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So glad they worked so hard in office to actually prevent the genocide
https://bsky.app/profile/dropsitenews.com/post/3lnvbkrokvk2p
Agreed.
It always warms my heart to hear how hard it was for Democrats to actually wield power when they had it, especially when Trump is giving a master class on the possibilities. It reminds me of all those times they asked us to empathize with how hard it is to legislate, conveniently, whenever we asked them to do something about the widespread impoverishment of people and the increasing cost-prohibitive pricing of food staples.
They always, always lean on excuses.
Yeah when was the last time you heard the excuse that “we just have to keep arming Israel because of geopolitical alliances?” They sure dropped that one quickly before morphing into blaming individuals for not further supporting it at the ballot box. No criticism for the 15 months of this under Biden. No criticism of the actual fucking Democratic candidates who chose to support this in their campaigns leading up to their entirely predictable losses.
It’s just excuse and scapegoat after excuse and scapegoat while they let the world burn around them because it’s good for their polling numbers in the next election.
If you look in this thread you’ll find one saying exactly that.
of course Biden couldn’t stop, they’re our biggest ally/if we stopped arming them their neighbors who Isreal keeps provoking and attacking would invade
Headline aside, the thread pretty clearly outlines that the US side were doing everything to prevent an actual genocide, even suggesting the neighboring arab states secure the gaza strip temporarily.
The major quotes about genocide being the plan were by the Israeli military veteran and ambassador to the US Michael Herzog, not the US.
No its literally biden doing his best to let it continue
https://bsky.app/profile/dropsitenews.com/post/3lnvbkvojms2p
Further on
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The fact that you can type all that and not see the truth of my words is astonishing. I don’t pretend the Biden admin approach was good, but he very clearly did not want a genocide.
If he very clearly didn’t want a genocide, wouldn’t he have taken action that would prevent it (or as much of it as reasonably possible) from continuing instead of just saying “You gotta stop it Jack!”?
They dont seem to accept “actions speak louder than words”
Which parts od ot do you think are positive for biden?
Which parts do you think show he was against the genocide?
He never once promoted or sought any Israel single state solution and was openly speaking with neighboring islamic states about ways to maintain Palestine in some meaningful way. He withheld large bomb shipments that Israel paid for, the intention being to keep them from being used on the raid of Rafah. Biden would spend large amounts of time on the phone with Netanyahu, often swearing and criticizing him. The aid pier distributed millions of pounds of food directly to Gaza Strip, quite the “empty gesture” that other commenters claim.
You all might think that amounts to nothing, but it’s a hell of a lot worse now that Biden is gone and Trump is in charge. I place the blame squarely on the criminal Israeli leadership, Netanyahu should have been removed from power when he was tried for corruption several years ago.
He withheld 2000lb bombs but eagerly sent them everything else, even to the point of ignoring our own laws.
And yet gave him everything he wanted and covered for Israel in the un
That seemingly lasted only long enough to help do a military raid into gaza.
Agreed. Although notice it didnt do anything to stop Biden from working with such a piece of shit.
“Biden gimme more bombs and bullets to kill more people. Also bring over your army tp shoot down all drones and missiles Iran could send to us.”
[1] “Nope, fuck off.”
[2] “Sure honey. While we are it, can you also publicly humiliate me? I will also state how i am a great Zionism supporter and i will stay by your side unwaveringly”
Biden actually withheld several shipments of large bombs that Israel paid for, and later Trump bragged about shipping them out.
The fact of the matter is the Biden admin never supported a single state solution or genocide while the Trump admin does and then some.
Your distrust of the Biden admin is exactly what Netanyahu wanted, and it succeeded beyond anybody’s wildest dreams.
Again, it was just optics. The US continued to deliver other bombs and Israel continued to massacre with them.
Also remember the entire “Aid pier” shenanigangs? All this alleged humanitarian tool ended up being used for was as a spearhead for a clandestine military operation hidden in aid trucks.
Reagan ended Israels attacks on Lebanon with a phone call. All Biden had to do was saying: “you dont get shit and we dont cover your ass unless ceasefire and full humanitarian access.”
Biden supported genocide. The genocide is committed with US weapons and he kept sending them. He even broke US laws to send them.
Look at actions not at words.
They do, but are saying it is an example of how Biden was trying to help gaza and Palestinians 😑🙃
Because there wasn’t an actual genocide in Gaza already? If they were trying to prevent a genocide they were failing miserably.
Genocide is the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group, according to Merriam Webster dictionary. Genocide is the murder of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group, with the aim of destroying that nation or group, according to Oxford.
The fact that we’re still talking about Palestine under Trump means it wasn’t eradicated under Biden. I’m sure the Israelis always planned for Genocide but I’m sure Biden was working to prevent it.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/12/amnesty-international-concludes-israel-is-committing-genocide-against-palestinians-in-gaza/
So the op is about how Biden was not doing anything to prevent it and how he was just letting them do whatever they wanted. Did you actually read any part of it?
