How long until he says itās antisemitic to vote against him
Iāve met Russian-speaking Israelis in TG, and even if he hasnāt, they already think that.
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If it is antisemitic to simply describe what the soldiers are doing, then the actions themselves are antisemitic.
Exactly this! Very succinctly put!
I wouldnāt call it antisemitic
However, it is deeply disturbing and unethical and Israel is desperately covering up by any means necessary
Well, maybe in the original meaning of the word. Most Palestinians do speak a Semitic language. The word usually now mean anti-jewish though.
These days it seems to mean anti what ever views Israel wants you to have
It has been so watered down it isnāt even funny
āEverything I dont like is antisemitismā
Or woke, or communism.
And Hamas.
Hamas is antisemitic and has publicly bragged about it
Evil brings evil
You may not be wrong, but that doesnāt make you right.
Sure, but Israel depends on hamas to justify their genocide.
They have funded them.Witb justification or not israel will always oppress palestinians because it believe all rhe land is jewish.
Israel didnāt fund hamas, qatar did. Unlike hamas, israel collect palestinian taxes in west bank and directly fund them with part of it
They have sent money to hamas, and encoraged qatarās payments.
Again. Nothing enter palestine without israel approval. The palestinian autority get directly paid by israel. The palestinian autority is collaborating with israel and protect israel security while israel is funding illegal settlers , protect them when they attack, demolish palestinians homes. Torture, rape and kill palestinians.
Answer this question. If all armed group get destroyed do you think israel will stop occupation?
No, I donāt. But its much easier for them to bomb palestine with the threat of hamas.
This is false. Hamas since its founding has repeatedly stated they only fight against Israel because of resistance to settler colonialism and ethnic cleansing and not because of their religion.
You can hear the founder of Hamas say so here: https://youtu.be/FCxRZrBYLVg
āI am jewish and did terrible thingsā
āFuckin jew hater! He wants to kill all jews!ā
That makes sense right?
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Sounds about right sadly
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Judaism is not what youāre saying.
Then it needs to step up and take responsibility for its own extremists.
Nothing they are doing has any connection to Judaism. Other than bullshit lines Israeli officials say, that also align more with particular kind of Christianity, utilizing kinda augmented Jewsā role in it.
Try saying that to the typical brainwashed MSM propaganda consumer.
I, as a random Jew, am not responsible for the actions of the Jewish terrorists in Israel, or any other Jew for that matter. Just like a random Muslim isnāt responsible for the actions of Hamas. Itās pretty insulting to suggest otherwise.
The greatest antisemitism there is, is trying to link the most depraved nation state of the XXI century (so far) and its actions, to all Jewish People, both by its implying that any actions commited by that nation state no matter how depraved and violent are How Jews Behave, and because such ārepresentation by a nation stateā would only be possible if āall Jews are the sameā, both things which are extreme racist takes.
Wow, the āthatās antisemiticā saying really is an all encompassing get out of jail free card.
Itās a masterkey unlocking all doors now
I feel so bad for any Jewish people who donāt support this shit. Thereās gonna be multiple generations of actual antisemitism spawned by Israelās actions and the fact that the American deep state is obsessed with supporting them.
And will Likud have cried wolf enough that people start to disregard antisemitism entirely?
Itās just a common religious tactic. When they do bad things, they get angry at anyone who tried to call them out on it. Even if itās their own people, and they arenāt doing it on purpose. Is the hate being supported by their religion? Yes? Then itās religious hate, and needs to be stopped.
Does it matter if itās one religion? Nope, they all do this shit. Radical christians, radical hindu, radical buddhists, etcā¦ Call them out on their bullshit and hate, and youāre the bigot. Well, fuck religion and the hate they all spew.
Well, fuck religion and the hate they all spew.
Itās not really the religion though, basically all religions come with a set of believes in what is wrong and right and the hate-spewing war criminals will say it has to do with their religion, but they do not follow the believes set out by their religion. They are only using religion as a tool to gain power over the people that do follow the believes of that religion.
āItās not really the religionā¦ā
Explains how it is, in fact, religion.
Perhaps learn to read.
Itās people that are the problem. People with their shitty attitudes.
Religion is not the problem.
Potato potato.
Itās really not.
I disagree.
