Please stop reporting all OF models as spam. If a post is off-topic, report is as off-topic. If community rules forbid OF models from posting, report that. If a user is flooding a sub with multiple posts a day in a row, that’s a legit report as well.
Otherwise a post by an OF model is not in and of itself spam, even if it is made by a <ferengi>female</ferengi> with the temerity to control her own sexuality.
This is the correct take. Is it any surprise that OF models generate a lot of nsfw content? Unless the users posting is too frequent, it’s not spam. If a painter links to their webpage on a post where they share their art do we cry spam? Treating their content like spam entirely on the grounds of them being OF models is honestly pretty sex negative. Y’all should support the idea of sex workers having control of their own content.
Speaking from previous experience on Reddit, the OF models are the posters most likely to start spam posting.
That shouldn’t mean we auto report them here, but it’s behavior to be wary of and worth checking an OF account to make sure they aren’t.
I have no issue with OF, but i don’t want to be overtly advertised to.
If i find myself in a /c where OF spam is out of control and the mods don’t wish to do anything about it then I’ll just move on.
Many NSFW Reddit subs turned to rubbish when OF users spammed the hell out of hundreds of subs, when where there content was not a match for the sub. If this happens here then it will suck as well.
I’m happy for OF users to post content appropriate to the /c they post in and include a link to their OF in the body or in a following message. But having a pair of tits posted in an anal /c along with 50 other /c’s with “My only fans 50% off right now” as the title… thats spam, clear as day, and it has no place.
And for those saying its content, there is no need to grow for the sake of growth, let’s rather grow naturally and at a steady pace and maintain some quality.
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I have a simple solution to this: If you are the moderator of your community, just put a rule in the sidebar disallowing OF links and references. Handle it on a per-community level.
Correct.
The downside of that is that a lot of OF content is posted to dozens of communities and this fact is the main spam problem with them, not necessarily the content in any particular community on its own.
I just wish c/gonewild would hold true to what made r/gonewild special. Allowing people who monitize to post there just turns it into a generic porn subscription.
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I don’t know if you’re trying to be funny or not but that is pretty funny. Those poor reporters thinking “how convenient! they obviously know what is wrong because it’s right here in the list!” But it’s there to make it easy to sort into the trash.
Like a suggestion box that feeds directly into a shredder
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It’s advertising. I don’t care for advertising. It’s like if all food subs were posts by Kraft, Taco Bell, Lays, Ben & Jerry’s, etc.
If people want to advertise, that’s fine, there are avenues for that. r/gonewild got ruined by being filled to the brim with OF ads. Other communities had to be made to recreate the space that gonewild used to be.
the basis for r/gonewild was a place for REDDITORS to “go wild”, not for women who are paid to do so, to then create a reddit account so they can have a place to advertise their product (their photos and videos) for free.
If gonewild wants to restrict OF posts, that’s fine. Then it becomes a violation of community rules. That’s really a debate for the mods and posters in gonewild. The mere fact that someone has an OF is not grounds for reporting.
There might be a need to handle the cross-community spammers on an instance or Fediverse wide level though, in particular the ones who post to any porn community with the same title and picture regardless of the picture/title being on topic for that community.
Yes.
They aren’t just advertising though, they are also contributing. A better analogy is food companies going to a food convention and giving out free food. The site would be a lot quieter without their contribution.
even with the food subs comparison the food companies would be “contributing” too, but with self-serving memes that are really just ads. See twitter for a solid example.
I think that this is better handled per community instead of per instance.
I get what you say about r/gonewild getting ruined by OF posts; OF posts are usually optimised to make you check the link and follow the content creator, so they’re crafted in a very specific way to gather attention that spontaneous posts wouldn’t, so the later ends overshadowed and the posts feel more and more similar to each other over time.
However, what I feel that the platform needs the most is content quantity; there’s relatively little content here, so even OF posts are contributing, even if you label them as advertisement.
And in this specific case we can have the cake and have it too. Since we already know that OF and spontaneous content don’t mix well, communities can be geared towards one or another type of content. Just like hentai vs. RL porn, or fetish vs. vanilla. It’s also more inclusive because, come on, “you can’t post here because you got OF” sounds a bit arbitrary as a restriction.
Note that your analogy with food subs is flawed: food subs discuss food, while porn subs distribute porn. You can’t eat a cake online, but you can see porn online. And once we handle this difference, it becomes like @xyth said, it’s more like those people are from food companies distributing free food, in a place about sharing free food. (Or rather food kiosks doing it - OF posters are individuals, not companies.)
