Summary
A Canadian parliamentary petition to revoke Elon Musk’s citizenship has gathered over 150,000 signatures.
Launched by author Qualia Reed and sponsored by MP Charlie Angus, the petition accuses Musk of undermining Canada’s sovereignty due to his ties to Trump, who has repeatedly suggested annexing Canada.
Musk is a Canadian citizen through his mother. The petition will be presented to the House of Commons, which resumes on March 24.
While I don’t think it’s possible to revoke his citizenship it might be possible to try him for treason against ‘his’ country.
There is precedent to revoke his citizenship.
In the 1980s, there was another extremist who used his international media platform to spew hate and disinformation. His name was Ernst Zundel. He continually laughed at Canada’s laws against hate speech. He was ultimately jailed and then deported from our country.
(FYI Charlie Angus is a Member of Parliament in Canada.)
https://charlieangus.substack.com/p/musk-doesnt-deserve-canadian-citizenship
Edit to fix word
(FYI Charlie Angus is a Minister of Parliament in Canada.)
Member of Parliament. He’s a part of the NDP opposition party. Ministers are heads of ministries, which are like departments, and ministers have traditionally been from the governing party.
You’re right. My bad.
You know it’s serious because they didn’t even say “sorry.”
Why? Lol just because you hate Trump? He’s not even living in Canada lol and that sets a dangerous precedent anyway. Pretty stupid and childish just because Trump called Canada the 51st state lmao
Here’s a deal. We will take Musk if the Toronto Maple Leafs win the cup this year.
Can Americans sign this petition also?
It’s nearly impossible to relinquish your own citizenship, how many people is it gonna take to take someone else’s citizenship?
Don’t care, still want to sign it.
It would only take one, actually.
Add mine to the total. Stop buying Teslas Don’t use his internet service that pollutes the night sky Just a big thumbs down to this pseudo nazi.
While reducing his sources of income will hurt him a little bit, unfortunately Starlink is very appealing to militaries and emergency services. Being able to access the internet is great for morale in the navy, and mission critical for plenty of emergency services. This is particularly true in Australia where we have vast unpopulated areas with very patchy phone coverage, let alone bandwidth for data services. I know some services are installing starlink as emergency backups for stations and in forward command vehicles. They’ll be paying the big bucks for Starlink.
Talking about musk is how he really gets his power.
I think the only solution is to excommunicate him and deny any suggestion made by people who support him.
If it involves musk, it should be a no-go from the get-go.
Elon Musn’t
Oh, Elon is a real Nazi alright. No doubt about that.
I am hoping that he is marked as treasonous. The sooner that members of Yarvin’s Cabal end up on wanted posters throughout the world, the better.
I would be surprised if this sort of thing was possible and I’m pretty sure it’s not and im pretty sure it’s a good thing that it’s not
Sadly, it is. Britain did it a few years ago to some kid that joined IS. She held rights to a passport to a country that she had never been even visited and that was enough for the Home Office to yank her British one.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shamima_Begum
A pretty tragic tale imo
She didn’t have the passport at that time, while musk has probably a bunch of them stashed away. What the British did was directly going against the UDHR, but musk can suck it.
Charlie Angus wrote about why he’s helping to push this through, giving valid legal reasons why it should be done. Seeing as he’s a current MP in Canada’s parliament I’ll believe him before I believe you.
https://charlieangus.substack.com/p/musk-doesnt-deserve-canadian-citizenship
“Oh no, how do we make sure Diet Hitler stays a Canadian citizen?”
Wtf is your thought process, my dude?
More like there’s systems in place to prevent countries from creating a stateless person, who would have no rights anywhere.
Just because it sounds nice to happen to people you don’t agree with, it’s still something that shouldn’t be allowed to happen.
Musk has dual citizenship, revoking his Canadian citizenship would not make him stateless.
Well then Chuck him out on his ass
Yup. South Africa (birth), Canada (through his mother) and America.
