• TheTechnician27
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    18 days ago

    >Not a country

    >Donald Trump has repeatedly spoken badly about and deliberately mistreated Puerto Rico

    >Donald Trump also routinely speaks extremely badly about the country Puerto Rico is in

    I’m glad he’s changed his mind at the literal last minute, but it baffles me every day how ignorant people can be.

    Petition to restart [email protected], by the way.

    • @[email protected]
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      18 days ago

      Petition to restart [email protected], by the way.

      Every time I make the mistake of visiting that sub, I want to smack the mod who locked it. I don’t even know if his grievances were legit, but clearly the only people he’s hurting are the folks who would like to post to the sub.

      Edit: Are .world Admins aware? Do they have a position on the situation? Do they give a crap? Anyone know?

      • kersploosh
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        4918 days ago

        We’re aware. AFAIK, nobody has expressed interest in taking over that community and bringing it back to life.

        @[email protected] would you like to volunteer?

      • @[email protected]
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        618 days ago

        Here’s the beautiful thing about Lemmy and the Fediverse as the whole: Anyone could be a pioneer and create another leopardatemyface community–even in another instance different from lemmy.world. I saw the mod’s explanation of locking this community and I think it’s a legitimate reason cuz many of us running away from Reddit at least wants something different from the userbase and moderating culture there and .world instance failed to provide it.

        Also, I think the .world Admins are aware, and that they have a position on the situation, and most likely they don’t give a crap. That’s why like I said, any dissenting users could create yet another similar community and try to lure others in to subscribe to it.

        • @[email protected]
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          718 days ago

          most likely they don’t give a crap.

          We do, a little. But we also can’t manually curate the entire instance. For things like this, it really helps if someone comes and talks to us, especially if they’re willing to volunteer.

          I don’t think that was a legitimate reason to lock the sub. Often, when you disagree with someone, you can use words instead of mod/admin tools. And that mod created an obvious strawman to rage against. They wanted much heavier moderation than we typically do, and I don’t think we’re extremely light on moderation.

          • Lemmy.World Community Team (yeah, it’s a little weird to sign a comment, but this is also my personal account)
      • @[email protected]
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        318 days ago

        Not every problem needs to be solved with mod/admin tools. Absolutely nobody said rape was okay.

        “Rape is less severe than normal” is not such a dangerous opinion that mods/admins need to get involved. If you are offended and/or disagree, that’s what your words are for.

        I encourage mods to use words instead of mod tools whenever possible.

        • Lemmy.World Community Team
    • @[email protected]
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      1118 days ago

      Maybe he just ran out of the paper towels Trump threw at him the last time he was in PR. Now he had a spill to clean up and he’s finally mad.

    • @[email protected]
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      318 days ago

      Don’t Trump call America a garbage can like a couple days before this guy made this joke? It seemed like just an extension of what Trump already said.

      • @[email protected]
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        218 days ago

        Yep.

        That’s how dictators work

        They’ll shit on top of the country and try a self fulfilling prophecy . Over time, people will believe it. They’ll create a negative mindset

        Then when they’re elected they’ll do the opposite. Their supporters will simply change their mindset.

  • @[email protected]
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    10618 days ago

    Florida is filled to the brim with Hispanic folks that love Trump. It makes no goddamn sense to me.

    • Mister Neon
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      6018 days ago

      It makes no goddamn sense to me.

      Cuban expats that are vehemently anti communist.

      • @[email protected]
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        Cuban expats that are vehemently anti communist.

        And who have apparently assimilated so well into US society that they have no idea what communism actually is anymore. A democrat vote is still miles away from anything even remotely resembling communism.

        • @[email protected]
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          1518 days ago

          When I was a teenager that started follow the politics of the US, I was extremely confused about the Republicans calling the left liberals, because our liberals were center-right.

          It took me a few years to stumble upon the Overton window (without using that name at that time).

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            It’s only loosely connected with the Overton window, they just don’t know what the actual word means so it means “Democrat” to them.

      • Franklin
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        Hey listen, poor people can support women all they want.

        joking

    • @[email protected]
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      1218 days ago

      Another reason is that Hispanics (like many minorities) are on average both more religious and more socially conservative than the general population.

