NOTE: This article is from more than 7 months ago.
Edit: I’m on my phone, so forgive any formatting snafus, but I just recently responded to a question about why that Substack post was removed for, and I think it is applicable here.
I’m a mod on c/politics. I don’t speak for any of the other mods, and while I don’t recall interacting with your specific post, I’ll give you two reasons today that would likely be sufficient to me, for why I would have removed that post. (1) It’s an article to a Substack post, which isn’t necessarily dispositive, but the author is unknown (at least to me), which is a ding against its credibility. (2) I don’t know enough about the author’s intent to know whether to characterize the article as mis- or dis-information, but I’ve been involved in elections for more than a decade, so I know that I can say — unequivocally — that the information the author is spewing, is incorrect. Specifically, the author demonstrates ignorance of the technology and logistics involved in the administration of elections, along with different methods of verification.
And just to be clear, the 2024 election was not perfect and there was institutionalized voter suppression; however, that Substack post is not rooted in fact.
The response I got from that post was (the other person quoting me):
I’ve been involved in elections for more than a decade, so I know that I can say — unequivocally — that the information the author is spewing, is incorrect.
This seems to be stating that we must accept what you say at face value without evidence. (End of the other person’s quote.)
To which I responded, and I would say is just as applicable here:
Okay, well here are some facts that you can confirm with anyone else who has been involved in election administration that support my point:
- The individual or group of individuals involved in administering elections, varies from state to state, and sometimes even more, within a state, so extrapolating from a single case and assuming you could apply that to explain a nationwide election demonstrates a lack of familiarity with election administration.
- The technology involved in administering elections, varies from state to state, and sometimes even more, within a state, so extrapolating from a single case and assuming you could apply that to explain a nationwide election demonstrates a lack of familiarity with election administration.
- The article completely skips over addressing how any of these changes wouldn’t be caught during count verification steps.
Those are three things undermining the article’s credibility that you can confirm for yourself. It’s spewing the same kind of bullshit theories that I heard about the 2020 election, and spent the years since, fighting. I didn’t like the outcome of the 2024 election either, but I know what I’m talking about.
The entire point of this is that it takes considerably more effort on your end to respond.
I just came back to this thread because I wanted to say: thank you for this write up, you got a lot of details I neglected to mention. The most important of which is that elections are run at the state level and every state is going to have their own security and cybersecurity teams, and the assumptions made in this treat it like either every cybersecurity team in every state is grossly incompetent or the cybersecurity teams were somehow “in on it” and kept their mouths shut (not a skill most of the people in Trumps orbit seem to have) or that the Trump admin had been sitting on a massive zero-day exploit to be used at the right moment, through the right channels, with the right pieces of hardware installed in the right spots every place they needed them (once again, these people are not good about keeping quiet about such things). Which, to me, all three are so highly implausible it really makes no sense to make grand conspiracies in your own head about it all.
It’s wild that a mod can just decide what is misinformation based on whether they personally know who the author is or not.
Just post your rebuttal as a comment. Objectively, you are hardly a more reliable source than the person who wrote this.
You may “know what you’re talking about,” but how do I know that you know? Why should I believe that your opinion is more correct?
Okay, well here are some facts that you can confirm with anyone else who has been involved in election administration that support my point:
I’m quoting OP to make a point here, and that point is they gave you an opportunity to validate the evidence they were presenting and not just take their word for it.
I have never worked in elections but have done enough research on elections to agree with the mod that these are indisputable facts. Elections are run at state and county levels and at each level you literally have security and cybersecurity teams that have to work with each other but were all hired by different groups: State, county, city. Due to this, processes will be different at each level and in each city/county/state. Similarly, each place will be sourcing their hardware from a different vendor, meaning it is highly implausible that somehow they all had the correct Tripp Lite devices in place in all the right districts and that the cybersecurity teams were either all grossly incompetent or somehow in on a grand conspiracy. Hell, I’ve had a government job for a short time, and even different agencies in the same government will be using different vendors than another agency. There is no overarching “you have to get your equipment from this specific vendor and no one else” more like “you can get your equipment from this large group of vendors who fit the specifications and requirements our city/county/state government has.”
These are things you can research and verify. The mod isn’t just asking you to their their word on it, they provide evidence and give you the opportunity to go verify that evidence for yourself. To go ask the people who run your local elections and find out. Not just trust the musings of some random asshat on the internet. Also the whole “elections are run at the state level” thing should be pretty common knowledge because that’s basic civics.
Click the “more direct source” in the body of the post for a recent tie-in of how it fits in with Rockland county etc.
I just updated my comment, to reflect another conversation about that Substack, and the short of it is: that Substack post is misinformation.
I know it probably wasn’t your intent, but In the future though, please don’t use a “shell” article to post other content.
I’m just gonna say it: Everything about everyone involved in this administration screams people who are hired for their loyalty, not their skillsets.
The theory that they used Uninterruptible Power Supplies to modify the vote, and that they had enough people involved to pull this off, yet everyone kept their mouth shut, is not the level of competency I have seen from anyone in Trump’s orbit.