I respect that. It saddens me though.
Imperialism, supermasism and ressource controls.
Youāre right, of course. The real problem, as you pointed out, is religious states.
See also: the way the US has become increasingly brazen about its atrocities as the Evangelicals have sunk their tentacles deeper and deeper into our political system.
On the other hand, there have been Jewish states before modern Israel, and it always ended in tears. Maybe believing that youāre Godās chosen people inevitably causes you to act with an arrogance and belief in your own invincibilty that eventually causes your country to be destroyed. If you believe God literally wants you to have a piece of dirt, why practice good diplomacy and have good relations with your neighbors? Your only concern is keeping God happy. In the Old Testament, the Israelites suffered invasion only when they somehow let God down. With that as your cultural foundation, what does that do to your nationās foreign policy?
Part of me really is starting to wonder if giving folks who think theyāre Godās special chosen people was a terrible mistake.
what theocracies of any religion havenāt āended in tearsā?
Part of me really is starting to wonder if giving folks who think theyāre Godās special chosen people was a terrible mistake.
I think you missed a word or two there.
Iād suggest the mistake was giving people a country which was already occupied by other people. Whatever myth gets used to justify it, be it godās chosen people or manifest destiny.
Iām not an expert in their religion but I doubt their religion says that committing genocide and all kinds of war crime atrocities is a good thing.
Theyāre Zionists, this is actually a core part of the end goals outlined in every Abrahamic religion, they are literally hoping to destroy all the non children of god and take over the world. Weāre all just Canaanites to them if weāre not on their team.
I believe that in Judaism there is some traditions of interpretation which can justify the current situation. But it isnāt a religion based on obedience as much as discussion so it isnāt a matter of what is āsaidā as much as what is understood.
However much more relevant is the powerful and mainstream protestant Christian prophesies where the Rapture can be hastened by people taking certain steps, including having a jewish state in israel. (The jews, like most other people, will ultimately get horrifically exterminated during the Rapture, which is considered desirable to adherents.) Impatience for this Rapture is one of the reasons people and governments support Israel. American Christian groups provide way more funding and material support for Israel than jewish groups do.
Radical Buddhists
Now, I am not going to disagree here because I donāt know a lot about it, but the only radical Buddhist I ever heard about was a dude who set himself on fire to protest the Vietnamese government oppressing Buddhists in the 60s and monks in China fighting against tyranical rulers that would have exterminated them. Have any radical Buddhists ever hurt others for not believing in their system of faith?
Look into the ongoing Rohingya genocide.
This kind of shit is a carbon copy of how the Nazis used claims of people being āagainst the Aryan raceā to deflect criticism of the actions of the Nazis.
I think this is religion being weaponized to support the extreme depravity of an ethno-Fascist ideology, rather than an inherent drive in that religion.
In other words, the problem with Religions is not them having an inherent tendency for this kind of thing, is that they are extremely easy to capture and use to support even the most depraved behaviours, being capable of excusing actions well beyond what most other prepackaged belief systems are able to successfully excuse.
In summary, I donāt think Religion is a driver of this kind of shit, I think itās an enabler.
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Hey, Israel is so super ethical. They one try on womenās lingerie because it keeps them from getting shot. They only starve children because those children will become terrorist. They only shoot people seeking aid or food because theyāre seeking aid or food. What would you do if someone wanted water? Not shoot them? Are you insane?!
This comment is sarcasm. Fuck Israel and the IDF.
IDF just checking out the stats msfw
You, sir, are mentally deranged.
Probably more desperate than anything
No, you know whatās anti-semitic? Defiling your ancestors by being a fucking genocidal Nazi.
It is actually impressive that the leader of Israel is the bad guy
When Israel was being founded in 1948 the UN sent a diplomat to help negotiate between the Palestinians and Israeli populations. He was a Swedish man who negotiated the release of over 30,000 prisoners from Nazi Germany in 1945. He was assassinated by Israeli Zionists.
Zionism is just weaponizing religion for the use by a government in my opinion. If thatās how Zionists acted when they were formed, why should we expect different from Zionists there now.The first pm of Israel was a genocidal terrorist. This is the status quo for states built on genocide.
