Why buy a console when for roughly the same price you could buy a PC that does everything the console does and more? Yeah $700 is an insane price for what is effectively a toy.
It’s about the same as the inflation-adjusted PS3 price, but here’s the thing: the PS3 had a difficult first couple of years. If not for the Red Ring of Death, Microsoft could have come out ahead that generation. One thing Sony is good at is capitalizing on its competitors’ mistakes, and combined with price reductions on later models, they pulled out a victory. Being >$750 inflation-adjusted dollars at launch wasn’t why it won.
The PS5 in general has just felt like a nebulous console. I don’t know if it’s just me not being as connected to console gaming anymore or what, but there’s no PS5 games that are “must play” or anything that I’ve seen/read/heard hype about that has made me really interested. Partly there was the Covid years where it was apparently facing shortages and during that I just switched my mind off to the idea that I’d ever buy one. It’s been out for years now though, but nothing about it makes me care to move on from our PS4 that’s still chugging along.
Plus if you wait a few years PlayStation will release it on Steam and then you can play it on the deck.
The price alone isn’t the problem.
If the launch came paired with great new games it would be a whole different story, like as if it would be a new generation console like a PS6 with new exclusive games I doubt that the price would even be an issue. People would still complain, but they’ll get over it.
From what I’ve seen it’s practically only PS5 ‘Pro Enhanced’ games, which are mostly games that have been around many years already. Plus it doesn’t have a disc drive so it’s more expensive if you want disc support too.
I still got an original PS5 (with disc drive), I mostly only played PS exclusive games and a few games that I prefer on console, it’s perfectly capable of doing 4k and/or high resolution graphics and framerates depending on the game. I don’t see a reason to upgrade to the Pro at all. And I think new players are more likely to just go for the PS5 Slim instead.
Yep. This gen has been pretty barren when it comes to AAA games that aren’t remasters/remakes and it’s not just exclusives. The handful of AAA games I want to play run perfectly fine on my low spec PC. Sure not at 4k60, but upgrading my pc or buying a PS5 pro just for those few games just isn’t worth it.
It’s not the price point. Most of the people who’d be in the market for one wouldn’t buy it because it doesn’t take discs. When I bought my PS5, I specifically bought the disc version. So I’m not going to ‘upgrade’ to a machine that doesn’t have one and only really offers ‘improved performance’ as its main selling point. It just doesn’t make sense.
If you’re new to the platform and are used to buying only digital, it might be more palatable. But as someone who’s been with Sony since the very first PlayStation: I’m gonna pass.
Its funny how people are clowning on a 700$ console but buy phones for twice as much happily every year.
Make no mistake… those people are clowns too.
Every year? The only person I know within my immediate vicinity has phones ranging from 2019 2022.
Also something you use probably 3-5 hours a day vs something you might use only a few hours a week isn’t immediately comparable.
A modern day necessity vs a relatively niche item.
Don’t forget about the advocado toasts!
I know some people upgrading Pixels every year because with trade in and sales they only need to pay like $200. I don’t think Sony will take an existing PS5 though…
That’s in the seven years a $300 - $400 phone holds for me, 4 times as much.
Who even buys a new phone every year?
People usually clown on Apple users specifically for doing this, but every Apple user I know uses their phone for multiple years. In fact, Apple was giving users multiple years of software support while Samsung and others were only doing 2 major Android updates for flagships. Google was the one to FINALLY change the status quo in the Android world, so that’s good at least, others seem to be following suit. Previously, Android users I knew would just keep going without software updates. Luckily they mostly still receive security updates for a few years after the OS updates stop.
None of the manufacturers gives you a compelling reason to upgrade every year anymore. 10-15 years ago the changes were big because the first smartphones were shit compared to what you had just a few years later. Between the original iPhone and roughly the 5 or 5s, every upgrade was pretty major. Same on the Android side.
