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gedaliyah@lemmy.world to Lemmy Shitpost@lemmy.world · 7 days ago

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gedaliyah@lemmy.world to Lemmy Shitpost@lemmy.world · 7 days ago
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  • Skullgrid@lemmy.world
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    🇬🇧 English (Traditional)
    🇺🇸 English (Simplified)

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      🇮🇪 English (EU)

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        🇦🇺 ɥsᴉlƃuƎ

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          🇨🇦 English (Polite)

          🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 English (Unhinged)

      • Skullgrid@lemmy.world
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        Shots fired.

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          The Troubles Part 2: It Came From The EU

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          I’m not quite sure if this is an intentional Hamilton reference or not, but I’m definitely not throwing away my chance to comment on it!

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            how is acknowledging an irish person making fun of brexit a reference to Hamilton?

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              The acknowledgement featured “shot(s)” which also play a very prominent part in the hit musical Hamilton, the origin of OP’s meme. It was a poor attempt on meta referential humor on my part.

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            Would you even say you’re not throwing away your shot?

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        i recently got the recommendation to switch locale to ireland in order to get normal date formatting. worked very well.

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          I usually use UK English to have a sane date formatting (the US format is completely retarded), but you have a good idea. I’ll use Ireland from now on.

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            I use Denmark English for sane date formatting.

            Though I don’t know why that locale exists.

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        I’d never know that’s English

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      🇦🇺 English (Felon)

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      There are some English words and phrases that can’t be said in American English. Like the “I inherited this government position from my father”. Or, “Sure hope the King doesn’t veto this legislation”.

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        There are some English words and phrases that can’t be said in American English. Like the “I inherited this government position from my father”

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prescott_Bush
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_H._W._Bush
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeb_Bush

        🤔

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          Also, as far as the “King Veto” part:

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          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Cromwell

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Cromwell

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            They’re not denying that happens in England, just pointing out that it functionally happens in the US too. So I’m not really sure what your point is.

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        Lol don’t watch the news

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        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_vetoes

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      🇨🇦 English (Celeste)

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      *🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿- traditional

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        🇩🇪🇩🇰🇳🇴 Traditional?

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      🇬🇧 English (Traditional)
      🇺🇳 English (Simplified)
      🇺🇲 English (Dumbified)

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      Except American English is the traditional. England kept fucking with their language and spelling, and now everything has 6 unnecessary vowels

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        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_and_British_English_spelling_differences#Historical_origins
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_and_British_English_spelling_differences#Latin-derived_spellings_(often_through_Romance)

        Webster’s 1828 dictionary had only -or and is given much of the credit for the adoption of this form in the United States. By contrast, Johnson’s 1755 (pre-US independence and establishment) dictionary used -our for all words still so spelled in Britain (like colour), but also for words where the u has since been dropped: ambassadour, emperour, errour, governour, horrour, inferiour, mirrour, perturbatour, superiour, tenour, terrour, tremour. Johnson, unlike Webster, was not an advocate of spelling reform, but chose the spelling best derived, as he saw it, from among the variations in his sources.

        Nope.

        Although unjerk, spelling reform and standardisation is very necessary for english.
        Rejerk

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    Portuguese people clicking on the Brazilian flag to see something in Portuguese 💀

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      Polish people clicking on the Polish flag to see something in Polish while being in Australia:

      • Skullgrid@lemmy.world
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        Then : Kurwa!

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          *ɐʍɹnʞ

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      Duolingo does this. English is American and Portuguese is Brazilian. Doesn’t make sense.

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        It makes a bit of sense because Duolingo teaches you the American variety of English and Brazilian.

        But still… why?!

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          yeah I think they should offer the original languages too

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          Is their Spanish course based on any particular country’s dialect?

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          Presumably demand is why.

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    When I was visiting Paris, a tour bus we got on had a audio guide, the languages were all labeled with national flags.

    English -> UK flag French -> flag of France Spanish -> Flag of Spain Portuguese -> Flag of Brazil

    Even in Europe Portugal plays second fiddle for it’s own language

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      Brazil became such a cultural powerhouse, almost anyone in the world would recognize its flag. So it makes sense. But it’s funny because only Portuguese speakers would need to recognize the flag on that tour.

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        Yes, but the guys who made the guide (I mean the developers who assigned each audio track a flag, not the ones recording the audio) might not. I guess that might not even been developed in France and nobody cared enough to fix the bug.