As someone with a background in tech, I find it hard to believe. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. They can make up all the stories about they want in their own heads, until there’s some proof of it, it’s just as bullshit as Trump’s claims of election fraud.
If Eaton pushed an update to those UPS units, it could have gained root-level access to the host tabulation environment—without ever modifying certified election software.
So yeah, we’re gonna have to have a hell of a lot more to go on than “could have” here. Also I’m skeptical on the claim that Windows automatically trusts any connected UPS and skeptical about the “root level access” claim (including the fact that it is called administrator access on Windows, Windows doesn’t have “root” accounts).
Part of the reason I’m skeptical on the root-level access claim regarding a UPS. If you could do this with any old UPS, this would make any and every UPS in existence a major attack vector to every computer and computer network in existence. I find it hard to believe that cybersecurity experts would have somehow missed this in the last 20 years that commercial level UPS’s have been in use. That it was just somehow conveniently overlooked that you could override server administration with a UPS. I don’t buy that.
EDIT: All this being said, I think a court case to reveal any evidence that is there is important. It’s highly improbable but not impossible and so I hope the court case moves forward quickly.
It’s actually NT AUTHORITY/SYSTEM access, but that’s being pedantic
I’ve been listening to a great podcast series about Titanic. (This will come around, bear with me.)
One of the things mentioned in the latest episode is that it didn’t take long for conspiracy theories to develop about the sinking, that it had to have been done on purpose. Because there are a lot of people who didn’t want to believe the truth: that it was possible for the largest luxury liner ever built could go to the bottom of the north Atlantic in two and a half hours on its maiden voyage on accident.
The uncomfortable truth about this last election is that, yes, enough people willfully voted for fascism to put this administration in place. The United States is much further away from the ideal we’d all been led to believe it has strived to be, so far that it’s clear that it’s not even striving for that ideal anymore. That truth is so unconscionable to some people that accepting a conspiracy theory is more palatable.
That truth is so unconscionable to some people that accepting a conspiracy theory is more palatable.
It’s really hurtful to the mind of a kind-hearted person. It says a lot of dark things about humanity in general that this nation was so easily steered into this. It’s valid to want to reject it, but I’d rather live in the dark reality and face it than do like the MAGAts and retreat to the safety of fantasy and fiction that it just has to be a conspiracy to explain how so many people are so terrible. Nope, humans are really that fucked.
Much like the night sky, humanity is largely a dark thing, speckled with occasional bright spots.
Humanity is Banana Joe from the Amazing World of Gumball:
Banana Joe: Bobert, facts are like stars—
Anais: They’re always in the sky, but you can’t always see them.
Banana Joe: No, they’re like shiny holes in the dark light of my ignorance, and I don’t like 'em!
It’s really hurtful to the mind of a kind-hearted person.
The messed up part is that the people who voted for this think they’re doing good. There are a few moral monsters of course, but most of the people who participate in historic crimes think they’re helping.
Agreed. There’s enough true conspiracies, we don’t need to make fake ones
Not really an accident persay but rather a combination of hubris and bad choices made or of hubris.
Except for Trump letting slip that without musk and those voting machines he would have lost and during the Twitter fight between the 2 musk said Trump wouldn’t be president without him.
Circumstantial evidence is not evidence. Further, this story is about Tripp Lite, which last I checked, isn’t owned by Musk. It’s owned by Eaton. Gonna have to jump through a lot of mental hoops to connect Eaton and Musk.
Have you ever considered that they would say they were going to win even if they weren’t? That part of how fascism and fascists work is by projecting power by never admitting weakness? Saying you’re the winner, even after you’ve lost, is common for both Trump and Musk.
Circumstantial evidence is not evidence.
It is according to common law, and can even be used to convict.
The problem is is that Trump cheating is more than plausible. You’re right that real evidence is absolutely required.
And they did cheat. They cut millions from voter rolls. They spent more time questioning whether signatures on mail-in voters were valid. They did more gerrymandering. They, in general, did their damnedest to make it harder for people vote. They used disinformation campaigns and foreign actors to influence social media. The thing about it is, they do a lot more of it out in the open than people want to admit. Just like how they weren’t hiding Project 2025. Why would they suddenly have the ability to be so tight lipped about just this issue?
Because all the things you mentioned are par for the course and easily digestible by common folks. Actual “cheating” at the polls would do a lot more damage to the country than just Trump being caught being a felon again.
They said that about finding out that Bush signed off on torture. Surprise, the evidence changed nothing. The country slumped on, unbothered by war crimes.
Did the Snowden leaks change anything about the surveillance state? No.
What makes you think this would be any different?
To be clear, I’m not trying to be defeatist, I’m trying to be realistic. As far back as the Snowden leaks philosopher Slajov Žižek wrote about this phenomenon and he, even back then, was convinced that in the modern era, with so much information bombarding us, that evidence no longer mattered. He used the Bush torture leaks and the Snowden leaks as his evidence. I’m certainly not the first person to have noticed this pattern in the modern internet era.