Now I think you’d have to go from an 11 Pro to 16 Pro to notice anything. And good news in that department, if you still have an 11 or 11 pro, that still got the iOS 18 update. Actually, so did the older XR and XS.
The only reason to buy a new phone every year nowadays is because Apple, knowing EXACTLY what they’re doing, changes the camera arrangement every year so clout chasers would know you have last year’s model. It’s stupid as fuck, but luckily none of the people I know fall for it.
Almost nobody buys a new phone every year. And if a phone is your only computing device, buying a high end one isn’t a bad idea.
The $700 console is overpriced relative to its power and has pretty much no games.
What puts me off is the lack of games this generation. I’m not spending £700 on a console where the only worthwhile exclusive that isn’t already on PC is Astro Bot.
If that’s the best thing that Sony and Microsoft can give us after three years of releasing their current consoles, then we’re well and truly on the verge of another market crash.
I think the demographic is slightly different. The people buying consoles might know more about what they’re buying and do some research about it. Whereas the newest iphone getting released all the normies will flood to it and get the newest shiny apple product after they hear about its release.
wasnt the iphone 16 just made of titanium and thats it
When iphones went from 400 to 999, I do remember people having an outrage, soon after samsung also raised their prices. It is that moment for console gamers right now.
It definitely is. The PS6 is going to be around $1000. When the phone prices went up I started to change phones every 4 years instead of 2. And now I will get the Slim instead of the Pro, even though I always get the latest and greatest.
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I would have paid $700 for the Pro if it came with everything the 30th anniversary edition had, and maybe a little more if it also included the Portal.
Unfortunately, Sony can’t stop tripping over their own incompetence and limited the units to 12,300 for a reason that can be simplified to be: “money.” So it sold out in less than a minute to scalper’s bots and can now be found on eBay for five times the price.
I don’t get the hype for the anniversary edition.
I haven’t heard it would launch, and one day I saw people offering 2000$ for one on a trade site. My only thought was “wow, glad im not a fucking idiot like these guys”.
I sure might be stupid, but not that stupid.
You forgot the 10k for “Attempting to buy the ps5 pro for you” lol
well i guess sony found the mark what they can charge and what not. don’t expect the next one to be cheaper
Yeah why would anyone pay 700 bucks for a highly restricted device, that can’t even play games online without an additional subscription. Just get a Steam Deck, which costs less, is portable, doesn’t require subscriptions, and basically works like a full PC.
For Europe it’s 800 EUR + disc drive + vertical stand, almost 1k in total. No thanks, Sony 🤡
I’m a huge fan of the deck and use mine daily, but that is just stupid. These are entirely different platforms with different purposes, and deck just fails at new games. I see so many cases of people saying it runs new games perfectly and realistically you get 20 fps on low
deck just fails at new games.
That assumes the PS5 has games worth playing in the first place.
The specs on the Steamdeck are pretty underwhelming, and the cost of storage upgrades is outrageous. I was thinking about buying one yesterday, so I just looked at all the specs. It’s due for a second version, but that’s not coming for at least another year. So, I decided to build a mATX computer instead. But I don’t care at all about the portable aspect, so I’m probably not their target demographic.
30$ for 500gb, what the fuck are you on about storage being expensive?!
Compared to what I’m used to regarding storage upgrades on other highly integrated devices like smartphones for example, the storage upgrade costs of the steamdeck seem much better and fair.
I have a Steam Deck and a PS5 that I will be replacing with the Pro when it ships. So to give you an answer: I’m not going to be plugging a Steam Deck into a 4k 65" OLED TV with VRR. Don’t get me wrong, I love the Steam Deck, and I also enjoy PC gaming when mouse and keyboard makes sense, but sitting on the couch in font of a giant responsive display with amazing colors is by far how I enjoy gaming the most.
You can use a controller on PC and also connect to this display with the same responsiveness and colors. I always thought consoles were for the exclusive games and to play with friends, not performance or graphics.
