• VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf
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    This smells really fishy. They quote her directly when it comes to her taking the side of Palestinians in general (aka, the oppressed population) but when it comes to her supposed support of Hamas in particular, all there is in the article is a paraphrase of THEIR version, not a direct quote.

    Sounds like a political hit job.

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      There’s this idea going around that directly quoting the thing a person got cancelled for is spreading whatever hate they were spreading.

      The obvious side effect of such a practice is that people who get silenced never get their side of the story told.

      I find that sketchy as well

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        Actually, it turned out that the article DOES directly quote what she was cancelled for. It was just that the article made it sound like she’d declared her undying loyalty to Hamas when in actual fact she hadn’t even mentioned them. I’m just gonna copy a comment of mine from earlier today explaining the whole thing:

        Can someone please tell the freedom fighters in Palestine to flip their phones and film horizontal," she wrote on the platform on Saturday.

        That’s all. If you’re very inattentive or deliberately misinterpreting her words, you’d think that she was endorsing Hamas as “freedom fighters”.

        But if you DO pay attention and know anything, you’ll notice that she never mentions Hamas and know that Hamas aren’t usually the ones filming any of their atrocities. Add her clarification from a few days later and it’s clear that she did NOT endorse Hamas and is the victim of character assassination because she had the temerity to speak up against the apartheid regime:

        I just want to make it clear that this statement in no way shape or form is [inciting] spread of violence," she said. "I specifically said freedom fighters because that’s what the Palestinian citizens are… fighting for freedom every day.

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        And what bullshit would that be? Anything that would be a fireable offense?

        That’s not rhetorical or sealioning btw. I’m genuinely asking since I’m not familiar with her at all other than clears throat some of her early work several years ago…

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          I don’t know so I won’t speak to that, and no judgement of right or wrong here, but this is the US. Anything is or can be a fireable offense so long as it’s not one of a few specific protected things. In almost every state. So making a post on social media pretty much regardless of content can be a fireable offense if the company deems it so.

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            Just because it’s technically allowed doesn’t mean it’s not reprehensible treatment of a mostly blameless person, though. I’m not sure it even IS technically allowed, actually. She might have a good libel and wrongful termination/breach of contract case…

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              As I said, no judgement from me one way or another. Also we have no way of knowing what kind of contract she had or whether there was some kind of morality clause. Maybe this violated it. Maybe not.

              All I was saying was that, whether right or wrong, employment can be terminated pretty much anywhere in the United States for any reason as long as it’s not a protected thing, which this almost certainly is not. So saying something is or isn’t a fireable offense probably needs some context. Because anything could be a fireable offense if the company thinks it is.

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                You’re right, I should have been more clear about expressing what I actually meant in the first place. I meant should but said would lol

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      I don’t think a reputable publication would post hate speech verbatim, even if it’s from someone else. There might be an archive somewhere?

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        Not true. They post hate speech from right wing politicians verbatim all the time.

        As for the tweets being somewhere else, it seems that it’s this:

        Can someone please tell the freedom fighters in Palestine to flip their phones and film horizontal

        To the inattentive and/or wilfully misinterpreting, that might come off as an endorsement of Hamas as “freedom fighters”, but note that she doesn’t mention Hamas by name and that Hamas aren’t usually the ones filming any of their atrocities.

        Add her clarification from a few days later and it’s clear she’s talking about regular people filming the atrocities of the Israeli oppressors and isn’t referring to terrorism at all, unless you define it broadly enough to include the Israeli state terrorism:

        I just want to make it clear that this statement in no way shape or form is [inciting] spread of violence," she said. "I specifically said freedom fighters because that’s what the Palestinian citizens are… fighting for freedom every day

        As I suspected, she didn’t do what they said she did. She just had the temerity to speak up against the apartheid regime.

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          I tried to read all her Tweets despite not having a Twitter account and yes, none of them mention Hamas or support Hamas. She’s just telling people to tear down the wall.

          Apparently, that’s only okay in Berlin and other places. Clearly tearing down the siege wall surrounding Gaza or the apartheid wall that has plagued Palestinians and ruined their agricultural lands for years and years is a big no-no.

          Down with the goddamn fucking walls.

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            apartheid wall that has plagued Palestinians and ruined their agricultural lands for years and years is a big no-no.

            Not to mention thousands being forced to go through military checkpoints to reach the nearest schools and hospitals, if they’re lucky enough to even be allowed to pass.

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              She meant freedom fighters, not necessarily Hamas. She seems to have also clarified in another tweet what she meant by that.

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    “If you can look at the situation and not be on the side of Palestinians, then you are on the wrong side of apartheid and history will show that in time,”

    This post on her part was fine, but the other one…not so much. She should have stuck with this one only, rather than whatever the frick murderous thing that other post was.

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      Keep in mind she was a Lebanese refugee that lived through the conflict between Hezbollah and Israel. I’m not condoning anything she said but she has a somewhat understandable view of the whole situation.

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        lived through the conflict between Hezbollah and Israel

        And what about the conflict between actual Lebanon and what became Hezbollah?

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          Dunno why this is getting downvoted, the only Lebanese folks who don’t despise Hazbollah are Hezbollah, and the Iranian dispatched clerics.

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        So it justifies murdering children. Got it. We know where you stand!

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          Israel just murdered 200 children in 3 days, so far. Was that justified?

          Oh, but they’re Palestinian so they don’t count. Otherwise people like you would have lost their minds decades ago.

          When the Hamas murders children it’s terrorism, it’s an atrocity, it’s inhuman (and I agree).

          When the IDF murders children it’s Tuesday.

          It’s on the news every day. And people like you couldn’t care less.

          Keep chewing on that nice Zionist propaganda. I choose humanity.

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            Why can’t we condemn both?