Just my two cents.
I moderated a small subreddit. 90% of the posts I removed where OF bot spam, and 100% of obvious botspam was OF bots.
Between that and other platforms being filled with OF ads I can’t say I agree. It needs to be handled on a per-instance basis because once the OF spam infection takes root it’s basically impossible to eliminate regardless of community rules. Once direct posts get under control they move onto cross posting, then replying to top comments. It never ends.
For every one good OF creator that doesn’t spam you get at least 10 who use bots, and the bot users make significantly more money while having to produce less content than the ethical OF creators and that’ll never change. It’s not worth letting them destroy an entire instance just to be fair to the few good actors.
Yeah, coming from Reddit here as well. I don’t think they understand what’s coming. Which is sad because plenty of us are trying to warn them.
r/Gonewild has specific rules about no OF posters. To the point that even if your post doesn’t mention OF, but you have one linked in your profile you get banned.
It made GW worse. Not just because OF creators have better, higher quality content that fits that sub, but also because as I pointed out once to them it was a dumb idea to block people who in most cases of OF creators don’t even monetize, or only do custom content. Otherwise the account is free to follow. Which is an important differentiation since diversifying where you post and where people can find you is a major thing.
How is it worse? It’s back to it’s roots and literally back to the reason for the sub in the first place. You know how many “free” OF pages consist of spam about special videos and offers? I’d say practically every single one.
as far as higher better quality, I’d disagree. There’s something special about seeing someone who you think you could have a chance with. Who could be that quiet coworker down the hall, or a nurse you’ve seen. What if it’s your friend’s hot older sister you always had a crush on? Those women might not have been egirls, or would ever have the time, or money to spend on good lighting and photo editing. They’re regular fucking people, just trying to get off, not get paid.
Wanting to spread your product around to get people to pay for it is called advertising. It’s nothing new.
I can assure you none of those things is true.
First off, by pushing out OF creators all it did was make it so that an underground network was created on there instead. So the person you were seeing would have no mention of OF but would be a bot account meant to spam you with messages. It also created an issue where we saw so much damn editing of pictures and people posting others content to get around the rules. Hell, half of the posts were basically OF creators who made a second GW dedicated account that didn’t mention it but was designed to funnel views to their main.
Also, in the world of posting online it all becomes advertising. Even if not for money it’s all about putting yourself out there and getting validation, which requires people interacting with your post, which requires you to effectively advertise by posting certain content, doing things at certain times and coming up with fun titles. If you didn’t want advertising and a fair system to see all people then either having one GW account that posts only the content of the sub, or two having a system where everyone posts with the same title. The metrics show dumb titles work and it’s why if you scroll GW for any length of time you’ll notice that the same rehashed titles get used over and over.
Lastly, the people with OF accounts are also regular people, and often just trying to get off as well.
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Content creators have been quite good about NOT spam crossposting. The reports right now are just spam reports against anyone with the audacity to post an OF link in comments or body in the communities that allow them which is just extremely annoying. Like if spam crossposting becomes an issue we will discuss and address that but overall content creators have been good on that end.
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It’s discrimination
Oh yes, you’re so oppressed.
why wait though? Why do we have to relive the mistakes of reddit again? We already saw what happens. nip it at the bud.
Or you can have communities do a better job of moderating that kind of thing
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Do you expect us to background check every seller? I see onlyfans, I peace out. Surely that is understandable. And why would we care about your situation specifically, when there are plenty of exhibitionists who don’t want to make money
And you are welcome to peace out! Or not join communities that choose to allow models promoting their paid work. And let others who enjoy what they post just enjoy it
I see onlyfans, I peace out.
Then nothing here has anything to do with you. This is about people who report them for posting even when they’re not breaking rules.
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I’m gonna be really blunt here, idk how it’ll be received, but: without women who are paid to be naked, there will be very, very little content in OC porn communities.
I just see so many people on Reddit claim to only love “true amateur” content, but that content almost always gets hugely downvoted or goes unnoticed on the big subreddits. I think it’s because people who don’t profit from their stuff aren’t always trying to make content with the widest appeal possible. They don’t tend to care as much about being perfectly lit up so every nipple detail is visble. Or about getting the pose just right. Many won’t want to show their face. You’d think the clearly true amateur stuff would be more celebrated, but it seems people want to see women make huge amounts of pro-level content just for funsies. That’s not really realistic.
Edit: r/bigonewild banned OF posters and it turned into such a sausagefest that they changed their description to make it into a stated bi male centric community.