Build a PC
Install Linux
Fuck corporate bullshit.
PS5 pro is a waste of money, but also lots of people don’t want a PC to play games. Two things can be true at the same time!
Yep.
I’m a die hard Linux nerd, but I would still Rather have a console.
But what I really want is a console that just runs Linux so I can keep it updated and fix minor issues without all the bullshit.
But what I really want is a console that just runs Linux
Steam Deck
i’d argue that a console running linux would be a PC, even if it’s plugged into your living room tv
I’d argue the replaceable parts and software are what defines a PC for the vast majority of users. Small subsets of users may chase FPS or the highest quality render. But, the vast majority spend more today to spend less long term and want to be in control of their software and hardware.
I would argue that a PC without a keyboard, dedicated to gaming is a console.
Was the PS3 fat a PC? It ran Linux.
Build a pc.
Install linux.
Get confused by linux.
What the fuck does linux want from me???
Rip hair out.
Be bald.
People confuse you for skinhead.
Wear wig.
Wig blows off on sunny windy day.
Lose wig.
Be sad.
This is absurd. Where’s the step to grow a beard and become a hobbit?
Step 0
Use rats as wig
“Honey, don’t look”
As a windows main but steam deck user, can confirm Linux being confusing.
Fucking wine prefixes.
What’s confusing about wine prefixes apart from the fact that wine itself doesn’t come with a graphical interface to manage them? On a Deck, Steam should handle these for you
Calling them “prefixes” is about the total of the confusion. Call them “instances” or even just “boxes” and it’s suddenly clear what they do.
(The only reason I’m not using “sandbox” is because they don’t really provide sandboxing from a security point of view, only a kind of separate instance with its own configuration but with access to everything via the Z drive)
Once you figure out that using a different “wine prefix” only really means a separate “Windows” with it’s own config and file structure there’s nothing confusing about it.
To be fair, it’s just because windows is the most used and common desktop operating system and the two OSs are different. People would be confused about windows too if the tables were turned.
Also the Linux community is toxic and overcomplicates things for no reason.
This is true to a large extent. No one goes out of their way to make Linux easy.
Don’t get me started on GitHub.
I see you’re getting down voted and I feel for you. Linux is a breeze if you know what you’re doing and git if the dev knows what they’re doing. But if you’re not an it wizard or very much an enthusiast, Linux just is more complex.
So this is nothing for you, but more to the gatekeepers downvoting you
What really pissed me off when I switched to Linux was I suddenly went from OS wars to sub-OS wars.
What? I’m an idiot for not switching to Linux? Ok, I’ve switched to Linux.
What? I’m an idiot for not using Arch? Motherfucker, all you told me was to switch to Linux and I’m already having trouble figuring it out.
I was led to believe you could put windows on steamdeck? Am I wrong? I don’t have one.
You definitely can. The UI from Steam OS (Linux based) is much better though.
You could, but you wouldn’t
I agree for the most part but it really does “just work” for gaming. If you use Chimera or Bazzite it works almost just like a console.
No…no it doesn’t. Ask me how I know.
Yes…Yes it does. Ask me how I know. Actually I’ll just tell you: I use it every day.
It doesn’t for everybody. What is so hard to grasp about the fact that your experience isn’t a general truth?
You install the same OS, you get the same experience. That’s what’s hard for me to understand.
Then think about it this way:
You install the same os, you don’t get the same experience.
That’s it. Like really simple.
Edit: The underlying hardware has a effect on the behavior of the os. If hardware differs, the experience differs.
That’d be cool if that was true… But I installed nobara on my brand new PC and kingdom come crashed when I fast traveled, Hades 2 ran at like 20 fps, and dragons dogma just wouldn’t launch. I get Linux is cool and all but I don’t have time to troubleshoot every game I install anymore…
PBKAC error.