Are you just arguing old talking points whenever you see people being critical of how Biden handled the situation?
I know this is a wordy response but you included a full fucking amnesty international article in your reply so if anything mine is much more concise.
The Amnesty International article your shared calls on USA, Germany, UK, and other key EU members to end shipments of arms to Israel. Full stop, that was never going to happen. To remove the largest strategic military position in the region is absolutely not on the table, whether we like it or not that is a fact. All of those nations, to some extent, heavily limited arms deals to Israel after the occupation began, which was good.
Hypothetically, if we did cut off all arms to Israel, then they would be surrounded by very angry adversaries that they have been fighting for almost a century. Israel would just become another slightly different genocide and you would be sitting there explaining it to the next generation the same way the old belligerent honkies are trying to explain it to us now.
The best possible outcome, in my opinion, would have been the USA removing Netanyahu from power by not acknowledging his authority after his previous removal for corruption and forcing a new election to be held in Israel.
The most realistic outcome would be propping up the Israelis, conditionally to the extent that they could lose some land to adversaries if they’re not following the rules, and also propping up Palestine starting with the rebuilding of their infrastructure and peacekeeping with foreign troops such that any attack on Palestinians could result in conflict with those nations.
I love you ignored the part of it being a genocide which is why I linked it.
And ignored the part of reading the article about how Biden refused to stop the genocide.
Now your argument is somehow rebuilding Palestinian land and doing peacekeeping, which again was something the us under Biden vetoed at the un
The US also proposed ceasefires to the UN which were also Vetoed by China.
1 which wasn’t an actual ceasefire, just a temporary one which Israel could use to rearm, which is why others vetoed it. There was even a vote later to have it turn into a permanent ceasefire but then the usa vetoed that.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/un-security-council-fails-pass-us-resolution-calling-immediate-ceasefire-gaza-2024-03-22/
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Dude, you know you’ve lost the plot when you’re resorting to deflecting and whataboutism.
When you have to start your argument with a fucking Merriam Webster definition, you should realize that your argument is shit. (This is of course the royal “you”)
Clearly my good faith discussion was wasted on you and Gofer.
If you look back on your exchange with Gofer you’ll find that you brought up a topic completely different from Gofer’s point not once but twice. No matter your political beliefs, that’s not good faith discussion. If anything it’s the sort of thing we (as in everyone to the left of Reagan) make fun of when right wingers and tankies do it.
The fact that you can listen to Stromae means that not all people of Tutsi descent are dead. There is no such thing as the Rwandan genocide! I guess since there are still Jewish and Romani people, the Nazi Party were not complicit in genocide either. Clearly not. Jewish and Romani people exist to this day. Some even live in Poland! What genocide? \s
You are a deeply unserious person. There is no chance in hell that you are arguing in good faith. You are arguing for the sake of arguing.
1.9 Million People live in the Gaza Strip, that’s 7 digits. Large numbers of them were displaced but still remain in Gaza, somewhere from 5 to 6 digits dead or injured, that leaves 7 digits still in Gaza. The Israelis and Trump’s Defence Secretary Pete Hegseth are talking about pushing all of them permanently out of the region, future tense.
The Rwandan Genocide happened, the Gaza Genocide is currently happening. It did not occur under Biden, would not have occurred under Harris.
EDIT: rough morning, digit numbers fixed
It's been a genocide for over a year
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Let’s not pretend that Trump’s plan to forcibly remove all Palestinians from Gaza isn’t a revival of the same plan put forth by Biden behind closed doors.
The only obligation the US has, under the Leahy Law and International Law, is to cease weapons transfers to Israel for violating human rights and perpetrating crimes against humanity.
Biden is a self proclaimed Zionist, he absolutely supported this genocide, both materially, diplomatically, and ideologically.
It’s been an attempted Genocide since before the festival attack ever even happened, but POTUS Joe Biden tried, albeit poorly, to stop it from succeeding. Now, under the new US admin, it is all but absolutely certain to succeed.
He didn’t, see the first link after the spoiler that has detailed accounts by human rights organizations and genocide scholars on how it has been an ongoing genocide well under Biden’s term. Optics is not action.
Uh… What? 1.9 is 7 digits, of which there were conservatively estimated to be 6 digits of dead by mid-2024. By the most conservative estimate possible, more than 10% of Gazans were fucking dead by the time your dear Biden left office.
Yeah Biden leaned on Egypt and Jordan to accept exactly the same thing also in mid-2024 and was told to go fuck himself. For now Israel is blocking out all aid, which is the exact same thing it did at the start of the war under Biden.
I thank you for correcting my zero count, I will do the same for you, 40,000 is only 5. It’s been a rough morning for me.
40000 is the number of people directly killed (as in shot or or blown to bits) by the IDF who the Gaza Health Ministry physically counted. That’s not an estimate, that’s a number you then use to make an estimate, like this one. If you have a study counting indirect deaths and producing a number less than this, then let’s see it, because otherwise this is a full six digits.