Or maybe don’t ruin millions of people’s lives? From what I understand Canada does have this sort of legal process for exiling people
I would be surprised if this sort of thing was possible and I’m pretty sure it’s not and im pretty sure it’s a good thing that it’s not
It isn’t in the US, but the US is not all countries.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afroyim_v._Rusk
Afroyim v. Rusk, 387 U.S. 253 (1967), was a landmark decision of the Supreme Court of the United States, which ruled that citizens of the United States may not be deprived of their citizenship involuntarily.[1][2][3] The U.S. government had attempted to revoke the citizenship of Beys Afroyim, a man born in Poland, because he had cast a vote in an Israeli election after becoming a naturalized U.S. citizen. The Supreme Court decided that Afroyim’s right to retain his citizenship was guaranteed by the Citizenship Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution. In so doing, the Court struck down a federal law mandating loss of U.S. citizenship for voting in a foreign election—thereby overruling one of its own precedents, Perez v. Brownell (1958), in which it had upheld loss of citizenship under similar circumstances less than a decade earlier.
EDIT: I haven’t previously read up on citizenship law for Canada, so I don’t know if this is missing relevant Canadian citizenship law, but a quick search suggests that Canadian law doesn’t permit for executive removal of citizenship either:
https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-29/page-3.html
Loss of Citizenship
Marginal note:No loss except as provided
7 A person who is a citizen shall not cease to be a citizen except in accordance with this Part or regulations made under paragraph 27(1)(j.1).
None of that section nor paragraph 27 looks like it provides for involuntary removal of Canadian citizenship.
That being said, there is a question of whether this is ordinary federal law or constitutional law. I don’t know how one determines that.
In the US, Afroyim v. Rusk found that the US Constitution disallowed removal of citizenship. There is a high bar to modify the US Constitution – a majority of both legislatures in a three-quarters supermajority of state legislatures need to approve of a constitutional amendment. This is considerably higher than the bar to pass ordinary federal law, which is just a simple majority in the House, Senate, and the President, or a two-thirds supermajority in both the House and Senate.
Canada’s constitutional situation is complicated. Canada started out following the UK model, where Parliament can change any law it wants to as easily as any other – there is no “higher law” like a constitution. At the time that Canada got split off from the UK at a constitutional level, some of Canadian law was decided to be part of the constitution and some not…but it was never defined exactly what law was and what wasn’t, so I understand that courts have been working that out ever since. The constitution isn’t simply a separate document, as in the US.
Also, different parts of Canada’s constitution have different bars for amendment.
So I don’t know for sure how strong this constraint is; it might be that the Canadian legislature could remove this bar as readily as they would a typical law.
EDIT2: Someone else pointed out the Shamima Begum case below, where the British executive removed someone’s citizenship. I followed that and commented on it when it happened, and it is definitely possible for the executive to strip a citizen’s citizenship in the UK; the law explicitly provides for it.
I was fairly concerned about this at the time it was in the news, because most other legal rights depend on citizenship. If you can remove someone’s citizenship, you can remove most of their other legal rights and protections.
…Especially since the alternative could be just charging him with treason or something.
The gov’t doesn’t have to charge him with treason to revoke his citizenship. They only have to prove that he committed it.
And then give the US a reason to retaliate against Canada…
It is legal. And I’m hoping they yank it.
Vox populi vox Dei
At just over 179k signatures now.Now at over 183k.187k+190k+ (seems to be speeding up)Just over 200k now!Almost 208k. About 5000 per hr signing.
I dont like musk, but revoking citizenship is a slippery slope that we should not go down. It will become political very quickly where if the government doesn’t like someone because they don’t agree with them then they have that avenue.
Musk is terrible but this move doesn’t do much against him and it only hurts the future for others.
Based af
Why is this downvoted? This is a valid argument. Revoking citizenship because we don’t like them? Seriously? Either this whole thing is a joke and I don’t get it or we have some 150k nationalistic anti-democracy radicals signing this.
Do it Canada! Do not hesitate.
In like the 1940s Elon Musk’s grandfather was a chiropractor in Regina, Saskatchewan and was arrested by the RCMP for being a central figure in an organization that was trying to overthrow the government and install a technocracy. I’m not kidding.