No you make good points. I suppose I’m a bit delusional when it comes to still having a sliver of belief in people and systems.
Circumstantial evidence is evidence.
It’s just not enough. It can be useful for finding the actual evidence though.
Dismiss any evidence at your own risk.
I feel like Trump is kinda the type of guy who would say shit just to stir the pot. Plus, fascist love for the public to think they are more competent than they really are, especially if it makes them seem like they are the underdog pulling one over on the establishment. Same thing works for musk.
This, they will always say they are going to win even if they’re not, they will always say they’ve won even if they haven’t.
See: Musk v. Zuckerberg. Musk acts like he won even though he’s a pudgy fat shit and never even stepped into the ring with Zuckerberg. It’s projection of power, and people are giving them power by believing it.
Musk and Trump would have said they were winning no matter what. They would have said they won no matter what. If they lost they would say the “mainstream media” lied.
Everything about everyone involved in this administration screams people who are hired for their loyalty, not their skillsets
That the big thing we have going for us. They’re fascists, but they’re also grossly incompetent at operations. Although they are amazing at the propaganda .
Ups software probably installed as system so that it can perform script execution and shutdown properly. That software communicates with the UPS directly. UPS vendors wouldn’t be at the top of my list of security-minded companies.
The execution path isn’t impossible.
I mean, the article focuses more on how the UPSes have SNMP enabled network cards.
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SNMP is Simple Network Management Protocol, which is for, well, simple network management, not computer administration, which are different things.
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SNMP can definitely be an attack vector, so it’s generally considered good practice to disable it on any ports it’s not absolutely needed. Further, it’s mostly able to be abused for DDOS, although there are some possibilities for network penetration. Network, not computer, once again. Controlling the router isn’t the same as controlling the Server., although it can help you move towards controlling the Server. Still a lot of hoops to jump through from network to server.
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Every election is run on a local level, and this would mean that in enough swing states, one of two things was happening: either the election cybersecurity team in all the states affected was technically incompetent or they were somehow in on it and all kept their mouths shut. Both of those are highly unlikely when it comes to the frequency at which this happened all over the country.
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While you generally have a good point about script execution via a UPS, once again, does that mean every single cybersecurity team in every state affected was foolish enough to be giving a UPS administrator script execution capabilities? Because just executing a script doesn’t mean the user executing the script has admin rights. Once again, either every team was inept or somehow the famously loose-lipped Trump team was sitting on a zero-day exploit to gain admin access and somehow kept it quiet.
I don’t consider snmp to be a big issue, unless someone set up “public” with write access.
The ups software running on the windows machine would be running as system and would be able to execute whatever it wanted. Usually it’s connecting to the ups through some method (IP, usb serial) to figure out what state it’s in, how much runtime is remaining, and if it needs to execute any stored scripts.
How do you get a compromised UPS to upload scripts to the windows machine? That I’m not too sure about. I don’t think I’ve seen an ups management system that has that capability.
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I understand where you’re coming from with this angle, but you’re wrong. Very few people need to be involved to get this done. Also, just like with other conspiracy theories that are still publicly frowned upon but highly probably true: I wouldn’t count on internal US people to do the ground work either.
It is very likely the machines were fixed early to mid 2024. I agree that the UPS theory or starlink is ridiculous.
I’ve written more here if you want to understand the broader angle. https://lemmy.world/post/27126084
These two ladies are worth a listen too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nk1A-tLIaXY
Let’s also remember the Russians first hacked in 2016. They had years to map and plan down to the voting center and they had the cooperation of Palantir and Musk.
This is a beautifully simple way to do it. There should be instructions for setting up polling stations with a specific step for the UPS. It’s not a smoking gun but should be findable
To play devils advocate, I watched children do this back in 2017.
Children? That’s a weird way to describe people at defcon, but ok.
I remember that, too. And I remember hackers getting physical access to Diebold machines with a Sharpie pen in 2004.
It still comes back to the fact that the article this stems from is literally nothing but speculation.
You’re misunderstanding the setup in a couple ways. First most UPS setups don’t plugin to USB but in this weird use case that may have been standard. 2nd and this is the more important part, Fancy Bear(Russia) and Palantir would have done the hard work, not the idiots you see in the news. The dumbest people in the know are Trump and Elon who have both let it slip. Next are the Eatons and some guy at Tripp lite. The plan as I understand it is way easier than what I originally thought the Russians spent their years of recon on. It seems like the method differed a bit state to state so some states may have evidence. Specifically the ones using machines that create paper backups though with root I’m not sure there would be evidence this many months later.
I think it’s also a great risk and a shot-in-the-dark kind of attack. They wouldn’t have “live” access to the machines so they would’ve needed a complicated algorithm to alter results in a believable way. If 100% of votes for Harris get swapped to Trump that’s very suspicious. If it’s only 10% of votes then you risk having no affect. And if the attack is successful on every machine in a deep blue county or precinct that makes the amount you could reasonably swap even less. In other words it’s extremely difficult to be effective AND be subtle.
The Starlink theory sounds a bit more plausible but that also sounds like a stretch assuming the transmissions were encrypted (and God help us if they thought that wasn’t necessary).