Back when amateur content was popular on reddit it actually went well… I actually think the prominence of OF posters has put off the original amateurs.
I think if it’s done well both can co-exist with care and attention to rules. A pro OF community can permit OF advertisers if they want. But while having overt OF spam might add content, it will at the same time drive viewers away.
Also suggesting people that don’t want to be advertised to are anti sex work is stupid, and the few fools who have said as much are really just stupid.
I don’t like ads, any ads, and yet i still support businesses that advertise.
The people who like popular porn don’t really go around announcing that they love professional-grade porn. They only do so when talking about the ethical consumption of porn, and their focus is on supporting people for their work, not the appreciation for the high quality or enjoying the financial transaction.
Announcing you like amateur porn is a statement about the flavor of porn you like, and it’s pretty clearly a minority opinion, given what we see reach the tops of the porn forums.
I pretty much only like amateur porn. But you know what? I’m not going to stop anyone else from enjoying the kind of porn they like. Why should I? If you like professional porn, great! If you don’t, that’s okay too. Neither side should judge the other so long as they’re not promoting harmful behavior of one type or another. There’s nothing wrong with making a living by getting naked, there’s nothing wrong with doing it for fun!
I dunno. Maybe I’m just being the salty OF girl, but it doesn’t seem like anyone at all (on Reddit, not here) is willing to do anything besides grumble about advertisement when the subject comes up. I see mods of nsfw subreddits get downvoted to hell when they say they won’t be banning Onlyfans users from posting, followed by tons of upvoted “where are the reeeeal women?” comments. The complaint comments get upvoted more than actual, perfectly good content posted by regular women. I just wish they’d be a little more supportive when those women do post, I suppose.
That being said, I totally agree that people should watch and make porn for whatever reason they please!!
The thing is, my ad block works on stated ads, but it doesn’t work on the subliminal ones such as OF.
All the power in the world to you for doing what you do. I have nothing against it. (I mean, I’m against capitalism in general, but you clearly own the capital in this situation). There should be places where OF women/men can post their profiles so people can find them, the problem is the fact that it’s everywhere that used to be more community and amateur based.
I think it’s fair to say that the gonewild subs/communities have been taken over by folks who are always wild, as it’s their profession. You wouldn’t see pornstars posting on gonewild, because they aren’t “going wild” in the sense of the basis of the subs, the old series Girls Gone Wild. The whole point was that it’s regular people (“hot” or otherwise) posting something risque to step out of their shell. That’s why you’d see a lot of cropped faces and such.
What happened is a few people like the one asian woman who’s name I just can’t remember, who were more attractive than most other posters, started doing it a bit more than just as a dirty little secret. It became the main part of their life. It became a job. Then due to her and others like her, people started getting the idea of OF, where anyone can skip the first part and just start selling sex pics/vids.
I’m not blaming her specifically, especially since I don’t remember her name, but there was a definite change in the atmosphere of the gonewilds and by the end of the recent reddit fallout, most of those subs were 98% OF posts. You could click a username and see the same pic, with what had to be auto-generated titles, to as many possible NSFW subreddits they could find.
A big thing now as well is that the non OF posters are more self conscious in general, and might only be trying to post a few selfies a month. When they see what they competition is like (OF posts), they get discouraged. How is anyone supposed to be into them when all they see are these megahotties and yunghungguns all over the place. amateurs don’t have the lighting and cameras to even compete with the lowliest OF posters. You can act like you support the amateurs as a creator yourself, but then you post next to them and try and act surprised? It’s just a basic difference between amateur and professional (even if it’s not corporate) content.
Honestly I think the biggest issue is that OF is a subscription model which forces workers like you into the shitty situation of having to continually make new content and finding new subs. Imho this ends up making the content very quantity over quality, and forces you all into having to advertise aggressively while being unable or unwilling to pursue normal advertising routes.
Just looking at the top cummunities (lmao) here, most are part of the gonewild trope and they’re all filled to the brim with OF posts. again, you can’t go wild if being wild is your job. You’re just wild.
The German gonewild community banned all commercial posters. Even an onlyfans link in their bio will get you banned. I think the community is still thriving.
My wild guess on this is, that you can go wild in Germany and still have time to do your daily job. And because the german society is not so focused on money in terms of: if you do not have it you cannot get basic necessities like medical interventions or learn a job.
US content creators have a big incentive to monetize everything to the maximum possible.
Edit: germansgonewild has a maximum of two posts in 24 h and a profile wide ban of paid content. No links, no comments etc.