Not at all. The genocide isnāt new, itās built into the very fabric of modern Israel. https://www.theguardian.com/books/2001/may/31/londonreviewofbooks
Always been.
I always find it weird when I remember that Netanyahu is just some dude from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
Well I would argue Netanyahu is the head anti-semitist since by over using this word he has destroyed any weight that it carries. It now has effectively become a joke.
I think heās antisemitic because heās carrying atrocities against Semitic people. Arabs are Semitic people.
The real irony of all this is that the people being genocides right now in Gaza have a much closer genetic relationship to the actual human beings who wrote the Torah than those who are genociding them. Weāre watching the actual descendents of the ancient Israelites being exterminated right now.
Checkmate
Every day that word gets cheapened to the detriment of Jewish people everywhere.
Itās so sinister. Latching on to the real history of blood libel to not only reinforce the idea that liberal media lies as a matter of routine, but to simultaneously use that reinforcement to build up the idea that liberals are either secretly antisemetic or too led around by the nose by propaganda to realize their antisemitism.
Of course itās deeply antisemitic for netanyahu to do this. Itās also going to be extremely effective.
The religions throw around antisemitism like itās a catch phrase. Donāt forget āislamophobiaā.
Itās all just stealth blasphemy laws. āDonāt talk bad about our hate religion, or youāre a bad personā. Thatās what blasphemy laws are, and theyāre illegal for good reasons.
Why the fuck youāre doing a pointing game with the word āantisemeticā is beyond me. Sounds like the typical christian ātheyāre not real christians, only I am!!!ā
islamaphobia dint really stick with people, anti-semitic has been around and established for decades of documented atrocities. islamaphobia is a very new concept has to do with extremely prejuidicial white people.
I think it actually trivializes the allegations made by the IDF solidiers because the substance of historical āblood libelā myths seem almost gentle by comparison of what is actually going on. Baking bread with the blood of the occasional child would hardly even be noticed among the on going horrific carnage.
All those liberals going along with the idea that itās possible to discriminate in a positive way only have themselves to blame when it turned out that their āpositiveā support of those they perceive as representatives of an ethnicity whom they (the liberals) view as āvictimsā as whole (i.e. all individuals of that ethnicity, rather than just the actual victims) was just racist prejudice and discrimination and stupidly easy to abuse to support ethnic cleansing (as long as those doing the murdering are from a āvictimā race).
Support for any kind of ethnic-wide assumptions about people and different standards of judgement and actions towards them based on their ethnicity, is the very same kind of view of oneās fellow human beings as the Nazis had, just with different āgoodā races and ābadā races.
People should be judged on and treated based on what they support and what they do, not the ethnicity they were born into.
Netanyahu says itās antisemitic
Learn a new trick, fuckface. This one doesnāt work anymore. People are going to start responding to accusations like this with āso what?ā because the word has been watered down to such a ridiculous degree that it is no longer meaningful.
And thatās really dangerous because it provides cover for actual antisemitism against Jewish people.
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Maybe donāt commit hate crimes?
Ask yourself, really what the fuck do hate crimes and vocabulary have to do with each other? I see your point, itās just not really a point.
Tbh, it used to be justified, and in some circumstances it still is justified.
Jews used to be the biggest ālive-inā minority in Europe. So, a minority that lives in the same country and doesnāt have a separate homeland. Kinda similar to black people in the USA. Contrary to regular migration, groups like that canāt return home and they canāt just assimilate.
If you look at regular migration, if someoneās family has lived in the country for 4 generations, they arenāt foreigners any more. Someone might say they have a Polish grandma, or they might say they are of Italian ancestry, but they arenāt Polish or Italian themselves any more.
Jews, especially before WW2, couldnāt do that. They were a discriminated against minority that was kept separate of the rest of society. A bit like black people in the USA after slavery was abolished.
So racism against them was a whole other order than the regular racism/xenophobia faced by other immigrants.
WW2 showed how bad that special kind of racism turned out to be, but WW2 wasnāt an isolated event in time or location. Anti-Semitism had been rampant for centuries if not millennia before that, and it wasnāt just localized to Germany. Just read up on e.g. Henry Ford, just to pick a random name from the bucket.
