As planned, the stunlock proceeds
I don’t think they want Obama running again… He whooped their ass twice.
Yep. That’s why it’s worded so that he couldn’t run again. Only allows non-consecutive two termers to run again.
It’s Grover Cleveland’s time to shine
It obviously won’t get close to passing but it would be incredible for Democrats if it did. He has zero margin in the House, nothing major is passing into law except tax cuts. All his executive order policies are inflationary.
So either he’s crashing the economy, taking the blame for continued inflation, or getting nothing of consequence done. And he’d be 83 and asking for four more years. He’d get crushed.
He will use Musk’s money, again, to cheat, again, in my opinion.
We’ve played this game twice now. Let’s not try a third game of fascism chicken
That said Obama vs trump would be a funny campaign. “My fellow Americans, look at this absolute buffoon. You want proof I’m a natural born citizen? I’ve been stuck here with him too.”
This amendment’s wording wouldn’t allow Obama or Clinton to run again. Only Trump.
He has never won as the incumbent.
I miss having this level of certainty that he has no chance.
That was one race, and during a pandemic that probably would have lost the race for any incumbent, whether it made logical sense or not.
Frankly I kind of wish he won his second term if he had to get another term at all. His bruised ego over losing, fear of legal consequences, and time away to stew on this have made him a far more dangerous president than last time.
And while i think he’d struggle in that scenario I’ve gotten very wary of people (myself included) thinking “he can’t possibly win in this scenario” because that’s twice now been the prelude to defeat. Wheras in 2020 he was taken as a serious threat from the start
Of course he will wreck the rather healthy US economy and break the unemployment record again, which he currently holds from his 1st term.
Seems more like someone sucking up to Trump rather than something they realistically believe they could get passed
And we were all overreacting about Roe v Wade. “Precedent”, “established law”, “checks and balances”. It could never happen, they said.
I really would like to see some of those checks and balances I’ve heard so much about. Must have gotten confused—it’s cheques for the rich, on our dime, to make their balance keeps going up.
That’s a really dangerous way of thinking. We can no longer normalize this stuff by going “it’ll never actually happen.” It CAN happen. Get your head out of the sand and stop minimizing the very real threat our democracy is facing.
What democracy? We’ve been living in a police state our entire lives. Talk about a dangerous way of thinking, ffs, how many hundreds of thousands of people were murdered under the Bush administration alone, and you act like that was just healthy democracy? Why were Bush and Obama on the same page about the erosion of our civil liberties and global imperialism? I swear, some of you are just miles from the correct explanation.
This one won’t happen though. It doesn’t have the votes. It would require a Constitutional amendment, and thus a LOT of Democrats on board.
You can’t freak out about every possible thing.
When every possible thing is this fucking freaky, we can indeed freak out about them.
Yeah there is less than zero percent chance this happens.
Reminder that they control all branches of government and can do whatever the hell they want.
Even though I partially agree that it’s probably somebody sucking up instead of them passing a “remove all term limits” bill instead.
Or maybe they’re just testing the waters and compliance of the people currently elected, heck if I know.
To amend the United States Constitution, a proposed amendment must be approved by Congress and ratified by three-fourths of the states. The process is outlined in Article V of the Constitution.
Congress: A two-thirds majority vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate is required
Constitutional convention: Two-thirds of state legislatures must call for a convention
Ratification: Three-fourths of state legislatures or conventions must ratify the amendment
Each state legislature must vote on the amendment in an up-or-down vote
State legislatures cannot change the language of the amendment
This is DOA
Seriously. It’s obviously abhorrent, but thankfully as of now there’s zero chance of it passing. Save your energy for the many things that warrant shock and disgust.
From the article:
Ogles’ resolution is tailored specifically to permit Trump to serve a third term, but not to allow three out of the four living former presidents to serve third terms.
It’s a Trump only privilege which, given the track record, could have been assumed, unfortunately.