This is an interesting point. If getting by in the USA wasn’t so damn difficult, creators would be less focused on earning money to survive ha.
“Unwilling to pursue normal advertising routes”
Please tell me what those are 😂
We are banned from most platforms. I do YouTube, Twitter, IG, Twitter, and here. I try to build community and if some people want more of me, they can subscribe. I don’t want to spam the communities I create on socials, but I also have to earn a living because I devote a lot of energy and time to content creation 💕 I think this is a happy medium.
But really…where do you suggest I advertise! I truly am all ears
What about pros that started out as legitimate amateurs and are posting vintage or day in the life content? (My situation 😛). I know the style that is popular here and I try to emulate it. A lot of the old content is when I wasn’t a pro yet and was working at a nursing home
I agree. Whether someone is “pro” or doing it because, the attitude should be supportive. Otherwise, the content will be shitty. It will only be dudes reposting weird as stock photos or stolen non consensual content.
It will only be dudes reposting weird as stock photos or stolen non consensual content.
Except for years that wasn’t the case on any of the gonewilds on reddit. You act like without OF people won’t have any access to porn. As if pornhub doesn’t exist, or the million other sites. Cam girls exist too. You clearly miss the reason for the gonewild communities and only see it as a place to act like you’re just some regular girl who’s being dirty. But you’re not, you’re a professional sex worker. There should be a space for OF workers to post their stuff, but it shouldn’t be every single space on this or similar websites.
You’re discriminating against the people who just want to share because it makes them and others feel good. You just want money. You can start as an amateur, but once it’s your job, you aren’t an amateur anymore and don’t get to act like you are, or participate in a community designed for amateurs.
The people who like popular porn don’t really go around announcing that they love professional-grade porn.
clearly you don’t read the comment sections on pornhub. also you’re ignoring the fact that there’s been SO MANY popular porn stars throughout the past 30+ years. You might not be talking to your relatives or coworkers about your favorite porn star, but there are many many places where people do just that.
Edit: r/bigonewild banned OF posters and it turned into such a sausagefest that they changed their description to make it into a stated bi male centric community.
do you think that could be because the women were just lying about being bi so they had more opportunities to advertise their OF? I think that’s kind of a huge point in support of banning OF ads
sorry for the late reply. I understand your point, but it still illustrates how little contribution an OC community will see from true amateur women with rules like that in place. communities will simply need to decide between allowing men and still having a relatively healthy amount of posts (but they will be mostly of penises), or disallowing men and just not having a lot of content. the choice was easy for r/bigonewild because it was already a space for people who like men. I’d say r/gonewild is a notable exception, but it’s also got a massive viewership that many people will leverage to build an audience before posting their paid links on profile and then receiving a ban. not that there are no unpaid women on that subreddit, there are, but that’s a factor.
I’ve noticed that when people say they love amateur content, they really mean they love professional level content that they don’t have to pay for
without women who are paid to be naked, there will be very, very little content in OC porn communities.
Hear hear, why don’t people get this?
Why do you assume all this shit is worth getting some cringy amateur content? I don’t even like amateur content when it’s interactive. Those thots can go make videos and sell them on their whatever site, but they shouldn’t talk to me like I’m stupid and thirsty, and they should stay the fuck out of my communities!
Re-read the original comment. Everyone on this thread is talking about OC (aka interactive amateur) communities. If you don’t like that, don’t go to OC communities. Also, you seem kinda unpleasant in general
Well said.
There is a huge difference between inconsiderate spammers, and adult performers linking to their work.
We all hate the blatant spam on Reddit, but spam is not a unique problem, and it was not invented during the rise of adult content creation. That’s why we have moderation. Know what makes moderation even harder? Abusing the moderation system.
Look, we have an opportunity here to create an active and ethical community of real people who love porn, and SUPPORT the people who create the thing we love.
Even if you never intend to pay for your porn, creators give away TONS of free material, and want to interact and build community here for free.
If you push out creators from every corner of the internet besides behind a paywall, what do you think will be left? I’ll tell you: the 1% of people who are not interested in monetizing their content, and a bunch of stolen shit (for as long as it lasts, until LemmyNSFW gets hit with DMCA takedowns left and right.)
If we went that route, and the site becomes swamped with copyright takedowns, admins here could decide ONLY OC is allowed to be posted, and then yall will have that 1% of people who don’t monetize to choose from. So, you can say goodbye to variety, and goodbye to finding someone who fulfills your particular fetish.
Is that the community you want to build? Sounds pretty oppressive to me.
Very well said. Talented OC creators (including sellers) are always welcomed at communities I moderate here (and on Reddit).