That said, things have shifted after WW2. Specifically antisemitic laws are pretty much gone in the western world, religion in general is not nearly as critically important as it was and there are now more than enough people of Jewish descent in the western world who donāt identify as Jews or who arenāt noticeable as Jews. And for a large part, society has accepted a special āprotectionā status for Jews to prevent a second Holocaust.
In consequence, the hate against Jews has mostly shifted into hate against Muslims, and many far-right/right-extremist people are now arguing that they canāt be Nazis because they now donāt hate Jews but instead hate Muslims. As if the problem with the Nazis wasnāt genocide and suppression of minorities, but instead genocide and suppression of Jews specifically.
But yeah, Nazis will be Nazis, and they will argue in bad faith to justify themselves. Nothing new there.
The person you are responding to characterized antisemitism as āsupposedly committing racist actionsā which is an ignorant and hateful thing. You are arguing whether or not the existence of a word āstill is justifiedā. Words donāt need to be justified or not; they go in or out of favor based on utility.
As if the problem with the Nazis wasnāt genocide and suppression of minorities, but instead genocide and suppression of Jews specifically.
This holocaust denialism. One of the major and specific problems with the nazis was their attitude regarding jews. They didnāt have a problem with āminoritiesā. They used long standing conspiratorial intolerance to consolidate power into the hands of their minority.
One of the reasons israel thinks it can keep riding the āeverything is antisemeticā horse is because of how comfortable people clearly are with actual anti semitism.
This holocaust denialism. One of the major and specific problems with the nazis was their attitude regarding jews. They didnāt have a problem with āminoritiesā. They used long standing conspiratorial intolerance to consolidate power into the hands of their minority.
I think you missed my point. For one, Nazis didnāt only want to exterminate Jews. Roma, Sinti, homosexuals, communists and disabled people (just to name a few other groups) were also on the chopping block.
But my main point here was that if the holocaust wasnāt about killing Jews but instead about exterminating the French, it would have been just as horrible and Nazis would have been just as horrible.
You are arguing whether or not the existence of a word āstill is justifiedā. Words donāt need to be justified or not; they go in or out of favor based on utility.
No, Iām not arguing about the justification of the existence of the word, but of the applicability of the concept. Slavery is still a word and we still all know the word, no question about that, but at least in Europe, legalized slavery isnāt really a concept we need to put a lot of political effort into, because it doesnāt exist any more.
The concept is not applicable to today. We donāt need to have laws governing how slaves are treated, how the process of freeing slaves go, how former slaves are treated in society. We donāt even need to have discussions about that topic, because thereās no legalized slavery any more.
And in the same vein I think itās justified to think about whether Jews really still need this protected status over e.g. Muslims or refugees. At least over here, itās not so rare that e.g. refugee homes are set on fire by right-wing extremists. All sorts of Jewish institutions in my city have a permanent police guard stationed outside of them to protect them from potential attacks, even though they havenāt really happened in decades, while mosques or refugee homes usually donāt have that.
A similar thing is happening on a grander scale with Israel and its neighbours. Theyāve been squashing Palestine under their heels for decades, but in false anti-antisemitism the governments of countries like Germany have been agreeing with everything Israelās government does, because Jews are the better minority and Muslims are sub-human, or something like that.
So my point is not ādoes the word antisemitism has a place in the dictionaryā, but instead ādo Jews need this higher protection status over everyone else, or is there maybe another group that could need protection as well/more?ā
Slavery is still a word and we still all know the word, no question about that, but at least in Europe, legalized slavery isnāt really a concept we need to put a lot of political effort into, because it doesnāt exist any more.
We donāt need to have laws governing how slaves are treated, how the process of freeing slaves go, how former slaves are treated in society. We donāt even need to have discussions about that topic, because thereās no legalized slavery any more.
I guess you have never heard of the UKās 2015 Modern Slavery Act (āAn Act to make provision about slavery, servitude and forced or compulsory labour and about human trafficking, including provision for the protection of victims; to make provision for an Independent Anti-slavery Commissioner; and for connected purposesā).
If you web search for any organization or company thatās active in the UK, you will find they have a bunch of disclosures and policies relating to slavery. Here are some randoms ones to save your fingers from working too hard: the NHS, Apple, Leviās
There is movement towards EU-wide anti-slavery legislation.