Right, is amazing as this would be to feel this vindicated, we are acting just like them if we fall into this kind of shit without evidence
The truth is worse.
That there’s more people who want this (or at least did until they realised it meant their families being abducted by ICE) than people who didn’t, and more people still who didn’t give a fuck enough to bother voting.
That should keep them up at night more than vote rigging.
more people still who didn’t give a fuck enough to bother voting.
For reference, the 2020 U.S. Presidential Election:
FWIW, I didn’t vote this past election. Not for lack of trying, mind you. I sent for a mail in ballot and it never showed. I corrected my address (which somehow got switched to an old address) and requested another and every time, the site would throw an error. By that point it was too late and I would need to vote in person which didn’t work because of the address thing. And before people go “well you should have made sure first”, I did. I verified everything months prior and it changed my info after…
What a pain in the ass… something about the degree of insoluble complications makes me feel that it may not have been entirely accidental (I know, I know, I have no concrete proof but other countries/jurisdictions are able to avoid these vote annulling scenarios fairly easily). Would it still have been possible for you to vote in your former district, or was it too far away (different city/state)?
IF - and I grant, it’s a huge IF - but IF it’s true, then more people didn’t want this.
OK, so let’s prove it then.
Gather up the irrefutable concrete evidence and watch most of the people of this country either refute it or ignore it because, to them, the alternative is too difficult to face
You can see the spin already, hell Newsweek is using it verbatim: “Left-wing conspiracy theory”.
The key element of which is; there’s no evidence left behind.
Hell I can’t get people to watch the documentary of Cambridge Analytica because they literally do not want to know. And even if it gets proven 100% and soon, the DoJ and the army are owned. The Mueller Report spelled out collusion and with one news cycle, Bill Barr killed it with a simple lie that it did not.
Not putting much hope in this but it is interesting, anyway.
This is why I think our country is fucked. You have a whole side that would die before they admit they were wrong and voted for the criminals. They will literally let our country crumble before they admit they made a mistake…. How do you “fix” that?
The hardest thing to face is that deprogramming people from a cult is almost exactly like programming them for a cult.
All I know is, Elon knew who won the election by 7pm est. make it make sense.
Okay, I will: Fascists will always say they’re winning, they’re going to win, and they’ve won, no matter what the reality on the ground is. He would have said the same even if the election went to Harris. Because they project power by promoting the idea that they are strong and perfect and always win and you’re inadvertently giving them power by believing it.
He also said he would win in a cage match with Zuckerberg, then claimed Zuckerberg was the one who chickened out.
Adding to what the other person said: If they’d lost the election (which was fairly unlikely; the writing was on the wall) they’d have claimed it to be rigged, so his statement would be “true” either way.
Trump and his cohorts were ALWAYS going to claim victory. To this day plenty of them won’t say Biden beat Trump.
Let’s be clear:
Donald Trump pledges allegiance to a red, white, and blue flag—
It’s just not the American one.He did suggest joining the common wealth. Egads! He’s a limey redcoat traitor!
Mmm no, not that one either . .
why does the title say left wing? musk and trump both admitted to it.
because Newsweek
She Won. They Didn’t Just Change the Machines. They Rewired the Election.
How Leonard Leo’s 2021 sale of an electronics firm enabled tech giants to subvert the 2024 election.
The Dark Enlightenment Coup
The missing votes uncovered in Smart Elections’ legal case in Rockland County, New York, are just the tip of the iceberg—an iceberg that extends across the swing states and into Texas.
On Monday, an investigator’s story finally hit the news cycle: Pro V&V, one of only two federally accredited testing labs, approved sweeping last-minute updates to ES&S voting machines in the months leading up to the 2024 election—without independent testing, public disclosure, or full certification review.
These changes were labeled “de minimis”—a term meant for trivial tweaks. But they touched ballot scanners, altered reporting software, and modified audit files—yet were all rubber-stamped with no oversight.
That revelation is a shock to the public.
But for those who’ve been digging into the bizarre election data since November, this isn’t the headline—it’s the final piece to the puzzle. While Pro V&V was quietly updating equipment in plain sight, a parallel operation was unfolding behind the curtain—between tech giants and Donald Trump.
And it started with a long forgotten sale.
A Power Cord Becomes a Backdoor
In March 2021, Leonard Leo—the judicial kingmaker behind the modern conservative legal machine—sold a quiet Chicago company by the name of Tripp Lite for $1.65 billion. The buyer: Eaton Corporation, a global power infrastructure conglomerate that just happened to have a partnership with Peter Thiel’s Palantir.
To most, Tripp Lite was just a hardware brand—battery backups, surge protectors, power strips. But in America’s elections, Tripp Lite devices were something else entirely.
They are physically connected to ES&S central tabulators and Electionware servers, and Dominion tabulators and central servers across the country. And they aren’t dumb devices. They are smart UPS units—programmable, updatable, and capable of communicating directly with the election system via USB, serial port, or Ethernet.