And I gladly nuke spam (very well defined by @[email protected] in comment ) and spammers (OC or not). Hoping we get better moderation tools and support soon here on Lemmy
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Thanks for taking the time to write this. I agree with everything.
If OF takes a hold of Lemmy like it did Reddit I’ll just defederate from Lemmy all together. Nobody has time for 50 identical posts from the same user only to finish with that user’s posts just in time to pick up another OF user’s 50 identical posts. OF and their repost bot Army ruined entire communities on reddit and they for sure will do the same here if allowed.
“Do older guys even like 18yo girls? Teeheehee”
“My boyfriend made fun of my boobs and says I need implants! Teeheehee”
“Be honest. Would you smash an 18yo virgin??”
Lifts top does a small wiggle “see more on my OF” *posts to 30 other communities"
I’m not mad about it. Y’all should make money on it if you can, but most of this shit is the same and ruined porn on Reddit. I’m sure there’s some that are really into the exhibition of it, and that rocks, but It’ll ruin porn here too.
If spam crossposting becomes an issue, we will address it. The reports we are referring to here are mainly against people who are daring to just post links in the body or comments to their OF. It’s not mass crossposting.
I gotcha. Let’s hope it stays that way, you guys are in a tough spot, you need to grow but to grow you need content. OF promises to quickly deliver that content but that content may come at a price, You may lose support from users and potential organic contributors. Good luck guys, I hope that whatever the decision you all take ends up being the best for the instance and for Lemmy as a whole.
Of course. It is a fine line we are towing and figuring out, but overall content creators are being reasonable thus far.
but that’s why people are mad about it. Give them an inch and they take a mile. You don’t wait for the cancer to take hold. You see it, and you treat it as fast as possible.
Can you point out examples where this is happening? Because the mods and admins are unaware.
Otherwise it sounds you’re suggesting killing healthy cells before they have the chance to become cancer cells, which doesn’t seem like great medical advice. (as far as I know. I’m not a doctor.)
I block all identified OF users. All they do is post UNRELATED items to the community theme. Like what they did on reddit.
Aw man, I’m just an exhibitionist that loves showing off and talking to friendly strangers on the internet, and you guys have been so nice 🙁 I paywall some stuff so I can make a little back to justify buying cute outfits lol, but I totally get the frustration with spamming and agree it ruined reddit. Of course I will respect if a community decides I’m no longer welcome, however I will point out that almost all of the top posts on gonewild here are OF models - so a lot of valuable and appreciated content would be lost. Perhaps significantly reducing the allowable posting frequency in the future once there is more content here (e.g 1x post per sub per user per week) would increase posting quality and relevance.
Reducing posting frequency is a great solution.
I think only once per week is a bit extreme, but something like, once per sub per day, and cannot share the same photo in the same sub again until somewhere between 1-6 months have passed.
I think once a day sounds right.
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Yes and I think you can tell when it’s lazy spam vs someone having fun
…you guys know we need more porn on here, right? The low quantity is likely hurting our retention a little bit. Can’t they just get a sub or something? It’s content, guys. We need content. Just give them a space.
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I for one welcome our onlyfans overlords
edit: y’all content comes from somewhere, exhibitionists who can afford it will give it free, you don’t need to pay anything let the fuckin upvote down vote system sort out what you wanna see. people who wanna support swers can, there’s no requirement and honestly it diversifies everything
I for one am grateful for the free porn the OF models put out there.
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Where’s the line with someone posting to multiple c/s at once and ignoring relevance being spam, even though they may hit a few c/s where is is on topic randomly? When I report for spam, that’s what I’m reporting for, even if I don’t report every post they made.
How should we handle that?
We don’t have a great way to track per-user reports yet, but we do have a kind of running list of repeat offenders. If you report the off-topic posts as off-topic, we’ll notice if it keeps happening.
Imo the fair solution would be disallow OF mentions in the title and post, and have it in the bio and/or comments if they do
Expecting enough people to upload oc content without anything in return is unrealistic.
Personally I’d be fine with allowing it in bios only. If people want to see more, they’ll check out the bio, and see the link there. In other cases someone will just be like “… Nice.” without feeling advertised to.
In the end, it’s all about the rules the community itself puts up. Personally, I get more enjoyment out of fewer “real” (imperfect/amateur) out-of-love quality, than more perfect/fitgirl for-profit quantity. But I’m aware this is generally a minority opinion.
Agreed 👍 keep it off the subs but allow it on the profiles! Seems like the best compromise!