Not quite “just works” but I’d be willing to bet that your computer defaulted to the iGPU instead of your dGPU because you didn’t specify as such in your launch options
I’d be willing to get those games run fine on a console and in Windows with no extra steps.
It is true. I specifically mentioned Chimera and Bazzite. The experience is totally different with those. Also if you have an Nvidia GPU, you’re probably going to have a bad time regardless. Left that bit out. But I solved that problem by switching to AMD.
How do you know? Are you some kind of wizard?
I am indeed. I’m actually pretty proficient with OSX and Linux…but fuck me…getting games to run is a whole new level of hell. I fucked around with it for a day or two trying to get my gaming laptop to run steam games in Ubuntu…wasn’t worth it.
Huh. I use Arch (obligatory btw) and iirc I just installed steam and it worked. 4th gen i5 with an rx 480 and things like Elite Dangerous run fine, the problem starts with UE5 but that’s a hardware issue.
- What games? That’s a VERY big part of this whole process.
- What are the laptop specs? The hardware is also a massive part of it.
Linux is easy.
Not compared to using a console.
Consoles are easy, and I love my PS5 for chilling and playing games, and I love my Linux PC for its power and freedom from corporate bullshit.
Wait till you realize PlayStation is just Free BSD. 😏
Streaming with Sunshine 🌞 and Moonlight 🌙 is really spiffy too.
Playing games on my deck in bed with the power of my beefy PC 🧠🤯.
Plugging my Steam Library Micro SD Card from my deck <=> PC is as easy as a using Switch™ carts.
That you don’t have admin access to. Good for not fucking it up, bad for freedom.
It’s remarkably difficult to really fuck up freebsd. On Linux, getting boots to fail is easy. FreeBSD is quite a bit more robust in that regard, as the base image isn’t updated piecemeal.
I’d easily make the trade of linux standard being impossible to fuck up without rooting it, if it meant it became as easy to run as a commercial OS.
You just described Android.
Might be based on FreeBSD, but much in the same way as Android is based on Linux, it doesn’t provide you any of the freedoms that a typical Linux distro does.
So? Fisher price makes some good toys if you want something easy to play with.
You are the reason why people think Linux fans are obnoxious twats.
Same to your “Linux is easy” comment then.
I’m talking about an operating system, not a toy. Playstation is a toy, like a tonka truck, or a tricycle. Your rebuttal is bad.
Sometimes people want to play with a toy and not scream at their OS because of… millions of possible reasons.
Cool, but you’re in a gaming community in a post about the Playstation, so I’m not really sure why you’re talking about operating systems and behaving like this when someone talks about the console the post is about.
I love Linux. I’ve moved both my PC and laptop to Linux this year and gotten rid of Windows completely and I’m loving it. OpenSUSE Tumbleweed doesn’t get enough love.
That being said… Linux is not easy guys. This guy is full of shit. But I would still recommend trying it if you’re an enthusiast with this sort of inclination.
Like anything, it’s easy once you know how it works. Knowing how Linux works only takes several years.
It can be. But people don’t usually read instructions or ReadMEs or Docs first?
I will never understand why not. Did you know:
National average Proficient 34% Basic 65%That is totes a big ooof and explains a lot about many people. @.@
It really explains why assembly instructions are mostly useless pictures now.
If I had to read documentation first, I wouldn’t be using Linux. We write software so we can automate things, so we should be able to automate away most of the troublesome parts until we’re just left with a useful device that does its job.
May I introduce you to republicans, and the bible belt?
And Windows is hard
Show me your hair.
Bazzite is the answer you search for. Learn the terminal & eventually get a grasp on why atomic distros are cool and you’ll be okay. I was on windows for years & when I learned the terminal for that it was like I was giving God powers.
The only thing I’m trying to install linux on is my Raspberry Pi. Upon googling Bazzite, it doesn’t seem to support Raspberry Pi.