            Hamas committed atrocities and Israel has responded with atrocities. That doesn’t make calling Hamas “freedom fighters” in this context any less deplorable.

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              I don’t think she was refering to Hamas as freedom fighters. Everybody was just eager to put it in her mouth (eh).

              Answering your question, yes, we can condemn them both. But in different ways.

              Israel “created” Hamas. You can only push a people so far. The oppression and humiliation, generation after generation is bound to create extreme hate. And that’s how shit like Hamas sprouts. Israel has been breeding that hate for decades.

              But…Hamas actions are still their own. I can live in a world with Israel if Israel changes. But Hamas has to go. But something else will appear if Israel keeps pushing on the Palestinians. Hamas is a symptom.

              The cycle of violence has to be broken. And the one that has the upper hand has to do it to be effective. The 2 state solution is dead. It’s ironic that these 2 peoples can’t live with each other but at the same time they need each other.

              Palestine is too fractured to thrive without Israel. Israel, while it might not seem so, needs to make good with Palestine to consolidate its place in the region. Without that peace Israel is doomed on the long term. When the chips are down and the US is not there to help they will find themselves completely isolated surrounded by hostile countries. And that Israel cannot survive.

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      Is there a quote for the other post? I heard it was just paraphrased, so we don’t know what she actually said

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        Can someone please tell the freedom fighters in Palestine to flip their phones and film horizontal," she wrote on the platform on Saturday.

        That’s all. If you’re very inattentive or deliberately misinterpreting her words, you’d think that she was endorsing Hamas as “freedom fighters”.

        But if you DO pay attention and know anything, you’ll notice that she never mentions Hamas and know that Hamas aren’t usually the ones filming any of their atrocities. Add her clarification from a few days later and it’s clear that she did NOT endorse Hamas and is the victim of character assassination because she had the temerity to speak up against the apartheid regime:

        I just want to make it clear that this statement in no way shape or form is [inciting] spread of violence," she said. "I specifically said freedom fighters because that’s what the Palestinian citizens are… fighting for freedom every day.

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          I’m confused. Who else is fighting besides Hamas and the IDF?

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            There are other kinds of fighting than violence on a grand scale. Regular Palestinians are fighting the apartheid regime in ways big and small every day.

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              Thanks, that’s pretty much what I figured you’d say. The down vote was a nice touch.

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                Yeah, I have this odd quirk of downvoting sealions when they ask bad faith questions with obvious answers that they refuse to accept. I’m kooky like that!

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            The al-Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigade is the militant wing of Fatah, the al-Quds Brigades are the militant wing of the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, the DFLP is also active as the Martyr Omar Al-Qasim Forces.

            It’s not just Hamas.

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          Can you please tell me how else can you interpret that statement other than her asking for better footage of the atrocities committed by the Hamas?

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            Hamas don’t tend to film their own atrocities and they’re not the only ones committing atrocities.

            Israel is also committing atrocities and the oppressed citizens of Palestine are filming a lot of it. THAT’S the footage she asked to be recorded in landscape rather than portrait.

            Perhaps still not in the best taste for a public platform, but it’s a damn sight better than endorsing terrorism like this article and others are incorrectly claiming.

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              Why don’t “freedom fighters” don’t “fight” the atrocities rather than film them?

              Keep in mind this was said in the context of the Hamas attack.

              Seems like you people are just whitewashing her.

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                You’re seriously asking why regular unarmed people are documenting human rights abuses rather than physically attack heavily armed soldiers who are in the middle of demonstrating how little Palestinian lives matter to them? Is that what you’re actually asking?

                Also, who says it was said in the context of the latest Hamas atrocity? Judging by the actual words and sentences, it would seem much more likely to be in response to bad video of the retaliatory atrocities of the Israeli oppressors.

                Seems like you’re very eager to tar and feather her for speaking up against your favorite ethnostate.

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                Why don’t “freedom fighters” don’t “fight” the atrocities rather than film them?

                those regular civilians should hit the missiles with baseball bats, that’ll show 'em. Much more effective than filming the atrocities being inflicted upon them and spreading the word online!

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          Holly shit the mental gymnastics here are astounding. You’re just casually assuming that she is some kind of top geopolitical expert.

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            Nope. I’m merely refraining from assuming without evidence that she’s endorsing terrorism.

            You don’t have to be “some kind of top geopolitical expert” to know that Hamas don’t tend to film their atrocities themselves and that oppressed Palestinians very often film the atrocities of the Israeli occupation forces.

            If there’s any mental gymnastics here, it’s in confusing common knowledge for elite geopolitical expertise.

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              I think you don’t realise how little knowledge “common knowledge” actually is. Peolple on lemmee arent you’re average joe when it comes to geopolitical knowledge. I am not dismissing her knowledge eitherx but i believe you are overestimating it.

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                Yeah because a Lebanese-American public figure who sympathises with the plight of Palestine has NEVER had to answer bad faith arguments equating Hamas with all Palestinians and would thus have NO need for more knowledge about the methods of them than your average inattentive and incurious casual ingester of pro-regime billionaire-owned American news! 🙄

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          there’s no way a thinking person would come to the conclusion you just did

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            There’s no way that a rationally thinking person WOULDN’T. How’s the weather in opposite world today?

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              its ok, im used to seeing absolutely stupid takes since the weekend so yours isnt exactly a surprise

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                Yeah I’M the stupid one, not the arrogant shit for brains whose sole contribution is to do a less intelligent version of Nelson Muntz at people who actually base their arguments on real world context coupled with reading the actual words rather than imagining completely different ones 🙄

                Found a picture of you btw.

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                  that is by far, the lamest insult I have ever received. You should be proud!

                  if anyone wants to know, its a picture of a camera. Old mate called me a camera.