    • @[email protected]
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      818 days ago

      My dad was African Caribbean with a heavy accent who got citizenship after decades in the US. At times, legal, at time illegal, as the system is quite intentionally broken. After ALL that experience, being repeatedly treated with racist attacks by cops, bank tellers, and who knows how many else, that’s just was I was around to see happen. Anyway, he was VERY pro-trump. Mostly because he was juvenile, and liked he could say a few lines of whatever Trump was saying and it would piss everyone off. He just loved it.

      • @[email protected]
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        618 days ago

        I’m convinced that most of what they say is to simply piss people off. Once someone is in a negative space long enough, they start to crave that attention and anger as their new norm.

        Your dad went through a hell of a gambit to be here.

    • @[email protected]
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      318 days ago

      I know a surprising number of immigrants of various flavors, who are proud of overcoming all the obstacles to build a better, successful life for themselves and their families. They object to other immigrants “getting special favors”, “not following the rules”, “getting it easy”. Some of it is justified pride in their accomplishments but I can’t help but believe they are misinformed about attempted reforms, just like many other conservatives

  • The Pantser
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    7218 days ago

    Nicky Jam, ‘She’s hot!’ -DJT

    Trump didn’t even know who you were dude. Glad you pulled support but fuck you.

  • ϻеƌųʂɑ
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    6818 days ago
    First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
    
    Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.
    
    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
    
    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
    
    —Martin Niemöller
    
  • @[email protected]
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    6218 days ago

    The dude who crashed the market with multiple tweets multiple times is more trusted than Dems who markets always do better under?

    Clueless idiots…

      • @[email protected]
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        3518 days ago

        Yes, better. The markets are all time high since god left the white house and historically, the markets always performed better under democrats, but facts cannot reach your pebbles.

          • @[email protected]
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            2518 days ago

            Maybe your investments haven’t been performing but the S&P500 average return is over 14% per year thus far into the current administration. It averaged 12.1% during Trump. Simplifying your portfolio might be a good idea, when you don’t know what is going on you should stick with a basic low cost ETF like VOO until you have a clue about things.

            • @[email protected]
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              017 days ago

              This discussion right here on “whose candidate is best for The Market” at a time when most people have less than $1000 in savings is peak Capitalism.

              Yeah, I know that in the US many if not most people have their retirement funds tied to Markets, and having worked in Investment Finance let me tell you that you were and are being swindled (but, hey, your savings for old age really make a LOT of money for a small number of people, not least because of occupying the niche of being the suckers in most markets), but that itself is peak Capitalism.

              The Markets mater very little for most people - except for the unfortunates forced by governments to bet their old age prosperity on them - but they’re really important for the largest Asset Owners, or in other words, the Very Rich.

              • @[email protected]
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                217 days ago

                While that may be a valid point to raise, in the context of this conversation, it’s of little consequence since both sides are fixated on the capital markets as a general indicator.

                The data for “real world” finances correlate with the pandemic and the emergency work to vaguely prevent economic disaster has resulted in some longer term issues that continue to need work. Despite the problems, it’s likely better than the alternative, and in these specific terms both sides started and continued the strategy that got us here.

                Now both candidates are mostly vaguely citing the need to do something about the cost of goods, housing, and healthcare, and Harris has been a little bit more concrete about what she claims to want to make happen specifically to improve that. Taking his words at face value, Trump wants to increase prices for now, assuming that a moving to a more nationalistic economy will work better. Short term is definitely higher cost of goods, and his long term is generally regarded as unrealistic, not a whole lot of data in modern economy to support nationalism over globalism as an economic principle.

      • TheRealKuni
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        617 days ago

        You know, facts don’t care about your feelings.

        Facts, like the solid economic outlook and that the US managed to soft-land the recovery from the massive global inflation coming out of COVID without triggering a recession, don’t care about your feelings that Donald Trump, a man who wants to implement tariffs on everything coming into the US which would devastate the economy and under whom the deficit shot up, is a fiscally sound choice.

        • @[email protected]
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          217 days ago

          That’s my favorite part, Trump supporters (altho this goes for Putin supporters too) always get caught saying something that’s against their great leader, just because he changes his option all the god damn time, depending on what suits him most at any given moment. Obama care for example, every time he’s interview by a republican he says tp get rid of it, but when but anybody else the story is that they’re working on an improved version. And this applies to any policy.

