscape be a more similar tool to Krita?
These programs are tools you have to learn to use. A hammer is pretty simple to use but it’ll take some time before you’ve curving a marble statue.
Inkscape is a vector art program, it is fundamentally different to any raster art program. Like just download it and try to make just about anything with it, if you never used a vector art program, you’ll be absolutely lost. If you know GIMP, Krita or Photoshop you at least have a basic understanding of the others.
I’ve played around with all four programs. I guess it just comes down to what you’re using the tool for. I can’t draw so I have no business in Krita. I’ve made logos in Inkscape and have used GIMP and Photoshop for different things. I’ll start most projects GIMP and move to a more specialized tool of I need it.
I dont really know photo editing, could someone explain?
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Oooh, wait, that isn’t how it works in other programs? I really like that behaviour in GIMP to be perfectly honest, have used it in editing stuff deliberately.
It’s a common scenario in software. We think some things like ui designs and workflows are “natural”, but they’re quire arbitrary, and people just got used to them. Then people who are used to it will feel lost with any different workflow, and people who first learned the different ones may feel at home.
A nice example is the windows ui, that a lot of people who grew up with it feel like the most straightforward way to use a computer, but people who grew up with smartphones usually struggle with it and find something like the gnome ui more straightforward.
Same… I think Photoshop would probably feel difficult to me to get my head around at this point since Gimp’s workflow is the one I’ve known and used for over a decade and a half now
It is annoying not to have a button on the UI, but once you learn the hotkey this becomes a non-issue unless I’m missing something? I suppose this is an issue, but for a piece of free software like this it sort of feels like making a mountain out of a molehill.
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That’s what I thought you meant, I was just trying to confirm, as I sometimes feel a step behind in tech conversions.
Thanks!
Doesn’t Ctrl + A deselect?
yeah, that’s the point of the joke. You’d think that the “default state” should be “select all” – I want to edit the entire layer, so I should select all of it. But no, “select all” has a bunch of weird obscure behaviour, “select none” is what you want most of the time, even though it gets the shortcut with more keys.
Wait… what does select all and select none do?
Selections are ways to restrict yourself from editing parts of the image. For example, if your select a rectangle, you will only be able to draw on that rectangle, nowhere else. “Select all” and “select none” both allow you to draw on the entire layer. The difference is how some tools such as as Scale, Rotate, Perspective Transform, etc. work.
So, for example, if you Select None, and then use the scale tool to make the layer twice as big, it will scale the pixels contained in the layer, and grow the layer boundaries to accommodate the new pixels. This is what you want most of the time.
If, on the other hand, you Select All, and then use the scale tool, it will cut out all of the pixels into a new Floating Selection, leaving the original layer empty and with the same size. This is a very confusing behavior. Actually, pretty much anything that involves Floating Selection is confusing.
Gimp sucks. That’s why people on Linux rather use krita to edit photos and it wasn’t even built to do that.
Gimp is a horrible mistake that should literally be killed off and it should be put into a failure museum to serve as a warning and a reminder how Foss can take a wrong turn and many free development hours are spent towards building the wrong things and continue to disappoint any user that tries it.
I’m so sorry that you feel the $0.00 you’ve spent on GIMP’s development were not well spent
Just because something’s free doesn’t make it immune to criticism.
That wasn’t criticism, that was a rant
I have the best wishes for all the developers and what they make after gimp experiment ends.
No idea what you’re on about. GIMP works fine, it’s just not a drop-in replacement for Photoshop. People need to use layers more.
Gimp works fine… but it’s not intuitive and the UI/UX is horrible.
And it is intentionally horrible. It is how the developers want it.
Lack of a user friendly art suite is a major barrier to Linux adoption.
Change it, make it better. Market your version.
Or join conversations with developers so that it becomes better.
You are the development team as much as you want to be. It’s not Adobe.
Sometimes “intuitive UI/UX” leads to long “where is the fucking menu” confusion. Shitvendor of my phone shipped it with some garbage crApple-like launcher, where I couldn’t remove app from home screen without removing entire app. This lasted untill I installed Trebuchet.
While I understand your frustration, intuitive UI/UX is ‘real’ and not just a marketing gag. But you have to invest the money and the time to do proper user research.
I like GIMP :)
Yeah… I know. Me too, in a weird and twisted masochistic way. Still, I’d like it a lot more if ux improved.
I’ve used GIMP to create all of my memes. It’s just fine, even if the UI can be unintuitive.
It lacks features compared to Photoshop, which is a reference to the fact that 2 developers maintain the core features of it.
The fact that gimp is run by two people is indicative of the massive grift of Adobe.
Memes ok. Still, there is better stuff out there for memes.
skill issue
That most users rather use a painting program to edit photos?
Sorry but there has to be something there…
Most users? You can’t just make statistical claims without actual data. It’s fine to dislike something, but you don’t have to force your opinions on others. Gimp has its flaws and lack features a lot of professionals need, but a lot of people happily use it daily for their tasks. I agree that we need more open source software in this field, but that doesn’t mean gimp can’t coexist.
Why beat a dead horse? :)
Sorry, I’ve run out of shits to give
You don’t get it.
If you’re not spending hours trying to figure out how to do the most basic shit then it’s not for you, pal. Ever heard the expression pressure turns coal into diamonds?
That’s right.
That’s because we’re not bitch ass pussies. Last night I spent five hours trying to merge some layers, and you know what? Worth it! I read the docu, had a back and forth with the developers and after they threatened to kill my family I got it. I’m now a proud member of the Gimp Club Tm (choker and gag ball not included).
