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Five@lemmy.cafe to THE POLICE PROBLEM@lemmy.worldEnglish · 6 days ago

Univision crew grabbed their gear and started running when federal police began shooting pepper balls at us.

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Univision crew grabbed their gear and started running when federal police began shooting pepper balls at us.

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Five@lemmy.cafe to THE POLICE PROBLEM@lemmy.worldEnglish · 6 days ago
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Earlier this evening, the Univision crew grabbed their gear and started running when federal police began shooting pepper balls at us. @lataco.bsky.social
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  • Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org
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    Don’t be in a zero zone, that’s all there is to it.

    • Five@lemmy.cafeOP
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      Your ignorance in this context is really gross.

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        The fact that it’s willful ignorance makes it even more gross.

      • Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org
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        I’m not really concerned about my ignorance on the details. My feeling has been and continues to be that if people with guns tell you not to be in a place, you should not be in that place

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          You think you can stop fascists without going against the orders of people with guns? Yeah that’s not how that works.

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          this is straight loser cuck shit to say.

        • Rancor_Tangerine@lemmy.world
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          Bootlicker without a spine, ethics, or friends ^

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          So you like to blame the victims. Got it.

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          • Five@lemmy.cafeOP
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            It’s one thing to be happy to concede your constitutional right to assemble and protections for the press to bullies with guns.

            It’s another to distance yourself from the brave injured journalists and blame the people with cameras for the actions of tyrants.

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              • Five@lemmy.cafeOP
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                What does “Don’t be in a zero zone, that’s all there is to it.” and “I agree with you fully.” mean, if you’re not endorsing someone who blames the journalists for being harmed while *checks notes* doing their job reporting on civil unrest with cameras in proximity to armed police?

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          • Rancor_Tangerine@lemmy.world
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            You’re the coward that licks the boot.

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              • Rancor_Tangerine@lemmy.world
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                Licking a boot and being a coward makes you a boot licker.

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            I hope you have a gun pointed at your face for the rest of your life.

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              • Rancor_Tangerine@lemmy.world
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                You deserve it. You’re enabling fascists to stop on others. When you see them hurt children in the future I want you to remember you’re responsible for that. You’re name is on every round.

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      Tell that to the fucking pigs.

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        They’re the ones who have the guns and the badges. I can’t bring overwhelming force that would allow me to tell them anything.

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          The people outnumber the cops by orders of magnitude.

          They are the problem, too. Not the solution.

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      Easy to say from behind a keyboard

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        Yup, it certainly is. Best place to be when there’s cops out there and a crowd of people determined to be where the cops tell them not to be. I’m not disagreeing with you, and frankly I don’t see it as an insult. I’m not where the police are, and I encourage everyone else to take steps to be where the police aren’t.

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      What is a zero zone?

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        An area designated by an armed force that is intended to have zero non-uniformed individuals, which is held by force, and which will be defended by escalating levels of violence if violated.

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it’s not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they’re investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers’ names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with ‘law enforcement experience’ and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It’s called “Wandering Cops.”

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: “testilying.” Yet it’s almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don’t, they aren’t cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of “qualified immunity” renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past ‘qualified immunity’ is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That’s the solution.

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• Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak

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• Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States

• So you wanna be a cop?

• When the police knock on your door

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• The Marshall Project

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• National Police Accountability Project

• Say Their Names

• Vera: Ending Mass Incarceration

 

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