  • @[email protected]
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    4718 days ago

    I know of a handful of other Latin Americans who still want to vote for the fucker. They can’t articulate why they’d vote for him other than a vague economic reason, even after reminding them of all the heinous shit he spews about people who don’t look like him.

    • @ReallyActuallyFrankenstein
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      The “the economy was better under Trump” segment of voters is so depressing.

      His policies were basically tariffs and random shiny object populist issues. His policies raised prices regressively while creating entire foreign industries that didn’t exist before that now price-anchor US products through his tariffs and trade restrictions, such as soybean. Blew up NAFTA just to replace it with an almost identical arrangement. He alienated our biggest allies and trade partners. He pushed down interest rates even when it wasn’t needed, ignoring the housing and stock bubble it created, because it made him look good.

      It always reminds me how effective repeating a lie is - their “vibe” is that he’s some great businessman, and it’s enough to get their vote. They never check the sources for that “fact” (which are all Trump’s own self-aggrandizing statements).

      • @[email protected]
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        “The economy was great under trump! It’s definitely not because of Obama and his policies. It started being garbage months before Biden took office because everyone knew Biden would make it bad.”

    • @[email protected]
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      2618 days ago

      I’ve got extended married-in family that are literally mexican illegal immigrants from the 80s who made a life in America. They have family in Juarez they see regularly. They believe illegal immigration is the most important issue, and think trump is best on it. Holy shit.

      • @[email protected]
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        1818 days ago

        Everytime this comes up I think about that Trump supporter who was married to an illegal immigrant and was shocked her husband got deported.

        Link

        • @[email protected]
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          117 days ago

          That was like my favorite story. Like you were literally married, they’re officially a citizen if you just did the paper work…

  • @[email protected]
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    “Nicky jam is hot”. The fact that Trump didn’t even bother to know about him when thinking he was a female onstage I’m guessing would have been the first red flag for him

    • @[email protected]
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      Considering he had good form pretending to suck off that microphone, and was best friends with Epstein, I think he truly mean “Nicky Jam is hot.”

    • @[email protected]
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      There is quite a lot to say about the neoliberal sabotage of American manufacturing capability, but the fact that people think conservatives have any interest in making those vanished jobs both come back and be worth having is stupifying.

  • @[email protected]
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    We’ve been trying to tell you. When he gets your vote and gets into office, he’s not going to give a shit about you. Listen to the people who already got fucked the last time he was president.

    • Anti-Face Weapon
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      Don’t you understand? 20% tarrifs is actually good for the economy because prices will go down when China has to pay Americans 20%! Take that communists! And unregulated capitalism is the only way to avoid inefficiencies and economic dead ends, thanks to the protective power of monopolies.

    • Anti-Face Weapon
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      718 days ago

      The country of … Puerto Rico??

      A nation perhaps but why TF is he calling it a country

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        Because no one calls where they live a nation? Country is the generic people term for place you live, we don’t care about the legal distinctions and specifications.

        • Anti-Face Weapon
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          It’s less of a legal distinction and more of a definition thing. He is objectively using the wrong word.

          It would not be incorrect to refer to the people of Puerto Ricans as a nation by the definition of the word. The word nation does not refer to a place but a group of people.

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            Both words refer to both concepts.

            country

            1. A nation or state.
            2. The territory of a nation or state; land.
            3. The people of a nation or state; populace.

            nation

            1. A relatively large group of people organized under a single, usually independent government; a country.
            2. The territory occupied by such a group of people.
            3. The government of a sovereign state.
            • Anti-Face Weapon
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              This definition is not fully correct. A nation does not need to have a government. For example the Kurds

                • Anti-Face Weapon
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                  Kurdistan doesn’t really have a central government like that, nor fixed or well defined borders. Keep in mind that the concept of a “Nation State” is really only a couple hundred years old.

                  If that counterexample doesn’t satisfy you, then Somalia should. It is a country without a functioning government, which has two nations inside of them of the northern and southern Somalians which are completely different, and neither of which have any sort of unifying government.

  • I Cast Fist
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    I used to endorse trump, but then I realized that I actually never endorsed him because I have a fucking working brain and I’m not a stupid 'murican.