What a frivolous waste of congressional speaking time. I thought these guys had real problems to solve? I thought Trump was gonna fix it all this time around? You’re telling me not even 1 week into his new term and he’s already thinking about how the job won’t be done in time?
Conservatives are pathetic.
On the other hand, better they do nothing than actuality successfully fucking everything up.
The worry is that perhaps Trump is smarter than he appears, and all he’s doing is showing his followers that he’s still all about setting up a autocratic government which they’ll get to be the muscle for, ready to do a violent takeover the moment elections stop working (just like last time, but this time better armed and better organised)
If this fails, you can expect them to redefine what a “term” means. And if that fails they can simply cancel elections under “emergency” conditions and keep him in office for longer.
… and if that fails, they can just say “too bad” and do whatever they want anyway because who’s going to stop them?
And if everything they try fails then “see it wasn’t so bad”
I just want to point out that this is just one of the many many campaign promises he is trying to fulfill. Sure, it’s a big deal. But simply saying “conservatives are pathetic” is not only reactionary, it is wrong. Look at what is happening to immigrants. You might not see them as a problem, but conservatives do, and they are “solving” it.
Just saying, this shit is way scarier this time around. They’re fuckin’ moving.
Trump is not exactly a spring chicken. He is one mild medical event to being in the history book.
Great, than we end up with Vance aka the young, healthy, couch-fucking, monarchist who lacks Trump’s compulsive need for worship.
Vance used to be the face of Never Trump, which makes his actual motives a mystery. The best possibility would rely on him pulling a long con, but so would the worst possibility.
COVID nearly killed him and RFK is antivax sycophant. I’m not a betting man but…
A constitutional amendment required 2/3s House and Senate AND 3/4 of states. And they don’t have that. This is more bullshit to distract.
To amend the U.S. Constitution, a proposed amendment must be approved by a two-thirds majority in both the House of Representatives and the Senate, and then ratified by three-fourths of the state legislatures (38 out of 50 states). Alternatively, an amendment can be proposed by a constitutional convention called for by two-thirds of the state legislatures, but this method has never been used.
This is more bullshit to distract.
This is saying it louder for the people in the back. Musk’s Nazi Salute isn’t getting the message across? Okay, how about this?
They so desperatly want a hidden militia to come out of the woodwork and coup the country for them
Those people are either dead from covid, too old to fight for their coup, or are just LARPers and actually aren’t interested in dying for a con man.
The ones Trump let out of prison were willing to do violence, including killing police officers. They’re a credible threat.
That’s not enough people, but we should definitely watch them
well a shit ton were just released from jail after being paroled for j6
Laws don’t apply to trump.
So if people commit crimes against Trump, he isn’t protected? No laws right?
Depends on the crime. One would think the Second Amendment might cover some crimes.
He’s protected by his sycophant, who have unlimited money.
I mean, kind of. People only follow laws because they believe that the laws will shield them when it is their turn. Otherwise it’s just ‘those with power do what they want.’
When regular people stop believing in the law, you get Luigis.
They don’t apply to Biden either
Ok. How many votes do they need to change the rule governing how many votes a constitutional amendment requires?
That would also be an amendment to the Constitution.
The last amendment that passed took over 200 years to get through the process.
True, but that’s mainly because they forgot about it.
the same amount,
The United States Constitution Article V:
The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.
Wonderful idea, I can’t wait for a third Obama term.
It’s written to exclude Obama.
Good job guys, you saved Palestine!
Fuck you, that wasn’t why Trump won. It was because Dems offer nothing but the avoidance of something worse.
I’m outraged at the genocide and voted for Biden anyway. People can be mad at Dems and demand better without being responsible for their failure.
The American people failed.
This was fucking advertised. This was chosen. This was voted for.
Stupidest populous on earth.
How is any of this “chosen” when everything is gerrymandered and rigged?
Our biggest fault was being the frog who stayed in the water while it was heating up. We have just slowly been giving up freedoms with a little fuss but not enough to matter. We need to learn to say no firmly and with conviction.
Any obstacles to electing someone else could have easily been overcome.
