I heard a piece on Here And Now today about a group of single issue voters in Dearborn that is actively working to disrupt and damage the Harris campaign. They are trying to get dems to vote for Stein.
It seems like they’re using multiple strategies in an effort to put pressure on the Dems. Some are saying that they are going to vote for Trump even though they are also anti-Trump. Their logic is that Kamala is actively contributing to a genocide, whereas Trump is not.
I doubt there is anything they can do to actually make Democrat politicians feel pressure, but I do agree with their sentiments. I’m not voting for some who is pro-genocide. Trump is both pro-genocide and fascist. I’m also not going to vote for a 3rd party candidate because most 3rd parties focus on the presidential race more than they focus on grassroots efforts.
Their logic is that Kamala is actively contributing to a genocide, whereas Trump is not.
This is literally the most braindead political take I’ve ever heard, and that’s saying a lot
It’s a classic “technically true, but not particularly useful” information tidbit. Harris is in office, Trump isn’t.
Of course, you could argue that Vance - as a powerful member of the US Senate - is participating in the genocide while Walz - a governor of a midwestern state with no meaningful role in foreign policy - isn’t. Equally true, but meaningless.
The problem Harris has isn’t that Trump gets innocence-by-default by being out of office for four years. Its that she’s doggedly clinging to the “both sides” framing of the Israeli genocide and scaring off Arab-American voters as a consequence. It doesn’t matter whether Harris is better or worse than Trump when the baseline of US policy is the mass slaughter of your friends and family.
It’s a classic “technically true, but not particularly useful” information tidbit. Harris is in office, Trump isn’t.
Harris is in an office that is entirely powerless (yes, she casts a vote in the event of a Senate tie, but no bill funding Israel has come down to that). She and Trump have nothing to do with the (current) Palestinian genocide.
The problem that Harris has is the mountains of propaganda working against her.
Not saying she’s perfect, but in a practical sense the spin matters FAR more than the facts.
I agree that it’s a bad take. But at this point I think that they’re desperate, trying anything they can to get Kamala to change course. It’s an urgent issue that can be solved easily: just stop supplying weapons and aid to Israel. Four years from now, most Palestinians living in Palestine will already be dead.
That loses older uninformed democrat voters unfortunately
Voting is a strategic choice, not an endorsement. You should vote for the candidate who you would rather have in office.
So much energy from democrats that they should instead spend on pressuring their party leadership to change their evil policy of genocide support.
Gen Z advocacy group
Is just code for “DC Consulting firm”. The energy is less popular appeals and more paid professional trolls.
Probably a fair assessment. Honestly, the energy I’m thinking of is all these Lemmy users.
I don’t know, this might be a pretty effective strategy
It might.
Uncommited movement: “Guess I won’t vote”
How do you do fellow young adults.
According to the “lesser evil” rhetoric Jill Stein is the lesser evil candidate and anyone who doesn’t vote for her is supporting fascists.
Nice gotcha, but she’s not going to win, so she’s not practically a choice. “Vote for the lesser evil” is a good shorthand, but it’s still shorthand; the philosophy is to vote in a way that will cause the least harm. If your candidate has no chance of winning, then you aren’t doing that, since your vote is roughly equivalent to not voting. Voting for a third party only makes sense if you weren’t going to vote at all, and in that case it’s a better choice but still not the best one. Hope that helps clear up any confusion around the lesser evil sentiment.
False. Jill Stein has ties to Vladimir Putin and a republican marketing firm.
Look i know that you don’t like it but to have ties with Vladimir Putin is less evil than being a fascist or supporting a genocide. If she lose things will be a gazillion times worst. The choice is limited buddy if you want to change the system you have to vote for the lesser evil.
The kids are alright.
Young women are alright, right wing support amongst <35 y.o. men is surprisingly high…
right wing support amongst <35 y.o. men is surprisingly high…
The media is flush with fascist attitudes in a country where going on the computer and listening to fascist rants is all you’re allowed to do with your time.
“in a country where […] all you’re allowed to do with your time.”
Eh… The same phenomenon is observed all over first world countries and all of those countries you’re allowed to do mostly whatever the fuck you want with your free time…
Agreed. I’m a teacher and see it in my classrooms. I often feel that they’re not taught how to have healthy community, so they become lil fascists…
If they’re like my nephew, the “manosphere” gives them easy answers as to why everything seems to suck.
It’s also the only answer. Society has really neglected boys for a long time now.
Yup. Patriarchy did them dirty. Society told them they had to be strong, stoic, and without emotion. And when that butted up against the realities of being a human we didn’t have any community to lead them towards living a good and healthy life.
You can fault the Right for a lot of things but they got there first on this one. They have a story for why things suck and they’re pounding the drum on it relentlessly. It doesn’t matter that this story is full of holes when the alternative is not compelling.