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          I wouldn’t call it a “bug”

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            Me neither, just lacking a better word.

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              I bet too that the audio itself is in Brazilian Portuguese

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                Sounds likely

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    Brit here it’s our laugauge don’t like it? Get your own instead of spelling ours wrong

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      Canadian here. Choosing between UK English and US English feels like choosing between an abusive father and abusive husband.

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        What’s all that aboot?

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        We are a reformed crazy dad we are trying to be part of your life but we’re still drama

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      350 million Americans, 70 million British.

      Your minority opinion is noted but outvoted, micronation.

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        Colony

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          I’m here for this English on regressed English violence.

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            Regressed English are the Welsh mate the colonys are known as the new indies

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        Hmmmm yes but the average American reads at a grade 6 level, so I daresay UK beats USA there.

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          Do you have a comparable statistic for British adults, or could no one afford to fund the study?

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            https://literacytrust.org.uk/parents-and-families/adult-literacy/

            https://www.prosperityforamerica.org/literacy-statistics/

            These are what I found after searching literacy statistics for both nations. I haven’t gone and checked through the data but it seems that the UK has a lower illiteracy rate than the US.

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    I don’t like using country flags for languages. For one thing, not every language has a country of its own – there are 700+ languages in use today, but <200 countries. Many languages don’t even have any obvious insignia to represent them at all.

    If you’re making a piece of software and you want it ported to many languages, just use text to represent the language.

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      America has one of the largest Spanish speaking populations in the world, so in future web applications I will use the American flag to indicate Spanish, for the lulz

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      Bonus points from TTS users.

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    As opposed to everyone else when they have to click the US flag to get English language options

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      There is no U in “Boston Tea Party” either.

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        Bouston Teua Puarty

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    It’s my right as an American to not have extra 'U’s in my words and you’re infringing on it!

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      There’s no extra 'U’s. What you want is your right to exclude the 'U’s you don’t feel are necessary, it’s not the same thing. There was no need for the 'z’s but you guys couldn’t help yourselves could you!?

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        Oh, and that’s pronounced “z”, not ”z”!

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        I use American English for the superior compression algorithms and the more extensive import features.

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          Meh, imports ale too expensive nowadays anyways.

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        Get obsoleted, King-haver (less of a burn now, coming from Loompa-land 😭)

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        At least we don’t pronounce it “zed”

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          (joking) You deserve more downvotes for this

          How dare Americans pronounce it as (constant sound)-ē like b, c, d, g, p, t, and v instead of its correct pronunciation as one of 2-3 consonants that aren’t just their sound preceded or followed by a vowel sound

          That being said, my takes on alphabet pronunciation are total batshit, I have beef with H and Q

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            Dang, I really struck a nerve huh? My bad, it was just meant as a playful jab.

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              You’re good, no nerve struck here, just being melodramatic for fun =)

              Quite frankly, I’m not sure why your comment is getting downvoted so much XD

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                Dunno, people are weird.

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        Tell me with a straight face that the word armor needs a u 😋

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          Colour is worse. No way. It is color you little shit.

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            Co-loor

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            Neither of those rhymes with “or” though.

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              But it does rhyme with “our”, lol

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          The future is now, old man!

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      colour armour labour favour honour harbour

      honestly it’s just so much more fancy with -our

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      “Trmp” sonds so mch better.

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    Traditional English vs Simplified English. I won’t tell you which is which.

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      Traditional English vs Yankee English.

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      Ah, one more way in which post-colonial America and Mao’s China are similar.

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    A tourist wanted some directions so he asked: "Sorry, do you speak American.’

    My buddy who can be a purist: “I understand American but I speak English.”

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      Years ago I had someone ask me where the exit to the building is. The building occupies a complete city block in NYC and there are many exits. Using the wrong exit could add 15 minutes to your walk.

      I asked him where he is was going. He got flustered, said “speak American”, and walked off.

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      On Oxford Street in London, a tourist asked me for directions to Edgware.

      At first puzzled by his interest in visiting far-off social housing and knife crime, I quickly realized by his accent what he actually meant and directed him to nearby Edgware Road.

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    As an Aussie it really grinds my gears that office defaults to American spelling. And even after I change the dictionary to Australian or UK english it still continues to insert ‘z’ into words. It’s colonise, not colonize!

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      I thought in Aus and other international areas the Z was considered correct spelling, even though most of the rest follows British convention?

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        Australia follows British conventions. However both spellings are correct and there has been a rise in ‘z’ over the past few years with American influence.

