• MacN'Cheezus@lemmy.todayEnglish
    1·
    3 months ago

    Okay, but even if you remove the ~6 million deaths from the holodomor, he still remains responsible for the ~800k executions and ~1.5 M gulag deaths. I’m not sure what’s so difficult to understand about that.

        • DarkCloud@lemmy.world
          1·
          3 months ago

          Past the numbers I told you about.

          I’m done here - you’re having a conversation with yourself at this point. I addressed the topic I addressed (the deaths from starvation Lysenkoism caused).

          • MacN'Cheezus@lemmy.todayEnglish
            1·
            3 months ago

            That’s immaterial. Stalin probably didn’t execute any of those 800k people himself, but he’s still responsible because he ordered their deaths. Likewise, it was him who put Lysenko into a position of power where he could cause the holodomor, so he’s at least partly responsible.

            It’s as if you’re arguing Hitler wasn’t responsible for Mengele’s torture experiments because it wasn’t him who was conducting them.

            • DarkCloud@lemmy.world
              1·
              3 months ago

              I feel you don’t know much about these subjects.

              Trofim Lysenko

              The downfall of Soviet genetics and agriculture occurred due to the alignment of numerous social, economic, scientific, meteorological, and political factors. No single person can bear complete blame for the events, but a crucial actor in the story was Trofim Lysenko. Lysenko was born to a Ukrainian…

              https://www.storybehindthescience.org/lysenkoism

              I also think you’re arguing just to argue rather than doing something more useful. As I said earlier, neither Mao or Stalin were aiming for a famine, where as Hitler was most definitely aiming for a mass genocide. So your comparison is full of shit.

              Bye.

              • MacN'Cheezus@lemmy.todayEnglish
                1·
                3 months ago

                Who put Lysenko in a position of power?

                As I said earlier, neither Mao or Stalin were aiming for a famine

                So that makes it okay? “Sorry bro, I just killed 6 million people but it wasn’t on purpose”

                • DarkCloud@lemmy.world
                  1·
                  3 months ago

                  Who put Lysenko in a position of power?

                  Look bud, I don’t have all day to teach you this shit. I’m not your mommy or daddy or the history teacher at the local school, so just stop bothering me with your lack of knowledge about this.

                  Lysenko was elected in 1945 to the ruling committee of the USSR Academy of Sciences—the top scientific institution in the country—numerous scientists spoke out against him, citing his poor scientific reputation [7]. Over the next several years, Lysenko was criticized numerous times, and there were even steps taken to open an institute of genetics [4]. From 1946-1947, up to 1.5 million people died within the Soviet Union due to famine [18]. Lysenko’s nadir during this period was reached in April of 1947, when he was harshly criticized by Russian chemist Yuri Zhdanov, who highlighted Lysenko’s failures. He pointed out the destructive manner in which Lysenko had demonized geneticists, and argued that monopolies in science inhibit advancement [4]. Zhdanov’s words were particularly dangerous for Lysenko, given that the chemist was from a family with close ties to Stalin (e.g., Zhdanov went on to eventually marry Stalin’s only daughter) and he was a member of the powerful Central Committee of the Communist Party [13].

                  He was a conman, go look it all up yourself. Learn to google.

                  • MacN'Cheezus@lemmy.todayEnglish
                    1·
                    3 months ago

                    He was a conman

                    What does that matter if Stalin fell for it? Again, it was Stalin who put him in the position where he could do all that damage.