Also, I’ve been trying to learn terminal off and on for 15ish years, with no luck. I’ve been trying to get the fan to work, unsucsessfully on my raspberry pi, for 4 years now. Apperently I have to compile some code…I don’t know what that means…
the benefits of Bazzite are centred around it having good performance with nVidia / AMD / Intel GPUs.
RasPi doesnt work with those GPUs, so it makes sense Bazzite wouldn’t support it.
Compiling means that you take code then run that code trough a program that checks if the code works like intended. After that it will put out a binary/exe/whatever that you can work with further.
From wiki:
In computing, a compiler is a computer program that translates computer code written in one programming language into another language. The name “compiler” is primarily used for programs that translate source code from a high-level programming language to a low-level programming language to create an executable program. There are many different types of compilers which produce output in different useful forms.
And I have no idea what that means.
How do you reboot? You click start>power>reboot.
I know what that means.
Ask me to compile a script? Uhhhhh…
The code is your ingredients, you put the ingredients together, then bake it (compile). When it’s done you have a pie (a program you can execute and run).
A lot of people would rather just go to a store and buy a pie.
What the fuck are you on about? I just build a Raspberry Pi based console running RetroPie with a custom cooler, fan, and power button with LED indicator. Check out my recent posts to 3D printing.
I compiled nothing but RetroPie since the Pi 5 isn’t officially supported but it was dirt simple to do. Install Raspbian, clone RetroPie repo, run install script, press enter on the first option, wait a few hours.
Once again, you just suck at computing. Especially if after 15 years you still can’t Bash. In 15 years I built a career as a senior linux engineer.
The Super Notendo – https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/22628904
I just taught myself parametric CAD including both solid body and surface modeling in 3 months.
So you’re stating on this post that you understand coding, and know how to compile. You’re trying to “insult” me by saying I suck at computing.
Except I’m not insulted. You know who else sucks at it? EVERYBODY. It’s like an auto mechanic trying to insult you for knowing how to change a muffler, and how it’s so easy.
I don’t know how to change a muffler. I just want to drive the car. Just like everybody else.
I just want to push a button, have my fan work, and play retro games. I don’t want to have to bash in terminal. I don’t want to compile a program. I just want to play video games.
And you know who else just wants it to work with no programming knowledge needed? EVERYBODY.
THAT is the reason that after 30+ years linux is at an all time high user base with less than 5% of the market, despite Apple being expensive as hell in a tough ecconomy, and Windows being universally agreed on as being dog shit. People STILL don’t want to switch to linjx because NOBODY understands it or wants to deal with it.
They’d rather deal with Windows 11 spying on your screen, or paying an assload for a mac than deal with linux.
Some of us like linux and want to deal with it…
Boy that’s a lot of work just to play some old crap from more than 30 years ago
I made a fucking console from the ground up. I didn’t do it to be easy – I did it because I could, and now I have something unique that is amazing to use, gorgeous to look at, runs everything up to Dreamcast/Dolphin with ease. And anyone can do it with the STLs I give away.
It even supports bluetooth audio but I will admit getting that to work was the only pain point of the whole build, but mostly because my un-official build didn’t have bluetooth support out of the box for audio so I needed to install the pipewire service and enable audio to the bluetooth device. Still only took a few minutes to work out.
Worst case scenario you can take it apart & put it back together to maybe find a defective part. Terminal is tricky because of the language barrier. It’s all just coding with extra steps which isn’t meant to dumb it down.
Yeah, and I don’t know coding. I need it dumbed down.
to be fair, the Raspberry Pi has never been pitched as an idiot-proof consumer appliance.
it is supposed to be a cheap way for people to get into studying programming /computing / electronics.
Correction…it’s never been pitched that way by the makers of raspberry pi.
I first learned of it on youtube by some guy showing how easy it was to set up, and get your home arcade up and running in 30 minutes.
Yeeeeaaaahhhh…no.
You forgot the part where you get angry, because your hdmi doesnt work with linux
Been building since 2003.