        All government websites etc use British spelling.

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          Of course it’s worth adding that the Oxford English Dictionary argues (argued?) that the z is proper in British English! I disagree ;-)

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            What!

            My world doth shaketh

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              Mine too. I had to stop believing in the OED as the foremost authority on correct English!

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                Besides, they probably put commas in the wrong places over there too.

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      How do you pronounce that word

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        Haben Sie schonmal von germanischen Sprachen gehört, wo ein ‘S’ duraus so wie englisches ‘Z’ klingen kann?

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          I bet that sounds really good if you say it out loud

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    Scottish people having to click on a British flag knowing it will display English (there is a perfectly good flag for England that people refuse to use 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿)

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      Ami: isn’t that the red cross flag?

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      there is a perfectly good flag for England that people refuse to use

      Well yeah, but these days, you say you’re English, you’ll get arrested and thrown in jail 😆

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      I think the Scots having to click on an English flag to read something would piss them off more?

      Or are you suggesting having a Scottish flag that displays the site in Gaelic for that 2% of Scots that know it?

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        I think you’re overthinking it slightly.

        • French flag represents the language called “French”
        • Spanish flag represents the language called “Spanish”
        • Russian flag represents the language called “Russian”
        • German flag represents the language called “German”
        • Portuguese flag represents the language called “Portuguese”
        • Japanese flag represents the language called “Japanese”
        • Korean flag represents the language called “Korean”
        • Chinese flag represents the language called “Chinese”
        • Italian flag represents the language called “Italian”
        • But somehow, the British flag doesn’t represent a language called “British”, but rather, one called “English”, despite there existing an English flag
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          See? This is why we shouldn’t use flags to represent languages.

          Go to Brazil, and I bet they use the Brazilian flag to represent the language they speak, not the Portuguese one.

          Go to Ireland, and you’ll see they use the Irish flag to represent the English language.

          In Switzerland, what flag should they use to represent Ladin?

          And what about Canada? They speak two official languages.

          The correct way to display languages is just their name or they ISO code. Using flags for languages is fundamentally wrong.

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    I replaced the US flag with a UK one on my website for this reason x)

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      As an American who does web development, “You guys have multiple languages on your websites?”

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    One of these days Trump is gonna sue the UK for speaking the American language

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      “By presidential decree, it will no longer be called ‘American English’ and ‘British English’, it will be ‘American American’ and ‘English American’.”

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        The Gulf of Obliviousness

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          Oblivious, Remastered

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    it’s worse when it’s an American flag because I’m always looking for the British one

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      British English is the OG English. They should always use that flag.

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        Old English would like to have a word.

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          Old English, where is that from?

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            America

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              You’re another that doesn’t understand “Received Pronunciation”, aren’t you?

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                Received from the great founders of England: Abraham, Isaac and Jacob Lincoln, and Lord Martin Luther King Sr I.

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                  I don’t get the joke sorry.

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        yeah otherwise you might as well use the Australian flag or whatever

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          Or even the Canadian flag, to make it even more fun for the US people lol

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            ok that’s even better yeah

            and also Canadian for french, because it’s never wrong to mess with the french

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        Well if we want get technical it’s roots are in Germany, Denmark and the Netherlands.

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          Well if we want to get technical its roots are in the Indo-European which comes from the Iranian plateau

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            I replied to the wrong person but you are right!

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    I wish there were some internationally recognized symbols to represent languages as distinct entities from their countries of origin, but the idea of trying to make some seems really unpopular for some reason.

    There’s other languages that have far more politically contentious flags representing them - at least all the English-speaking countries are broadly allies. Spare a thought for the Taiwanese who have to select a People’s Republic of China flag, even though the language is as much theirs as it is the PRC’s, or the large number of Russian-speaking native Ukrainians who have to select the flag of the country who’s bombing them and their families.

    The notion of a country owning a language is fraught with toxicity (indeed, Russia’s claim to vast swathes of Ukraine leans heavily on it), and if languages had their own flags we could sidestep the whole issue.

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      French has the fleur De lies which, although it was a symbol of French royalty is still used on the flag of Quebec and some places in Canada identify the French language option with the flag of Quebec.

      Realistically, the best option would just be a shorted abbreviation of the language in that language. Ex. Eng for English and deu for German

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        There is a set of ISO codes for each language, but it’s not catchy used as an icon, and are also implicitly Western-centric by virtue of using the Latin alphabet.

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