After that is when he fucked off to South Africa to partake in the Apartheid.
I realy want to belive this to be true, but I have to ask for a source on this one.
I don’t blame you, because what the fuck lol: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_N._Haldeman
Thanks. And wow… Just… Wow.
There’s a two parter behind the bastards that also goes into this
Is there a way to get a source for behind the bastards without ads? Like some podcasts let you pay a subscription and you get access to an ad free version
Yea, Apple Podcasts or iHeartRadio has that.
So Iheart has a subscription. Gets you access to their content ad free
Oh nice so that gets you like a link to be able to use your own podcast downloader?
Especially since the emerald mine thing turned out to be a hoax.
What hoax?
From his own mouth:
but my father also had a share in an Emerald mine in Zambia.
https://www.snopes.com/news/2022/11/17/elon-musk-emerald-mine/
Here’s a summary of our findings: We located reporting from as far back as 2009 and 2014 that said when Elon Musk (“Elon” hereafter) was a child in South Africa in the 1980s, his father (“Errol” hereafter) at some point owned “a stake in an emerald mine” near Lake Tanganyika in Zambia, not South Africa. Beyond that, we were unable to find any evidence that showed money generated from his father’s involvement in the mine helped Elon build his wealth in North America.
I once owned a share of Microsoft, therefore I owe any success to that.
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Supervisor: Hey, um, I think you forgot to include sources in your thesis?
Grad student: You can also look up a source. It’s real easy these days, with the little supercomputers in all our pockets.
Some people like to converse with others, we’re not all robots.
That’s how I feel every time someone makes that stupid remark… if I didn’t want to interact with people, I wouldn’t be online, duh. I especially love being able to ask questions in real-time and verify the answers when it’s important to me.
For me, it’s not even about the interaction. “Do your own research” is conspiracy ideologists language for “trust me brah” and we should be better than that. Whatever they claim may simply not be true and “look it up yourself” is just a means to waste everybody’s time because there isn’t anything to look up. Not to mention, whoever made the claim should already have at least an idea where they got the claim so why send everybody on a wild goose chase when they can simply link to it?
I almost always include links, but not always when it’s something I’ve already linked to dozens of times. In that case, I figure if people are interested enough, they’ll want to do their own research… and if they’re not, then I’m not gonna continue wasting my time just because someone wants to argue again.
we’re not all robots
Sounds like something a robot would say…
Beep boop beep boop
I mean…
What YOU said sounds like something a robot would say… 🤔
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Condescending, then gets upset for being called out for it; then doubles down, instead of recognizing the problem is, in fact, being condescending. Which, to recap, you began and then continued.
Bravo, bravo slow clap. I almost feel like I should expect a shrill cry to speak to the manager or something.
Lol. If you consider what they said an insult, what you said is certainly one by your own standards. Maybe don’t be shitty to people for no reason if you’re concerned about such things.
Can Americans do this too?
They already voted, leave them cook.
I forgot he had Canadian citizenship, I wonder if any Republicans have enough of a spine to pressure him into relinquishing it.
Let’s not get too hasty there. Canada should focus on finding an extraditable offense for this Canadian citizen. I doubt the US will extradite him, but others may. It sounds like Canada could make it hard for elon to travel if they tried.
Republicans don’t like Canada. All the speaking French and free healthcare and such.
Canadians don’t like speaking French either haha
But we like French speakers because we know they aren’t American
It’s not free, taxes are what pay for healthcare.
You know what I mean, it’s free when you go to the doctor, no?
that’s “le docteur” to you
I’ve been saying that since Elon came out as a lover of orange mushrooms, that Trump will somehow sell him birthright citizenship. But the theory thst the whole annex Canada shit solves that issue is intriguing.
Why?
Managing optics. Like quitting before they have a chance to fire you kind of thing.
How does that help manage optics though?
Looks less weak.
It’s at 166k now
166k + 1 now
infinity
infinity plus one
d’oh!