ES&S systems, including central tabulators and Electionware servers, rely on Tripp Lite UPS devices. ES&S’s Electionware suite runs on Windows OS, which automatically trusts connected UPS hardware.
If Eaton pushed an update to those UPS units, it could have gained root-level access to the host tabulation environment—without ever modifying certified election software.
In Dominion’s Democracy Suite 5.17, the drivers for these UPS units are listed as “optional”—meaning they can be updated remotely without triggering certification requirements or oversight. Optional means unregulated. Unregulated means invisible. And invisible means perfect for infiltration.
A New Purpose for the Partnership
After the Tripp Lite acquisition, Eaton stayed under the radar. But in May 2024, it resurfaced with an announcement that escaped most headlines: Eaton was deepening its partnership with Palantir Technologies.
Let’s be clear, Palantir wasn’t brought in for customer service. It was brought in to do what it does best: manage, shape, and secure vast streams of data—quietly. According to Eaton’s own release, Palantir’s role would include:
- AI-driven oversight of connected infrastructure
- Automated analysis of large datasets
- And—most critically—“secure erasure of digital footprints”
The Digital Janitor: also known as forensic sanitization, it was now being embedded into Eaton-managed hardware connected directly to voting systems. Palantir didn’t change the votes. It helped ensure you’d never prove it if someone else did.
BallotProof: The Front-End for Scrubbing Democracy
Enter the ballot scrubbing platform BallotProof. Co-created by Ethan Shaotran, a longtime employee of Elon Musk and current DOGE employee, BallotProof was pitched as a transparency solution—an app to “verify” scanned ballot images and support election integrity.
With Palantir’s AI controlling the backend, and BallotProof cleaning the front, only one thing was missing: the signal to go live.
September 2024: Eaton and Musk Make It Official
Then came the final public breadcrumb:
In September 2024, Eaton formally partnered with Elon Musk.
The stated purpose? A vague, forward-looking collaboration focused on “grid resilience” and “next-generation communications.”
But buried in the partnership documents was this line:“Exploring integration with Starlink’s emerging low-orbit DTC infrastructure for secure operational continuity.”
The Activation: Starlink Goes Direct-to-Cell
That signal came on October 30, 2024—just days before the election, Musk activated 265 brand new low Earth orbit (LEO) V2 Mini satellites, each equipped with Direct-to-Cell (DTC) technology capable of processing, routing, and manipulating real-time data, including voting data, through his satellite network.
DTC doesn’t require routers, towers, or a traditional SIM. It connects directly from satellite to any compatible device—including embedded modems in “air-gapped” voting systems, smart UPS units, or unsecured auxiliary hardware.
From that moment on:
- Commands could be sent from orbit
- Patch delivery became invisible to domestic monitors
- Compromised devices could be triggered remotelyThis groundbreaking project that should have taken two-plus years to build, was completed in just under ten months.
Elon Musk boasts endlessly about everything he’s launching, building, buying—or even just thinking about—whether it’s real or not. But he pulls off one of the largest and fastest technological feats in modern day history… and says nothing? One might think that was kind of… “weird.”
Lasers From Space
According to New York Times reporting, on October 5—just before Starlink’s DTC activation—Musk texted a confidant:
“I’m feeling more optimistic after tonight. Tomorrow we unleash the anomaly in the matrix.”
Then, an hour later:
“This isn’t something on the chessboard, so they’ll be quite surprised. ‘Lasers’ from space.”
It read like a riddle. In hindsight, it was a blueprint.
Let’s review what was in place:
This wasn’t a theory. It was a full-scale operation. A systemic digital occupation—clean, credentialed, and remote-controlled.
The Outcome
Data that makes no statistical sense. A clean sweep in all seven swing states. The fall of the Blue Wall. Eighty-eight counties flipped red—not one flipped blue. Every victory landed just under the threshold that would trigger an automatic recount. Donald Trump outperformed expectations in down-ballot races with margins never before seen—while Kamala Harris simultaneously underperformed in those exact same areas.
If one were to accept these results at face value—Donald Trump, a 34-count convicted felon, supposedly outperformed Ronald Reagan. According to the co-founder of the Election Truth Alliance:
“These anomalies didn’t happen nationwide. They didn’t even happen across all voting methods—this just doesn’t reflect human voting behavior.”
They were concentrated. Targeted. Specific to swing states and Texas—and specific to Election Day voting.
And the supposed explanation? “Her policies were unpopular.”
Let’s think this through logically. We’re supposed to believe that in all the battleground states, Democratic voters were so disillusioned by Vice President Harris’s platform that they voted blue down ballot—but flipped to Trump at the top of the ticket?
Not in early voting. Not by mail. With exception to Nevada, only on Election Day. And only after a certain threshold of ballots had been cast—where VP Harris’s numbers begin to diverge from her own party, and Trump’s suddenly begin to surge. As President Biden would say, “C’mon, man.”
In the world of election data analysis, there’s a term for that: vote-flipping algorithm.
Billionaires and Tech Giants Pulled Off the Crime of the Century
Why? There wasn’t just one reason—there were many.