And in the same vein I think itās justified to think about whether Jews really still need this protected status over e.g. Muslims or refugees. At least over here, itās not so rare that e.g. refugee homes are set on fire by right-wing extremists. All sorts of Jewish institutions in my city have a permanent police guard stationed outside of them to protect them from potential attacks, even though they havenāt really happened in decades, while mosques or refugee homes usually donāt have that.
Presumably you have spent
zeromoments looking into the validity of the claim about no attack in decades, just like the one about slavery being a non-issue. I proceed on the premise that you are ignorant and incorrect.āAnti semitismā describes a unique and specific form of bigotry which is deeply entrenched in Europe and elsewhere which is influenced by European culture. Itās different than anti-black racism, orientalism, or islamiphobia to name a few. They all ādeserveā their own words to describe the nuances.
Obviously you should do something about peopleās houses being set on fire. Jews are are certainly not the primary barrier. I bet if you were to look at people who are in positions to actually do anything, youāll find most of them are Christians. And do you think those cops who are paid to stand around all day as street furniture would really change anything for the better if they were re-deployed? Theyād probably assist the arsonists.
Israel is a criminal enterprise from top to bottom. It has many advocates, the most effective and powerful of whom are not jewish, who conduct themselves in heinous fashion. Israel was created after WW2 by europeans who were semi-regretful about the holocaust, but were happy to not have a bunch of poor jewish refugees returning home. And by Europeans who didnāt regard the arab or muslim inhabitants of Palestine as human beings. Europe and the US have been in active support and benefiting from Israelās crimes for decades.
We need to be able to use our brains to get through the swamp of propaganda without falling back on old bigotries. Blaming jews for structural problems is one of the core tenants of nazisim. I donāt know if you are a nazi or youāve just picked up a bit of it through culture, or something in between.
I think you might be falling into reflexive attack patterns instead of actually trying to understand what I am saying.
What I am saying is that all minorities should have the necessary protections, and that Jews are used for ānon-Nazi-washingā by a lot of the right-wing speakers.
Itās a common argument to claim that one isnāt a Nazi because heās for the Israelis mass-killing Muslims in Palestine.
I donāt know if you are a nazi or youāve just picked up a bit of it through culture, or something in between.
Yep. Sadly only a reflexive attack pattern instead of actual trying to understand what was said.
I have always voted for left parties. I am for human rights for everyone. I am for rights for all minorities including Muslims and Jews. I am pro immigration. I am for trans/LGBTQ+ rights and for abortion rights. I am against genocides being committed regardless of who is committing them. According to you I am a Nazi, totally fits the bill, correct?
the existence of a specific term is due to pervasive and long standing existence of antisemitism in Europe.
I understand the literal reason, I just donāt think itās a particularly good one.
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a special word for being prejudiced against the Roma People
According to wikipedia you have several choices: āantigypsyism, anti-Romanyism, antiziganism, ziganophobia, or Romaphobiaā.
Furthermore there are terms āporajmos (also porrajmos or pharrajimosāliterally, ādevouringā or ādestructionā in some dialects of the Romani language)ā¦ Balkan Romani activists prefer to use the term samudaripen (āmass killingā)ā to describe the holocaust on Romani people.
Itās difficult to over emphasize how willfully ignorant the above commenter is. They donāt care about jews or roma. This is an example of real anti semitism, which continues to pervade, and is the reason why Israel and its oligarchs can get away with mislabeling legitimate activity as such. Because everyone knows there are people like this running around who are seeking to ride the wave of empathy for the palestinians (who they also donāt care about) to stir up anti-jew attitudes.
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Itās all they have to hide behind.
As a wise man once said: Never get high on your own supply.
Why are none of these evil dictators just dying of a heart attack already?!? Letās gooo!
Because there is no god.
If there was a god, the āchosen peopleā wouldnāt need an Iron Dome, just clasped hands, and they certainly wouldnāt need hospitals paid on the American dime.
The loudest proponents of faith always need some kind of non-faith based material resource, strangely enough.
āGod demands that you give me all your money and work slavishly under meā¦for reasons!ā
certainly no death note thatās for sure
Or maybe there is one and it just really fucking hates us, but weāll likely never know.
I think, if so, weāll know soon enough.
But thereās the CIA heart attack pistol from the 70s
