• @[email protected]
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    Thanks a lot John Roberts and Sam Alito for fucking up our politics. Citizens United may be the worst Supreme Court decision since the Civil War

    • @[email protected]
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      There’s a conservative group trying to use Dred Scott as a precedent to disqualify Kamala Harris. The civil war never ended, it just went cold.

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      Every drop helps, but the US spends around $4.5 trillion annually on healthcare. If we changed to single-payer, cut out the middle-man multi-pipeline network of private insurers thereby also lowering administrative overhead that last I checked was around 30%… We would likely achieve what most other nations are achieving at half the per-capita cost we pay now.

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    Citizens United.

    But just a few, incredibly rich ones. So it’s like the opposite of what the name seems to imply.

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    They always give these draconian laws positive sounding names. Also, all that disposable money could’ve be used for social programs through taxation

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        They appear to be mistaking the shorthand for the Supreme Court ruling to be the name of a law. In fairness, bills do often have overly patriotic names that hide their paradoxical purposes.

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          The ministry of Truth would never lie! It’s right there in the name!

        • @[email protected]
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          Well the same principle is at play here, since Citizens United is a deceitful name for an astroturfed, billionaire-funded organization that had absolutely no involvement from ordinary citizens.

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          Typically, the collection of judicial opinions are referred to as “case law” if one wanted to be generous.

  • @[email protected]
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    2123 days ago

    After a certain point, they’re just going to cut out the middle-man and say Money = Votes and allow you to bid or hold shares in the office of the President.

    Citizens United and SpeechNow fucked us. Until these are overturned, along with the Electoral College and FPTP abolished, dark days are ahead for our Democracy.

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      At which point we the people would be morally and legally obligated to make that office uninhabitable.

      There is always an answer. Just not always a civilized one.

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    Republicans don’t want to get rid of it because it helps them against Democrats. Democrats don’t want to get rid of it because it helps them lock out progressives. We’re stuck with it.

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      How would the Democrats “get rid of” a supreme court decision?

      Proponents of which party brought the case? Appointees of which party were in the deciding majority on the court?

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        How would the Democrats “get rid of” a supreme court decision?

        Stacking the courts and bringing another case. Or an amendment.

        So like I said, we’re stuck with it.

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    Are there other western countries that have a similar rule regarding money in politics? I’m not familiar with rules regarding political donations in other countries

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      Not really. Most actually have very strict rules about who can donate

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        Are the rules around who can donate or around how much they can donate? My understanding is that in the US, most people can donate directly to a candidate (within a limit) but you can donate unlimited amounts “indirectly” to the candidate

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          Most have rules stipulating who can, and how much and where.

          In the US, that’s how it works. The caveat is that the people who fund it are supposed to be know. This is why we have PACs that act as a buffer between the actual donors and the public.

          Ken griffin (the idiot billionaire in the photograph… of Citadel Securities infamy,) recently dropped millions to defeat a measure that would have seen taxed “enough” that it was profitable to do that.

          Do you think it would have worked if the scare-ads said “this message brought to you by a rich fuck you all hate”?

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    y’all come on now, just cause they donated a couple billion bucks does not mean their opinion matters more than an average citizen does it?

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    It’s funny people believe before citizens united that money didnt run politics. America is an oligarchy ,has been my entire life, and always will be. It’s not a bad system if you learn about it. Lots of opportunities if you are willing.

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      The entire point of the law they struck down was to take money out of politics. Yes we know money has been a problem.

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      America is an oligarchy ,has been my entire life, and always will be.

      Are you over 200 years old? government used to break up monopolies. citizens united probably wasn’t the beginning but it sure did streamline the corruption and legalize the purchase of politicians. Anyways, normalizing apathy probably isn’t going to help the situation.