Elon Musk himself hinted at the stakes: he faced the real possibility of a prison sentence if Trump lost. He launched his bid for Twitter—at $20 billion over market value—just 49 days after Putin invaded Ukraine. That alone should have raised every red flag. But when the ROI is $15 trillion in mineral rights tied to Ukraine losing the war and geopolitical deals Trump could green light, it wasn’t a loss—it was leverage.
It’s no secret Musk was in communication with Putin for over two years. He even granted Starlink access to Russian forces. That’s not just profiteering. That’s treason.
Then there’s Peter Thiel and the so-called “broligarchs”—tech billionaires who worship at the altar of shower-avoidant blogger Curtis Yarvin. They casually joke about “humane genocide for non-producers” and have long viewed democracy as a nuisance—an obstacle to their vision of hypercapitalism and themselves as the permanent ruling elite.
Well, what is the elimination of Medicaid if not “humane genocide”—and does anyone really wonder why his 40-year-old protégé and political rookie, JD Vance, is Vice President? With this technology in place, if the third-term legislation were to pass, it would hand Vance a minimum of twelve years at the helm of Thiel’s regime.
And of course, Donald Trump himself:
He spent a year telling his followers he didn’t need their votes—at one point stating,“…in four years, you don’t have to vote again. We’ll have it fixed so good, you’re not gonna have to vote.”
Trump was facing eighty-eight felony indictments—he was desperate to avoid conviction and locked in a decades-long alliance with Vladimir Putin. An alliance that’s now impossible to ignore—look no further than his policy trail.
He froze aid to Ukraine and has threatened to place sanctions on them, while planning to lift sanctions off Russia. He openly campaigned for anti-EU candidates, and sided with Russia in multiple key United Nations votes related to the Ukraine conflict.
Let’s be clear:
Donald Trump pledges allegiance to a red, white, and blue flag—
It’s just not the American one.What Happens Now?
We don’t need permission to enforce the Constitution. We need courage. While state attorneys general begin their investigations, it only takes one U.S. senator to initiate the disqualification proceedings against the unelected and unfit occupant of the Oval Office.
State Attorneys General and Investigators:
- Conduct independent audits of UPS firmware on Dominion and ES&S machines
- Subpoena communications between Eaton, Palantir, Starlink employees, and Pro V&V
- Audit Starlink satellite logs for the week of the election
- Freeze uncertified infrastructure updates
- Recount physical ballots—by handNow they’re rolling out the same technological toolkit abroad—forcing countries into Starlink contracts in exchange for tariff relief.
The U.S. election wasn’t their endgame. It was their litmus test.
This is a source-check on the other substack article which is quoted from above.
The centerpiece of the new theory is recounted thoroughly in a June 11 Substack post titled “She Won. They Didn’t Just Change the Machines. They Rewired the Election.” Unlike earlier post-election theories, this one doesn’t just focus on theoretical vulnerabilities plus suspicions or vague statistical anomalies. It introduces what it claims is a complete mechanism consisting of software manipulation; a new access mechanism; and a test case.
New Technical Documentation: It describes engineering change orders (ECOs) showing that Pro V&V, a federally accredited test lab, approved software and hardware changes to ES&S voting machines just before the election, without triggering a full certification review. It did so, according to the new claim, by declaring the changes to be “de minimis” (inconsequential) which allowed the changes to be implemented without a complex recertification process. This “de minimis” claim is presented as essentially bogus — a cover to create an ability to make substantive changes without subjecting them to review.
A New Starlink Access Pathway: It claims that Elon Musk’s Starlink gained a new, previously unknown access that provided real-time internet connectivity to voting machines, allowing votes to be altered during tabulation.
‘A “Smoking Gun” Test Case: It cites five machines in Rockland County, NY, that recorded zero votes for Kamala Harris while showing hundreds of votes for other Democrats in the same precincts. These claims suggest a full system: motive, method, and result. According to the post, this wasn’t just dirty politics or local fraud. It was a coordinated digital operation—technically sophisticated, nationally scaled, and hidden in plain sight.
. . . Tentative Conclusions
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The voting machine changes were real, but the idea that Pro V&V scammed the system by claiming “de minimis” to cover up malicious changes does not seem to be supported.
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The deployment of 265 Starlink satellites just before the election is confirmed, but there is no evidence any of them were ever connected to voting tabulators and it appears they played no role in vote counting.
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The “zero vote” anomaly has a strong sociological explanation and a clear historical precedent- bloc voting by orthodox jewish communities acting on recommendation of their rabbi. It happened in 2020 with Joe Biden receiving zero votes as well.
This is the reply from the “This Will Hold” author:
“This Will Hold
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Hi Michael,
Just here to clarify a few things and offer additional context, especially since some of what you’ve presented includes outdated assumptions about air-gapping, “de minimis” logic, and the scope of Starlink’s role in voting infrastructure.
