So I’ve been barely active on Lemmy for a litany of reasons but I am active elsewhere. Specifically, Bluesky. I run an account that I’ve posted here a couple times called the Starfleet Press Office where I post lil tweets that take place kinda within the Star Trek universe, breaking the fourth wall to an extent. The idea is that the Department of Temporal Investigations owed a favor to the team in charge of the S.P.O so he got a temporal link to Bsky set up. For fun. So random tweets get posted that are commenting on current episodes (A few were made for different Lower Decks episodes as they were posted), other ones about just random events in the universe that I think would be funny (sometimes lining up with holidays, like some Santa teleportation nonsense), and others that take real world events and parody them in the Star Trek universe, like the ferengi CEO of a health insurance conglomerate getting killed.
I’m clearly doing something right because @RealGulDukat, the guy who posts Trump tweets as if Dukat said them, follows only 13 people on Bsky and one of them is me. So whatever nonsense I keep posting I’m just gonna stick with. Drop by and say hi!
Every time I see this, I’m reminded of the weird right wing star trek subreddit called
r/star_trekwhere people disagreed with this. It was wild that they “watched” the same shows where it literally has every single of these characters and went “nah I disagree”The Boys got too woke in later seasons. Black Dr. Who is just forced DEI politics. Heisenberg is actually an american icon for supporting his family and working two jobs while having cancer. Real Jedis would vote Trump for peace in the galaxy.
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Deep Space Nine wasn’t woke because I hadn’t been radicalised when it was produced. Your move, snowflake
Woke is the new sheeple. In that…anyone who says is unironically is you know they’re an absolute moron parroting the latest talking points they were told to be outraged at.
The only people who say this shit are people who saw a thirty-second segment on Fox News. Star Trek and Star Wars have been woke for as long as they’ve existed, and that’s partly why they’re so fantastic.
Woke, you say? Dare I remind people what racial tensions were like when this episode came out in (checks notes) 1968?
Why were people outraged? That’s clearly an alien woman and not a black woman that Kirk has his tongue jammed down the throat of. /s
The bad guys were also telekinetically forcing them to do it.
Yes. And all those cat girls are really 3000 years old.
Sisko was obviously space Moses, not space Jesus.
Every societal change that’s happened before I was born was just the natural way of things and needs to be preserved.
Every societal change that’s happened after I was born is the evil work of the woke devil worshippers destroying society.If you go back a little in time me you can talk about how rock music and the shaking of hips would destroy society. A little further and it was the first kiss on screen.
This is true of every generation it seems. Here is a supposed quote from King Naram Sin of Chaldea, 3800 years B.C
“We have fallen upon evil times and the world has waxed very old and wicked. Politics are very corrupt. Children are no longer respectful to their parents.”
People used to think the sound of a flushing toilet onscreen would destroy society. Moral puritans are garbage
Heard this on QI from Jimmy Carr; when film technology started, horses were still commonplace and horseshit was everywhere and slipping on some wasn’t something unheard of. Obviously it’s fun to laugh at the misfortune of others so they wanted to show that in films, but couldn’t put in shit — as they’re making art — that it was replaced with the innocuous banana peel.
Granted it would be quite different if in Mario Kart you tossed shit at others instead of bananas.
I would play as donkey kong every. single. game. Grand prix as a shit flinging ape? oh fuck yes
Why am I blanking on “Communist Himbo”? Is that supposed to be Rom?
That is always the consensus whenever this is reposted, but I would argue that description doesn’t really fit. Rom is too clever and not hypermasculine enough
Yeah, that’s my guess. He did quote the Communist Manifesto
Formed a union, charmed one of the most beautiful women in the quadrant, saved that quadrant with a mix of intelligence and courage, raised his son to be a war hero, and eventually became the Grand Nagus.
We Stan Rom in this house.
We Stan Rom in this house.
If you haven’t seen Ron’s guest appearance in Star Trek: Lower Decks, be sure to check it out. It’s a delight.
I’ve only seen the first season so far (my borg-loving husband won rock paper scissors, and we’re finishing voyager first), but that’s wild. I’m very excited for Rom’s character development.