Yup. The propaganda machine moved quick when they realized this population could be manipulated into action outside of message boards.
Patriarchy did em dirty, but feminism also left them behind. It’s not just patriarchal society that forces men to be strong and stoic, it’s also self-professed feminists, especially women. Feminists say men should be more in touch with their emotions, but when they do so women have no interest in them. That’s one of the realities of life you mentioned.
That’s still patriarchy, my guy. They’ve been raised to be complicit in a system that doesn’t benefit them, and they’re perpetuating it because they don’t like how it feels to step outside of it.
when they do so women have no interest in them.
Personally, I find my experience to be much the opposite. But, I’m also in my late thirties so, experiences may differ.
You need to hang out with better women, my man.
Yup. And it’s always women and brown folks.
Don’t forget LGBTQ and furries. 🙄
The amount of times I’ve had to address the “students using litter boxes” schtick is absolutely mind boggling.
It’s always a school two towns over, and it’s always someone who has no attachment to the school attempting to push it.
I have great hope that they’ll be better than our generation, just as we were better than our parents. Fuck the ‘fuck the kids’ mentality.
I’m a classroom teacher, and I find that you’ve gotta sometimes have both “fuck them kids” and “for the kids” in different measures. But overall, I feel like they’re doing a lot of cool things.
That’s a good point. I think that one of the myths that needs to die is that if the cherubic, sweet, innocent, and pure child. Many children, without guidance, are sociopathic assholes. We’re not born “good” then corrupted by the world, we’re born with some personality traits that may or may not help us as social creatures and need help to learn how to handle our emotions and cooperate with others in a manner that is pro-social.
Yup. Like John Green, I’m generally in favor of humans, but we’ve got some perfectly natural tendencies that can really harm others if left unchecked. I think kids want to do good, but they need to be taught how to, given the space to practice, and corrected with grace when they fuck it up.
they should probably focus more on voting for Kamala Harris
Shill who?
Good. Scammers need to be called out and avoided at all costs.
A vote for Stein is a vote for Trumph
A vote for Stein is a vote for Stein. Don’t try to bend logic.
Voting third party is viable when we change the voting system, to ranked choice voting for example. Until that time comes, the two primary parties will remain dominant.
That is never going to happen.
It’s more like throwing your vote in the garbage, with the electoral college, but thanks for revealing what you are so I can block you
If voting for a third party is throwing your vote in the garbage, voting for parties backing a genocide is throwing it into the toilet.
Nope, sorry. Since those parties can win, your vote will not be wasted.
Yall mfs gonna cost Universalmonk his Lada.
Gonna say, that assclown missed an article
Shouldn’t be hard to convince anyone not to vote for her who doesn’t hate minorities.
Just let him know that David Duke endorsed Jill Stein.
If that isn’t a literal mic drop on her campaign idk what more can be done. Just make sure everyone knows before they approach a voting booth.
Wait til you find out Dick Cheney endorsed Harris! Probably the chief architect of the “GWOT”, responsible for over 1 million dead. Fuck David Duke, but he’s fuckin small potatoes compared to Dick-Vader.
Duke endorsed Stein because she does not support Israel.
The Stein campaign called David Duke trash and disavowed him.
The dishonesty here staggering.
Ooh that’s some good /agedlikemilk
Duke is endorsing for Stein, because Stein does not support Israel and Duke is antisemitic.
Koch’s is voting for Harris, because she works for the billionaire class and he is a billionaire.
One of these two is not like the other.
Lmao bro David Duke is an overt white supremacist. The association alone is damning, despite the disavowal.
Your argument is that anyone who does not support Israel is a KKK member.
That is absolutely not what I am saying
The association alone is damning
He just said he supports her. That’s not an association. He agrees with her on her policy towards Israel. Unless you think her policy towards Israel is unreasonable and only would be held by a white supremacist, then its a ridiculous position to try and maintain, because it basically says that anyone who opposes us support of Israel agrees with David Duke and thus is “associated” with him.
Mental gymnastics Olympic event right here. Not at all surprised to see Nazis and KKK fighting for the gold.
I made my point and can defend it. You just hand waved it away with some empty accusation.
It’s clear who has more faith in their position. Both you and I know it too.
I see you’re continuing to defend former KKK leader David Duke.
If you’re wondering if I care to hear your defense, I don’t.
Cheers!
Lol in what fantasy world have I been defending David Duke?
Now do Cheney and Harris
What am I supposed to do? Repeated that an endorsement is a one way thing?
Huh, the Nazi agrees with her stance on Israel? I mean, fuck Israel, but I wouldn’t want that endorsement on me.
And she denounced him. So clearly she doesn’t want it either.
Isn’t this just effectively giving her more attention? I’m not convinced that this helps.
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