If “Did Not Vote” was a candidate:
This was completely preventable.
Gerrymandering doesn’t exist in your presidential election.
The majority of Americans supports - or at the very least is neutral towards - Trump. You can blame this on a lot of factors such as misinformation and lack of education but this doesn’t change the general attitude.
Lol what do you think the electoral.college is???
The electoral college has bias towards states with lower populations but it’s not gerrymandering.
Gerrymandering is specifically drawing district borders to guarantee victory with a minority of votes.
The US presidential election would be gerrymandered if some states decided to go through mitosis to get more electoral votes for their party.
Something like 49% of eligible voters voted for Trump. And many eligible voters don’t vote. So no, factually, you are incorrect. A lot of people here are too poor to give a shit about politics and are completely unengaged.
Many eligble voters don’t vote
People who don’t vote either cannot vote due to discrimination or don’t vote because they are neutral towards the winner:
Overall, 10% of Americans are what we call Bystanders, or the politically disengaged, according to Pew Research Center’s Political Typology report. None of this cohort say they’re registered to vote, and none say they follow government and public affairs most of the time.
If you don’t care about politics, you are not opposed to Trump.
Anyone downvoting you is an idiot. This is exactly the situation the American people have been in.
I’m with you until the last sentence. Fewer than 50% of American voters voted for Trump.
Two thirds of Americans were fine with Trump being elected.
The avoidance of all of this is probably the single most motivating thing in existence. Implying otherwise is strange.
You don’t sleep in your actively burning home because none of the local hotels tickle your fancy.
Which is why I voted for the lady who refused to condemn genocide. What are you arguing?
Dems are center right. They have been for a long time because of cold war propaganda and brainwashing. That doesn’t mean I won’t vote against fascism. It means we need better alternatives.
Why are y’all still fighting about this? Your farce of an election is over, what purpose does this ceaseless bickering serve?
“It is imperative that we provide President Trump with every resource necessary to correct the disastrous course set by the Biden administration,” Ogles said in a statement
so Biden created a bad situation for him in 4 years, yet he thinks Trump needs 8 years to undo it. Sounds like a skill issue to me.
The neo-Nazi filled GOP can shove their 3rd term idea where the sun does not shine.
Obama returns to the presidency in 2028!
''No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than three times, nor be elected to any additional term after being elected to two consecutive terms," the amendment states. Former Presidents Bill Clinton, George W. Bush and Barack Obama all served two consecutive terms, and thus would be barred from being elected to a third term. But not Trump, who is the first president since Grover Cleveland in 1892 to be elected to a second, non-consecutive term.
It doesn’t really matter. Getting a new constitutional amendment ratified is basically impossible at this point.
bet they try to take it to the supreme court “whaaa the congress won’t give me a dictatorship whaaa” and the court just fucks us all.
I really don’t understand why people are adamant that this is trump’s own personal court. The court is, as always, working in their own interest, and it’s not in their interest to cede all their own power to trump.
Own interests? Brother, they’re ancient and most are courting billionaires like Harland Crow
I really don’t understand why people are adamant that this is trump’s own personal court.
just one of those mysteries of life I suppose…
er, wait a moment, it’s not mysterious at all, where the fuck have you been?
Not paying attention. He already served two consecutive terms. Can’t run for a third unless you win a term them lose a term then win a term and need a third term to actually get shit done.
'No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than three times, nor be elected to any additional term after being elected to two consecutive terms," the amendment states. Former Presidents Bill Clinton, George W. Bush and Barack Obama all served two consecutive terms, and thus would be barred from being elected to a third term. But not Trump, who is the first president since Grover Cleveland in 1892 to be elected to a second, non-consecutive term.
So only unpopular 3 terms allowed? Yeah, that seems reasonable. Standard playbook
So if Carter rises from the dead he can get a solid 8y in?
Bring back Grover Cleveland!
This is the real power move. If trump can run again so can Obama.
No, because Obama has been elected two consecutive terms.