DS9 is the Star Trek series with the most (and best) character development. Rom is only a recurring secondary character, yet look at the discussion here! And wait until you get to Nog’s character development…
Nearly every character had a good level of character development, from the main cast to reoccurring characters. Damar l, Dukat, Kai Winn, hell even Morn has character development, the writing team on DS9 were next level with writing of characters. There’s more character growth in one season of DS9 than the entirety of game of thrones.
While leading a labor strike and rejecting his employer’s bid to undermine the union with a literal back room deal.
It’s %100 rom and it’s a perfect description of him
What threw me off was “main characters.” If I thought recurring characters were included I would’ve gotten it in one.
Are you honestly suggesting Rom is not a himbo? He is smart but… come on now.
He’s a mechanical genius. He could have been the chief engineer of a starship.
Now? It’s amazing how people either didn’t know or willingly ignored TOS. Think about the episode with the half and half people, or the first time there was an interracial kiss. Star Trek has been “woke” since the 60s.
Slight correction but TOS didn’t have the first interracial kiss. A very, very early one, but not the first.
Not that it makes the kiss mean any less, just a clarification for future reference. So many people are assholes and I’ve seen them use that oft made mistake to try and discredit everything else someone says.
Obviously Gene would rather be horny than racist.
Slight correction but TOS didn’t have the first interracial kiss. A very, very early one, but not the first.
Do I recall correctly that Trek did have the first one aired at primetime? I feel like I read that somewhere, but I don’t have a source.
It is like the second one showing on national tv in the US.
Still pretty woke though.
Huh, didn’t know that. I thought it was the first aired during prime time. So who does that award go to?
So it’s awkward to make the distinction (“I think not being racist is the new racism”), but based on that article, it does seem to be the first romantic kiss–I know it’s mind control in the episode, stop picking at me mid-sentence–on US television between black and white people specifically. The previous examples were arguably less taboo for their time, being between Hispanic and white and Asian and white partners. They each represent their own milestones.
I think part of the confusion probably comes from the fact that “interracial” is sometimes used specifically to refer to black and white pairings, so when people say it’s the “first interracial kiss”, that is what they mean. This is an incorrect usage and dismissive of other interracial pairings, but I don’t know if there’s a more specific word for different pairings and you sound like a creep drilling down into the subject this much, as you can see from this comment right now.
Trying to discuss race as category at all almost always ends with either feeling creepy or really leaning into it in a creepy way. It’s about as scientific as discussing skull shape or star signs, it’s just so institutionalized that it feels real… Until you poke at it, and realize I love Lucy was both interracial and not, because Reasons™
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-KoABq6ygA
You might appreciate this.
Idk about “being anti-racist is the new racism” but i do know anti-racism is hollow without opposing imperialism", signal boosting where i found that: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCC6o7j4ZNNziKnCyds8-XzA
I don’t see how the Trill experience is like the trans experience in anything but the most superficial way. Unless we’re saying that a trans person’s new identity is something that was external and has since been imposed and internalized.
But that doesn’t get it right either. Every trans person I’ve met has rejected their previous identity and adopted a new one, but Trill incorporate their old identity into the new, and form a kind of synthesis.
The last part I find incongruous is that trans people work so hard to align their physical presentation with their internal experience so that others’ treatment of them reflects their self-perception but Trill defy this. Jadzia Dax presents very strongly as fem but behaves very outwardly as masc. This is a character ultimately designed to satisfy the male gaze and the male desire for a “drinking buddy”; i.e. the “action girl” trope.
Jadzia Dax presents very strongly as fem but behaves very outwardly as masc.
But the bit that matters is that characters we’re meant to admire chose to accept Dax as they presented at any given time, without giving them needless crap for it.
I recall most LGBT characters on TV at the time had to accept a studio mandated minimum quota of jokes at their expense.
Dax was refreshingly different, in being allowed to present as LGBT and as a heartthrob love interest.
(And bonus kudos to Garak the Simple Taylor for also being an LGBT heart-throb love interest when that certainly wasn’t allowed by the studios.)
This is a character ultimately designed to satisfy the male gaze and the male desire for a “drinking buddy”; i.e. the “action girl” trope.
I mean, yeah. You’re very correct that Dax is about male gaze much more than Trans representation.
But this sign I had made special for Star Trek applies once again:
Empathy through horniness still technically counts as progress.
Lol.