Ya gotta give to get some, Shirley. Now move over, I need to block out the rest of the day so I can figure out how to export a PNG.
so I can figure out how to export a PNG.
- File > Export As
- Under ‘Select File Type’ choose png, or name the file anything ending in .png
- Click Export. Leave the settings as-is or tweak them if you know what you’re doing
- Confirm
I spent five hours trying to merge some layers
- Right Click the Layer
- In the context menu, click Merge Down
Your examples suck. Got any real examples?
Issa joke pal. No need to cry crocodile tears about it. No, pal, I don’t like windows. Why even bring that up? I just don’t like the attitude you guys have whenever someone dares criticize your precious Gimp. No I haven’t used it in ten years because it was a nightmare to figure out the most basic functions
I thought jokes were supposed to be funny? What’s the joke here? GIMP is bad? Who finds that funny?
If all you got from this is gimp bad then I can’t help you brother.
That’s fucking stupid. What are you even doing in this community? It seems like you’re completely against the idea of investing time. Gonna guess you are a fan of Windows
This comment was exactly for people like you. Criticism of Gimp and you went straight to:
You must like windows, huh? I bet you take that Steve Ballmer Bill Gates double d all day
Ya boiiiiii I’ll take the Ballmer Dick any day over having to endure opening that abhorrent nightmare of an interface from hell
Why don’t you invest time
Why don’t you invest in deez
Couldn’t understand you with the MS shaft in your gullet
Got to love it when people think they’re making a statement when they’re really just exposing themselves.
Merging layers? There’s a button on the layer window that does just that. You can also right click -> merge.
Exporting PNGs? File -> Export -> File Type at bottom of the window -> PNG
Not that hard unless you’re somehow incredibly inept.
Woosh. I love how this comment went over 99% of you people. You’re so predictable.
Do you really think I couldn’t figure out how to export a goddamn PNG?
Most people that complain about GIMP don’t actually know that.
lol this person can’t merge layers in gimp. there’s at least 3 obvious ways to do it, e.g. right clicking on a layer.
It’s called being hyperbolic. I know you guys only understand literal readings of things.
it’s called mockery. try to keep up
You just gave instructions on how to merge layers. Which part is the mockery exactly
Haha
How stupid must you be that merging layers takes you hours? It is a single button press. Exporting PNGs is a matter of under 10 seconds. It is clearly labelled in the dropdown menu.
Wooosh
:)
Gimp is for Chads only I guess. :D
I’m soft with my UX requirements and time constraints.
If you’re not clicking through 20 menus to do one thing then I can’t help you brother you’re just a pleb
I want to be offended, but people that have seen me criticise Gimp have called me so many worse things, that with “pleb” I don’t feel anything anymore.
Try at least mentioning that I’m an Adobe abused demented slave or something of sorts.
I had some dirty stuff in the barrel that involved Shantanu Narayen but I don’t want to get banned yet.
😯 Don’t go there.
Gimp needs fixing. It’s definitely not beyond it. But sure go simp for Microsoft some more (yes I remember you from other threads)
I literally use GIMP every day at my job. It’s a very powerful application that makes my life easier.
My condolences.
Have an upvote. I’d pay double what Affinity is currently asking to have their products on Linux. Gimp is the opposite of intuitive.
Absolute you problem. GIMP is some of the best and most powerful FOSS ever made, and better than most proprietary applications. But this is probably just bait anyway.
Not a problem at all for me. What I said is true. The proof is that people rather use krita.
I use Krita a lot and I like it. I also use Gimp. Many people do. That fact that you don’t like it is not an argument against it
I want to like it, but it’s so hard. It’s easier to like almost everything else.
That’s fair - Krita is a more approachable piece of software in many ways
Yes, people are handicapped and entrapped by using Adobe products.
My man GIMP is the only software I’ve ever seen that doesn’t use CTRL+D for deselect
Blender uses Alt+A.
It consistently uses Alt as a modifier to execute inverse operations. I to insert a keyframe, Alt+I to delete it. Ctrl+F to set a text filter/search, Alt+F to clear it. Ctrl+P to set parent, Alt+P to clear it. H to hide selected objects, Shift+H to hide unselected objects, Alt+H to unhide all. {G,R,S} to move/rotate/scale, Alt+{G,R,S} to reset transformations. It’s not exactly industry standard, but internally consistent that makes learning it easy.
Ctrl+D to deselect is stupid.
Ctrl+D to deselect is stupid.
Lol
krita?
Vim?
you guys dont just get the selection tool and click outside of the selection?
Calculator?
You don’t use much software, huh?
Bash? quits
Don’t try to draw a circle either
Meanwhile me using Corel draw:
lemmy is stupid and made that a URL, do not click it
Not on jerboa. Also it shouldn’t be URL. URL should be
schema://[[user@]host[:port]]/path?queryI agree that it shouldn’t be a URL, but on the (desktop) website it is one.
lemmy is stupid and made that a URL, do not click it
this is like when aerith told me not to look up at the sky in rebirth
why don’t people use krita? Gimp may be the most famous photoshop alternative, but I almost never hear anyone talk about others that may potentially be better.
Krita is better for some things but I find Gimp’s workflow easier for me in a lot of things
Krita’s Wacom tablet support, though, was way smoother and easier to get working with Krita, which is the main reason I even tried it out
Context?
In an alternate timeline Fireworks MX went open source and people might use one or the other but everyone’s happy. Lol
I had to fight my old company to purchase Fireworks since it had the absolute best jpeg compression engine. I still miss the “export selection” tool…