On Linux since 2018. Currently on Bazzite.
On meh 7950x X Sapphire Nitro+ 7900XTX and NVME 4.0 drive. 240hz 4k on Display Port.
Who would wanna play on cruddy console hardware lol. Based. Ironically I use a DualSense Edge.
Also have an OG and OLED Steam Deck.
I am spoiled by living near a Micro Center.
Tho the 9800X3D may launch as soon as next month for people wanting to wait.
Does Meh have good deals again? I used to check that daily but the last few years it seems like its been nothing but cheap chinese garbage.
I only go when fire sales are on.
I got my combo deal 7950x for cheap cheap when the 7800X3Ds launched. They were giving away free Ram with purchase at the time with them as well.
I once wrote a quick little scrapper that ran at midnight and would email me the listing. I think I’ll have to re-write it if there’s some sweet deals on hardware. Im still using my 10 year old 4k display i got for stupid cheap.
How’s the dualsense running on Linux? I opted for Xbox elite purely because I thought it’d have better support for the back pads but still not over bluetooth :-(.
Who is making all those pc parts? It wouldn’t be corporations would it.
You’re still beholden to the hardware manufacturers whether you buy a PC or a shitty console but at least with a PC you have choices and you’re spreading your corporate money out to those you feel worth it instead of motherfucking freedom-hating Sony.
Fair point.
Or if you want something more turnkey, a Steam Deck. Want more flexibility? Put Bazzite on it.
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$700 for a console that’s barely even better and in some ways is worse. What a deal!
In what ways is it worse?
No disc drive
It’s not an option at all? I paid extra for the drive on my PS5, but tbh, I haven’t used it and I don’t foresee that I will use it. I can’t even remember the last time that I bought a physical game, and I have a dedicated LG UHD DVD player for movies.
It is an option, and uses the same drive that is available for the PS5 Slim - the one you have.
Around a grand plus tax where I live. Fuuuck that
Especially when the differences to the base console are barely noticeable. It’s bad when the reveal has to zoom in to sell the difference
Nobody wants to pay $310 ($80 for a disc drive, $30 for a stand) more for a machine that looks better if you pause the game and squint hard.
Here’s a good example:
Can’t see it? The PS5 Pro has added reflections on Venom’s back and right shoulder. The texture on the door of the Jeep is marginally improved.
It really is tough to see the doubled framerate when you pause the game.
Just gotta pause faster!
What if I told you it’s not going to double the framerate either?
https://www.thefpsreview.com/2024/09/11/psa-ps5-pro-enhanced-games-may-only-run-at-30-fps/
The picture that you posted was from a demonstration showing the Pro mode looking similar to Fidelity while running at double the frame rate.
No point in high fps when consumers don’t know that their tv is only 60hz and they still have whatever motion smoothing options still turned on.
Well I’m a consumer and I can guarantee you that i can tell when a game is running at 30 vs 60 fps.
Still not buying a Pro though.
Pause twice
Wait is that really how blurry it is in game? That would make me sick trying to play a game like I was nearsighted constantly.
I’m sure it got jpegged to hell by the various sites sharing it.
It’s more, almost only, visible on the enemies venom is destroying. Overall it’s slightly less blurry.
“GOOD GOOD”
“Twice the pride double the fall.”’
“I’ve been looking forward to this.”
This happened with the ps3, the chief at playstation at the time said we wouldnt be able to find them at retail. My friends and I made some fun snapping pics of them sitting on shelves.
We were way into the game news scene at the time.
The PS3 also had damn few games to play at launch. If it wasn’t for Sony’s decision to ship it with a BD-ROM drive it probably would have been a total flop. Home theater nerds saved the PS3.
And I’m thankful for that because, when the promotion was right, I bought one. Warhawk, MAG, Demons souls and KZ2. What a great generation of games.
Playing Killzone 3 right now and I still find it impressive despite having a PlayStation 5.
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