Poll Books vs. Tabulators: Yes, Starlink was “officially” contracted to service e-poll books in multiple counties. What’s been largely overlooked is that many poll books share ports and internal pathways with tabulation systems—especially when all components run through a central UPS or networked control unit. In counties using centralized setups or vendor-integrated “turnkey” packages, the distinction between air-gapped systems and externally connected components becomes blurrier than it should be.
Air-Gapping Is No Longer a Guarantee: The claim that tabulators are “air-gapped” is often cited, but vendor documentation and independent testing contradict that. ES&S DS200s, for example, have modem capabilities that have been activated in previous elections. Add to that the Eaton/Tripp Lite UPS devices with SNMP-enabled network cards—often sitting directly between tabulators and their power/network environment—and it becomes clear there were viable pathways for intrusion, even if indirect.
The Pro V&V ‘De Minimis’ Loophole: This is a bigger deal than most people realize. Pro V&V certified software changes as “de minimis”—which legally sidesteps a full recertification—but the magnitude of those changes, particularly firmware-level updates across multiple counties, raises major red flags. This isn’t a theoretical concern—it’s part of documented complaints from at least three states.
Starlink’s Role Is About Access, Not Visibility: No one is saying Starlink was directly connected to every tabulator. The concern is command-and-control level access. Starlink’s DTC capability—enabled by the Gen2 satellite fleet and confirmed by Musk’s own documentation—bypasses traditional network routes altogether. This isn’t your average ISP connection. It’s a dedicated, private mesh that can sync with smart hardware in real time, independent of local firewalls, and it’s also the reason the “air-gap” dialogue is a nonstarter.
The Ramapo Example (Which I Never Cited): Correct, the voting patterns in ultra-Orthodox communities follow bloc behavior. But that wasn’t my claim. I’ve focused on Clarkstown, where precinct-level data doesn’t follow that sociological trend and includes affidavits from voters whose ballots are inexplicably absent or distorted.
Evidence vs. Admission: The fact that a post-election forensic audit hasn’t caught this yet doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Many audits are partial, lack administrative access, are candidate-specific, or rely on vendor-provided data. Our report is based on data inconsistencies, confirmed system access pathways, contract timelines, and alignment between satellite activation and vote spikes in key precincts.
You said: if someone can offer more information or a correction, you’re open to hearing it. This isn’t just a theory anymore—it’s an evidence-based hypothesis backed by infrastructure records, expert forensic analysis, and patterns too precise to dismiss. Add to that a year’s worth of ‘confessions,’ if you will, from the very person who benefited most from the heist.
We’ve laid the groundwork—there’s more than enough evidence for state attorneys general to open an investigation.
Thanks! - TWH“
And actually, for the first time I can ever remember, I’m specifically recommending reading the comments on there.
it’s quite a stretch to say that Starlink DTC can connect to any “smart device“.
is the author trying to say that UPSes have cellular modems or satellite terminals in them?
Not that I know of. Here’s a good recap of that part:
“Air-Gap” Protection — Theory vs. Reality: This is a critical distinction. The idea that voting systems are “air-gapped”—i.e., not connected to any network—is a common talking point, but it doesn’t hold up under scrutiny.
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Remote updates have been pushed in multiple jurisdictions, sometimes over cellular or satellite connections. Some systems labeled “offline” were shown to have remote management ports.
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Direct-to-Cell (DTC) satellite capability, rolled out by Musk/Starlink in 2024, allowed access without land-based signals. These satellites could interface directly with LTE modems or integrated modules — no Wi-Fi or Ethernet required.
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Pro V&V and system vendors never updated threat models to account for these technologies, and security protocols have not evolved with the real-world capabilities of modern equipment.
So yes — the “air-gap” is now more myth than reality, especially in jurisdictions using equipment with remote-access pathways installed or updated under the guise of “de minimis” changes.
that doesn’t connect the dots. The de minimis update was purportedly to the UPS driver software. Sounds like the implication is that the connection between the UPS and the driver was used to backdoor the systems. Which device exactly was supposed to have received the Starlink DTC connection?
I really encourage you to read both articles but it sounds like you might want to start with the comment thread on the second substack one.
I don’t know, because I’m not anything close to the author but I’ll go see if I can find the answer to that.
Edit: Okay I think this is the relevant part. Basically the theory is that Palantir’s “digital janitor” was used to upgrade voting machine firmware and then erase itself. That upgrade would allow LTE modems to connect to Starlink. That’s my read, I could be wrong.
The Activation: Starlink Goes Direct-to-Cell
That signal came on October 30, 2024—just days before the election, Musk activated 265 brand new low Earth orbit (LEO) V2 Mini satellites, each equipped with Direct-to-Cell (DTC) technology capable of processing, routing, and manipulating real-time data, including voting data, through his satellite network.
DTC doesn’t require routers, towers, or a traditional SIM. It connects directly from satellite to any compatible device—including embedded modems in “air-gapped” voting systems, smart UPS units, or unsecured auxiliary hardware.
From that moment on:
- Commands could be sent from orbit
- Patch delivery became invisible to domestic monitors
- Compromised devices could be triggered remotelyRight, which device is supposed to have an LTE modem? that would be an obvious and unusual addition to a UPS.
