No one is blaming minorities for the rise of Trump, they’re pointing out that since Trump expanded his margins across all demographics, Kamala Harris’ failure can’t be easily explained away by racism or misogyny, and there must be a deeper frustration among many of the groups that make up the Democrats’ coalition like black and Latino Americans. Also, I rarely hear Democrats make this point; they seem to mainly blame wokeness.
53% of white women also voted for Trump in 2024. They also swung the vote in 2016.
But really, the DNC just fucked up, plain and simple. They’re run by a quorum of dinosaurs all Group Thinking their soggy old brains to failure after failure.
Or maybe the DNC refuses to speak to, let alone execute an agenda regarding the needs of the working class, election after election. Of course they’d be trounced after effectively revealing themselves as controlled opposition.
My forlorn hope is a massive repudiation of the Democratic establishment in the next round of primaries.
Armed revolution in the face of predator drones with hellfires and 5th generation multi-role fighter aircraft is a fools errand for suicidal rubes.
“So V, quiet life or blaze of glory hm?”
1812 overture intensifies
Yes I know, wrong V. I don’t care.
Yo prefiero vivir con paz si posible.
I kinda get what you mean, am I’m really weirded out by how obsessed the US is with ethnic groups, like “black vote”, “white vote” etc, because most countries don’t focus on race like that.
But data wise, Trump barely increased his vote share in white men over last election, but significantly increased in black men, so I think that’s why some data analysts are pointing it out as an interesting shift in the electorate. However to suggest it’s any ethnic group’s “fault” someone won is just stupid. And if you’re gonna do that, try gen-X white men living in the countryside.
Now what the cinnamon toast fuck is on here?
Fascist guy who makes life shit for immigrants and is on record talking about shit hole countries gets white guy vote? NP, he’s racist and it works for them. He picks up a bunch of brown or black vote? This is a story because his whole ethos is to punish and remove support for non white demographics.
This is not sime great mystery, and if you think it’s a mystery it’s because you need a goddamn helmet. Period.
That’s because most countries are far more ethnically homogenous than the US. The ones that aren’t show similar patterns. Look at India for example. Or Israel.
This is, of course, Ameri-centric horseshit. American voting is reported on as white, black, Latino and not-statisitcally-significant. Meanwhile they’ll call other countries “ethnically homogenous” mostly because they don’t know anything about any other countries or literally thousands of years of finding any reason to hate each other. Motherfucker I don’t care if we’re genetically identical I’ll be dead and buried before I vote for a fucking Walloon/Protestant/Catholic/Silesian/Scouser/Galician/Lombard/Frisian (delete as appropriate). They haven’t at any point all been thrown into a cage, deprived of their heritage and told “nah you’re just black/mexican now”. And it ignores that yes, global migration is global. Every colonial state has left people behind in its former colonies, and found themselves with former subjects as citizens too.
Wow, chill out! I was very careful to use the word more. I didn’t say other countries are ethnically homogenous in the absolute sense, just relative to the US. Take Japan for example. Yes, there are quite a lot of ethnic minorities in Japan (both indigenous and foreign) however well over 90% of the country identifies only as Japanese and nothing else. This is a very different picture from the US.
You can see a similar story many other countries but not all. India, for example, has many ethnic groups which are strongly distinguished by language, religion, and culture. It’s also the case that ethnicity plays a major role in the politics of India and that role has been increasing of late, not diminishing.
“I just got back from touring Ireland. It’s wild over there. It just goes to show that without blacks, Jews, or Mexicans, people will improvise!”
-Jimmie Walker
As an outsider, my guess is to construct and and cultivate the idea that minorities vote in a block. I mean, no one literally needs to be told that non white people all vote for the same person or anything. However, it only has to work just enough to make just enough white people vote down racial lines.
Ignoring the whole propagandized media thing again.
I’m all for not scapegoating any minority, since what’s notable about the Black vote is roughly the same as for Latin American, younger demographics, and so on: it isn’t that they are “to blame,” it’s that the support increased over 2016 or 2020.
So while it’s a good reminder not to scapegoat, we definitely still need to talk and think about how different demographics (who will absolutely lose rights and opportunities under Trump) looked at Trump and decided to say, “more, please,” if we’re ever going to get out of this mess.
There’s that quote that said something along the lines of give poor white men someone to look down on and they’ll empty their pockets for you. I think that’s one of the reasons latino voters voted for Trump. There was a lot of misinformation demonizing Venezuelan immigrants in spanish and I think that led a lot of these morons to believe they were part of the “in” group and they would benefit.
LBJ said it:
“If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you. - Lyndon B. Johnson”
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/9150190-if-you-can-convince-the-lowest-white-man-he-s-better
Had a similar thought and you put it very well! AP VoteCast data here is helpful on this point (caveat that final numbers are probably still not in yet)
The moderate wing feels entitled to those votes.
And for whatever reason they keep doubling down on refusing to do voter outreach and listening to what Dem voters want. Current leadership will never back away from the strategy of:
What are ya gonna do, vote R?
Because it’s obviously not working. As long as we allow the DNC to prioritize rewarding donor bundlers with leadership positions, it’ll never change.
The only metric is bringing money in, so whoever pays the most gets to determine the party platform.
Which wouldn’t suck so much if the DNC was the furthest right option. When that’s how the furtherest left option acts, turnout will always be abysmal and even when we “win” we still lose and billionaires always win.
Moronic hot take.
The idea is that if trump threatens to kick nonwhites in the nuts it makes no sense for them to vote for him. When they do, it’s not that moderates are entitled, it’s that as a minority you voted like a fucking idiot.
Sheep vote for wolf: “Why do cows think they deserve the sheep vote?!”. JFC are you asleep at the wheel?
Because of citizens united, money decides election wins. So how do we win without donors?
They outspent and lost this time.
That doesn’t mean we can win without donors. Republicans had foreign bots and billionaires buying votes.
Ever hear the one about wrestling a pig in the mud?
Why are you avoiding the question?
There isn’t a question in your previous comment.
And apparently you haven’t heard the one.
You don’t wrestle a pig in mud because it gets mud all over you and the pig likes it.
It will only drive up donorship to the Republicans and foster more lenient
briberydonation policy from the Democrats going forward.The Democrats need to actually submit themselves to overhauling campaign funding if they want to make any headway. But they want that money. They want it more than they want any of their alleged policy goals.
Because of citizens united, money decides election wins. So how do we win without donors?
This was the question that you are avoiding.
To overhaul campaign funding they need to win. For that to happen they need donors.
Also, just because a saying exists doesn’t make it right.
Instead the base should focus their anger on the democratic party itself. Give us something to fight for or keep losing
Haven’t had a real primary since 2008. WTF is this anti democratic “superdelegate” bullshit?
The party leadership has been captured by big money donors.
Every election cycle, the Democrats and media start to fret about the black vote. Will black women turn out? Will black men vote correctly? And this cycle culminated in the Obamas going on a “pull your pants up and vote” tour to boost turnout.
Now I’m not black, but I recognize double standards and condescension. I wouldn’t want to be treated that way.
After the election, Latinos have been targeted by progressive rage and lashing out. I’ve seen people that I used to respect say that they deserve to be deported because of their vote.
So black folks, brown folks, Hispanics, etc go ahead and vote for trump. Fuck around and find out. DNC sucks balls, but if you can’t vote minimally in your own interests you’re about to get what’s coming to you. Sorry about ya, the writing is on the wall.
My Indiana coastal elite D voting ass is not spending any more time or energy saving morons from their own vote.
What, they demanded incompetent racist fuckery. Order up! The fact that they brought down all women with them is, like, a bonus.
