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Zelensky is surprisingly snappy. After getting used to the average politician he really surprised me. But yeah this response to the “two weeks” was gold.
Well Comedian probably handle hecklers
I get what you’re saying, survival matters more than anything to Ukraine. But he represents Ukraine on the world stage and that means what he says and does matters. If he does what you suggested, then he likes corrupt, which is already a perception that he is fighting.
He might also have seen that he had a chance to call out the bullshit that was being spread in the meeting as Macron and Starmer did
I think Zelensky was being quite mild only because he is in a very difficult position and he actually cares more about his country than himself unlike this orangegutan. So he kind of allowed Trump to get away with his dihheriacious comments. Had he been free of this restraint he would have easily buried him to the ground.
Zelenskyy is a fucking gigachad for saying that in the Oval Office. Fucking legend
I’m gonna be dog piled on for this but Zelensky should have just kissed the ring and moved on, he never had to even accept any deal at that time. But he shot himself in the foot with this administration and now has to play catch up.
Nb4 “trump evil, pj Vance is turd”
Yea I get it. The usual bot response. But think critically. This dudes country is being crushed and America, regardless of administration, is helping them. Zelensky came to the oval office for help but let his pride dictate policy. Rather than play to Trump’s tiny dick syndrome and get what he wanted.
Crushed? Are we watching the same reports? Russia is full of little bitches that can’t kill a sick puppy.
Take your own advice and “think critically”.
Trump just tried to extort them on TV dickhead.
But America isn’t helping Ukraine anymore and trump isnt offering to do so now what belp did he turn down. Be specific.
Trump is demanding mineral resources as well as forfeiture of the 20% of Ukrainian territory currently occupied by Russia in exchange for enacting some unspecified plan to get Russia to stop invading Ukraine.
Zelenski said sure, but he needs a security guarantee that if Russia continues invading Ukrainian territory the US will help defend Ukraine. This very reasonable
Trump refuses to offer that guarantee and offers no details on any plan to keep Putin from invading further.
From Zelenski’s perspective this is the US stealing his country’s mineral wealth for a Trump handshake, which is completely meaningless. It’s a bad deal and is unlikely to help the people of Ukraine
Can I ask a question in good faith? If Zelensky agrees to this deal without any “securities” how many Americans, and how much of the Army Core of Engineers are deployed to Ukraine to setup infrastructure?
What does a “mineral resource” look like? Is that a parcel? Or an operation? Who owns it?
And how is this not creating a defacto military base in Ukraine, Unspoken. And providing Ukraine with the American seal of security?
It’s all in the unspecified plan that Zelenski hasn’t seen, much less the press.
I’m reminded of Trump’s “concepts of a plan” for replacing the Affordable Care Act.
It sounds like there is no plan and this is just another grift
That was like seven questions.
1)…7) if any of us actually saw the actual deal it would be news
You’re assuming Trump was arguing in good faith. The mineral deal wasn’t ironclad, it was basically “We have minerals, possibly/likey good ones, you get dibs to help us dig them up.” Which is, depending on the details, a fine deal. Also, it’s got ambiguity.
So, given that that’s a future problem and has lots to sort out, it isn’t the worst deal to sign.
So! As you said, Zelensky should “kiss the ring”, well he was there to do that. That was a deal on the table. Zelensky was willing to make that deal.
Maybe I’m wrong and Zelensky and Trump sycophants never would have made a fair deal. Fine. I’m willing to accept that.
But we didn’t get that far. We got as far as Zelensky showing up in good faith, and Trump just shitting over everything.
This wasn’t going to work no matter how many rings you kissed because Trump isn’t a reasonable person, willing to actually fix things.
I watched the whole thing and I don’t even think Trump or Zelensky was the one to shit the bed. Vance opened his stupidouth and started a Chihuahua small dick energy environment. And Trump stepped in because he had to back up his own.
I do agree with you tho.
Vance was only doing what he and Trump planned. Trump wanted to be seen as the friendly one so he had Vance and far right reporters start the attacks.
There was never going to be a Ukraine deal, the whole thing was a performance to make it look like zelenskys fault and create drama and ratings - Trump: “this is going to be great television”
And they were trying to embarrass him on live TV and admit they are weak. Zelenksky cannot do this for morale reasons.
They were trying to get him to kiss his ass publicly and thank him for being manipulated for a minerals deal.
It was really ugly viewing.
Fuck that worm, Vance and fuck fragile Trump.
(I can probably take an educated guess, but) context?
While talking to zelensky, trump said something like the war in Ukraine could have ended in three days, and zelensky said ‘am I crazy or are you quoting Putin right now?’
I’m unwilling to listen to that embarrassing shit show again so that’s as accurate as I can get.
embarrassing shit show
^^ That is a excellent recap of the ambush “meeting”.
That video reduced my lifespan by at least a couple years. In his previous term he was a narcissistic asshole. Could barely put up with him back then. Right now, he is something else entirely. It is like he is actually a pokemon and he evolved into his final form after getting reelected.
Lol yeah. I watched that video two times because i showed it to someone but im never watching that shit again. One they are disgusting, two the amount of second hand embarrasment you get is way above my limit.
I forced myself through it, wretching every time that orange asshole opened his mouth to say something fucking stupid.
I hate him so goddamn much
Trump repeating a Russian talking points to Zelensky while obliterating the relationship.
Also Trump was wrong as usual. US support for Ukraine was pretty minimal at the start of the war. Nobody expected them to last long, why supply them with heavy weaponry if it would fall into Russia’s hands in a few weeks? Lesson learned from US support of Afghanistan in the 80’s and why the Afghanistan army didn’t receive them in the 2000s. Only after Ukraine proved themselves did the West ramp up support.
Well the US did send Javelin missiles to Ukraine before the start of the war… but only after Trump tried to hold them back in an extortion scheme on Zelenskyy to get him to smear Biden. That resulted in the first impeachment of Trump and since he’s a small and petty worm, he obviously holds a grudge.
And then he had the gall to tell Zelensky to his face ‘I’m the one that gave you javelins!’, even though they were both on that perfect phone call where he tried to extort him.
This is just leaking into my bubble and I don’t know how much of it I can take but as for this part - I’m here for it.