I think they’re referring to the voting machines. Some examples:
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/10/14/wireless-modems-could-endanger-midterms-00061769
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/21/magazine/the-myth-of-the-hacker-proof-voting-machine.html
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Proof that stupids are stupids no matter their politics.
Edit: Yikes.
The people denying this are the same ones who screamed collusion the first time around, and this is infinitely more clear and obvious. Why are you so desperate to assert that trump won fair and square as it becomes clearer and clearer that isn’t the case?
I’m just glad some of y’all are starting to realize, I remember getting banned from multiple communities for stating the obvious cx
This article was from right after the election, before Rockland county found that its votes didn’t add up and the investigation that followed.
I’d be curious to see newsweeks update considering that information.
Holy shit, OP. Those huge replies to your own post make you seem like a loony.
It’s a bit much to take in.
Hey, thanks a lot.
I hope you realize those replies are the body of the linked article. It was too much to individually quote but I’ll try to go back and make that more apparent.
Thank you. Btw I have seen others link to snapshots of articles on archive sites instead.
Well the substack article, which is where the quotes are from, is not paywalled. In certain situations I find it’s better to put the words in front of people than behind a link as even the simple matter of a click to an outside domain deters most.
I thought you did it, in case it gets removed.
No. I’m sure its archived in a few places.
Why would the left wing need a reason why Kamala lost? Any reason that isn’t “because neoliberalism has failed again” works against the interests of the left. To the extent that this idea has any believers whatsoever, it comes from the centrists who desperately need an excuse.
Yeah there seems to be a real disconnect about the usage of “liberal” and “left wing” particularly on Lemmy. My guess is that it’s due to a large international presence in which liberal has different meanings in different political arenas.
That said, I don’t see how your point stands anyway because “left” voters would still want a free and fair election, unless they’re just straight up anarchists or other flavor that doesn’t care about elections.
It’s too early to just accept this as fact. It may be true, and may not. It may be true but didn’t swing the election. What’s absolutely true though is that the race shouldn’t have been close enough to even make a Republican win remotely believable.
The Democrats made it close by putting wealthy interests ahead of voters to the highest degree they thought they could get away with. Dance long enough on the Cliff’s edge and eventually you fall in - or maybe you get pushed. Not a lot of difference ultimately.
Well, . . . IF it’s true, it very definitely did swing the election - that being the entire point of it.
The perceived platform of the Democrats notwithstanding.
This appears to be the larger body working on it:
If every aspect of what’s being alleged is entirely true, then yes. The thing is, it’s a huge collection of different allegations that range from probable to unhinged. They aren’t all going to be 100% true.
The fact that they spend so much time in their video on Trump saying they don’t need votes is a big red flag to me. They put so much effort into priming people to believe that I don’t think they have quite convinced themselves.
All of these allegations combined actually pale in comparison with the impact of media consolidation and establishment manipulation of coverage. Our primary process is an absolute travesty that can be trivially manipulated on the whim of the establishment to get whatever outcome they desire.
Which parts read as unhinged to you?
Agreed on the media part, but that’s a very old conspiracy.
Agreed on the media part, but that’s a very old conspiracy.
I hate to use the word “conspiracy” on it - first because it implies that it’s a “conspiracy theory” when most of it happens in plain sight, and second because it’s less of a cabal and more just a bunch of rich folks with common interests acting in common ways.
Which parts read as unhinged to you?
Jumping right from claiming that Trump over-performing (compared to down-ticket races) more in swing states than other states leads straight to the conclusion that a “vote changing algorithm” must be responsible for the difference is a big one. There are other perfectly plausible explanations. For instance, maybe anti-establishment sentiment is part of what makes a purple state purple, and anti-establishment Trump voters are more likely to split their ticket. The analysis offered is incredibly shallow, and seems to rely entirely on statistical analysis without considering sociological context. I’m also curious why a group so competent as to be able to pull this off wouldn’t have tipped votes in down-ticket races as well.
On the other hand, a lot of the voter suppression claims are very plausible, and some are even obviously true. It’s almost not revelatory at all to say that Republicans use voter suppression to win races. Specifics of particular instances are worth questioning, but Republicans have been doing it in the open for decades, and it has definitely blown up in the time since the court gutted the voting rights act.
There is also the general over-reliance on a single expert, who is apparently “the leading U.S. expert in election forensics”. Looking at his citations, that title is not justified by his academic career. What I see is some mild success early on, and a decade+ drift towards irrelevance. I see a career that could maybe benefit from a prominent association with a media frenzy over a stolen US election.
Oh just conspiracy in “two or more parties working together towards a harmful act” sort of thing. Doesn’t have to be secret.
The part about a particular number of votes being needed to trigger the algorithm is an interesting part of it. In that reply to the second substack post he explains why Elmo’s 20 million investment in the Wisconsin supreme court runoff didn’t pay out for him, and it was about volume of votes.
There’s also this graphic which is interesting.
I haven’t read up on the expert academic but having a stalled career doesn’t discount anything for me if so. The numbers and facts should speak for themselves anyway.