I am trans. Your take is not accurate. There is literally no way to transition and at the same time, forget/abandon who you are as a person; skills, core values, ethics, hobbies, likes, dislikes, etc, etc. They persist.
What changes is what a person is “allowed” to like/feel/express.
I enjoyed star trek before it got woke. I still enjoy
TNGTOSThe CageThe intro. There’s nothing woke about “space”Lol. I’m gonna steal that. The first word of the first episode intro is indeed, pretty politically neutral.
Now I want someone to over interpret it in both ways
Honestly, exploring for exploration’s sake (as opposed to conquest or resource extraction) is pretty woke too.
True, but “the final frontier” sounds alot like Manifest Destiny and makes the US look like the humanistic project the federation is. I think star trek plays both teams and actually always wins. It appeals to those who like hierarchical militaristic power structures while giving a utopian one to those unsatisfied with the real ones. Don’t get me wrong, I read it as a left utopia but I have my issues and see how people from other points of the spectrum enjoy it too.
Except for the one inconvenient point that the entire series is predicted on THE ENTIRE SPECIES GOING WOKE AND NOT BICKERING OVER IT.
Do we seriously think us ugly bags of mostly water could get safely out to the hard vacuum of space without a lengthy bout of cooperation and super-getting-along powers?
I suspect we are actually upset about is the in-your-face woke tropes that are used as 2x4s with nails driven through them as devices to drive the narrative. But that’s not just trek, that’s kinda all modern media. It’s almost like the corresponding rise in incivility and everyday life is being protested, or warned against by the people doing the writing. I agree that it’s poorly executed but bad writing doesn’t mean that “being good and kind to one another” is a shitty idea, or that it’s impossible have characters acting with an enlightened humanity, which is all being “woke” actually is.
The lore does require a “nuclear horror” followed by the invention of faster-than-light travel (along with the energy source to power same) and then meeting sentient spacefaring aliens, like, a few minutes later.
Woke was never the problem.
The virtue signalling to cover up terrible writing, acting and directing, is. DS9 was awesome, just like TNG. Any star trek after 2000 has just been anything but good, anything but star trek.
The Orville is a great example of how to upgrade star trek for modern times, it was the star trek we never got
Strange New Worlds is good, at least S1 (haven’t watched S2 yet)
The Orville is painfully derivative. It’s not the Star Trek show we never got, it’s reheated leftovers of the Star Trek show we already had thirty years ago.
NuTrek has certainly had its writing failures (looking in Picard’s direction), but at least it generally tried to let the franchise evolve.
And none of those failures had anything to do with “virtue signalling”. They’ve mostly been the result of committing to a season long arc with no meaningful plan and fumbling the ball halfway to the finish line.
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I wish anybody would make something as woke as DS9 again
Yeah!
Weirdly, The Orville is the recently created media that stands closest, in my opinion.
I think it’s a far cry from DS9.
And I’m pretty sure I don’t share many politics with Seth MacFarlane.
But The Orville genuinely prioritizes asking the audience to reflect on tough topics through a lens of empathy and compromise.
@stamets is back!! We’ve missed you buddy!!!
<3 Hey buddy
I like the astromycology homage to the man, but boy it must be a weird feeling to have trek fans grabbing your real name as meme account handles online.
The real Paul Stamets is an anti-union man.
I literally could not care less what he thinks or how he feels. When he has an ounce of compassion, then maybe I’ll give a shit.
Aww man… He hired someone to manage the unionization process (they were bastards, because obviously they were, who isn’t a bastard that willingly works with management, jfc paul) who he soon fired when they started their union busting intimidation BS, then offered pretty extensive pay and perk increases to his workers. His employees then overwhelmingly voted not to unionize, in a process overseen directly by the WA secretary of state.
Paul is a brilliant mycologist and a truly terrible businessman - to that end, part of the promises he made to his employees was to step back from direct management and hire someone, you know, competent. But he’s also a very notorious hippy and the most vocal proponent of therapeutic psychedelics and psychedelic-enhanced therapy, and certain rightwing fuckwads have been absolutely trashing anyone that advocates anything to do with drug decriminalization. He deserves the criticism for hiring that group yes, fucking hell though even with that he’s done nothing to justify this extreme degree of loathing.
Thank you for everything Stamets
