I used to hate asparagus, but turns out it’s because my mom and grandma would always boil it.
Pro-tip: don’t do that, it’s awful.
Yup, properly cooked veggies are awesome.
But, children’s taste buds are different from adults. Iirc they taste things more strongly, so the bitter notes are more pronounced.
Also, they’ve been breeding stuff like brussel sprouts to be less bitter for a while now, so veggies might actually taste better than when we were kids.
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Brussel sprouts are still terrible
I didn’t even think you could do that to asparagus. That’s seriously demonic.
Whoever invented canned asparagus belongs in extra hell
As well as spinach.
I actually liked canned spinach a lot as a kid, only vegetable I’d eat for a time. Still think it’s okay, but prefer fresh, raw spinach these days
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Same with Brussel sprout. My step-dad would boil them. Tastes like a soggy sulfur fart. But cut them in half, toss them in a bit of oil, salt and pepper, roast them until crispy in the oven with, and they’re delicious. Oddly sweet, even. Try with other seasonings to enhance further.
Actually it’s best to roast, then add the pepper. Roasting burns the pepper.
Lightly drizzle some balsamic vinaigrette on them before the oven
You can also steam them (without the oil), fry them (with oil), or put them on a grill (oil optional)
Boiling is just not a good way to cook veggies, it’s just the lazy way
Yes. The crispy bits get caramelized. It’s amazing.
I love getting the steam bags of sprouts. So easy to steam them and then toss them in some oil and spices. Super easy and very tasty.
Some might say that it makes them less healthy, but a very light drizzle of honey before you cook them, and it becomes one of the best things you’ll ever eat
Blanche and shock are the only way I actually like asparagus.
I can tolerate a baked or sauteed spear, but the margin for error is too damned small, and either side of it makes it unpalatable.
boiled (or steamed) white asparagus is quite good, but green asparagus, yeah you should absolutely roast that instead
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I dunno about asparagus, but it turns out the Brussel sprouts we ate as kids were bitter and didn’t taste as good as the ones they sell now. But yeah, with asparagus, you gotta broil those bad boys with garlic/olive oil, etc
Blanche and shock.
Yeah boiled here too. I liked it sorta but discovered much later that roasted is way better.
Same thing with Brussels sprouts. Don’t boil. Toss in salt, pepper, olive oil, and balsamic vinegar, bake at like 425 for 20 minutes, you’re welcome
The real reason is that unhealthy food contains ingredients that were rarer for our ancestors to obtain. Dense caloric food meant surviving a winter, but our winter never comes.
but our winter never comes
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No! Salt kills you, cooking kills vitamins and when you think you do everything right, then your vegetables don’t have good enough quality and don’t have enough nutritients. Eating healthy means to suffer, deal with it!!! /s
Or just dont overcook/boil your veggies. Everything in moderation.
Some of us grew up with terrible cooks. Properly cooked broccoli was a religious experience for me.
My wife grew up with terrible cooks. So did I, but I learned to cook to make my own food, she resorted to microwaves, frozen pizzas, and 2 (in my opinion extremely bland but will never say because she was super happy to make it for me) dishes she figured out.
Since being with me, she has figured out she likes chicken, salmon and tilapia, medium steak, a few vegetables, and quite a few other things. Her parents UNDERCOOKED chicken and seafood, made steak into charcoal or still bloody with no in between which made her not trust any pink, and they boiled the everloving shit out of every vegetable until peas were mush and broccoli looked like it was rotting.
They also never had real mayonnaise, and she only ever had miracle whip and thought she hated mayo.
And tea was always super weak and filled with sugar, so she never had real tea until she tried mine one day and went “I thought you said this was tea?”
Total speculation: I think the reason so many of our parents suck at cooking is because they didn’t learn before having kids, and when it came time to either spend shitloads on carryout or figure out cooking, they just remembered the basic ingredients from their own childhood, but we’re never around for the spices or cook times. And since internet wasn’t really a “I need a recipe, let me google that on my phone real quick” until much later, it was that or find a cookbook with all your favorite recipes.
That’s depressing, glad you saved her.
I always snort cocaine with moderation.
Kills some of them, but guess what happens when you enjoy it, and therefore eat a lot of them?
Oh my god. You’re saying the vitamins are going extinct???
Breathing KILLS you! 100% of people who breathe die, so stop breathing RIGHT NOW to live a healthy life!
And have you heard about this dihydrogen monoxide stuff? It’s apparently just as bad!
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Im of Scottish, Irish, and South German descent my ancestors didnt conquer shit beyond the whole bursting into flames under direct sunlight problem.
They conquered that?
How?
… you know, out of scientific curiosity.
Mineral zinc
As a Fitzpatrick skin type 1 living in Australia, zinc is my best friend.
I’m pale enough that you can’t even tell I’ve got white paste on my face, and I’m physically blocking the sun.
I have a 50 SPF moisturiser that I use daily before I leave the house, even in winter, and I reapply it several times a day in summer, but I still get sun burnt if I don’t also wear zinc.
Now that I’m older I’ve gotten a lot better at often wearing a wide brim hat and long sleeves in the summer, but it’s not always possible.
Zinc is also reef safe for beach wear, and doesn’t contain avobenzone so it will provide longer protection from UVA rays, and no risk of irritation if applied prior to swimming in a chlorinated pool. (avobenzone and chlorine are not friends)
I’ll be sure to pass this on to all my vampi… I mean, wow, that is a very fascinating thing to read, I’ll surely take what you said into consideration the next time I’m shopping for sunscreen.
Yet another vampire familiar wasting the day on Lemmy.
Well the scottish side have been here in southern California for about 150 years, the Irish for about 110 years, and the German for about 100 years. Also I can be under high UV and only start burning after about 2 hours.
We conquered that weakness, now if only we could get rid of the madness, actually nevermind on that one being able to go into a berserk fury by will alone is fucking useful. Good for cussing out shitty bosses and feeling high as a kite while at it, just gotta keep from trying to kill them.
Nova Scotia was going well until king Charles gave it to the French.
Darien was going well until… the everything… Ok, Darien was never going well at all.
I suppose there’s modern capitalism, public investing, and one of the most iconic holidays ever. Cultural victory?
You forget the legend of Gregor MacGregor and his conquering and settling of Cazique. And his freedom fought for the Republic of Florida.
Unnecessary racist comment but it’s OK since its against the one group that its OK to be racist towards. This wouldn’t fly if it was about black people and a similar gotcha line
“Oh my God!”
Who is God’s God?
Super God, duh
Dog
Lauren Faust
Her holy icon:
She holds doll of her human avatar:
Her human avatar holding doll of her:
just be an actual paedophile and get it over with
WTF is this? What’s wrong with you?
It’s commonly accepted by most people that don’t watch My Little Pony, that the grown ass men that do watch MLP, and always hyper obsess over it, may be subtly indicating that they are into other children’s things.
Ah… Huh. Do they know that fans in order to not be adults now whould need to be 5 years old or younger when show started?
What? My Little Pony was created in like 1981. Anyone who watched the show when it aired is middle aged now.
your idolisation of children’s pony cartoons is a flimsy front for your attraction to children. castrate yourself
Wouldn’t it be more logical to suggest that idolisation of a children’s pony show is more of a front for a furry? Or is it because the show is created for children, if an adult likes it they’re a pedophile?
I always assumed MLP fans were closer to furries. The show is about horses, not kids?
Why are you expecting logic from someone as hateful and moronic as the person you’re responding to?
Furries want to be their fursona and usually also fuck in them (not with them).
While bronies have jars with their favourite pony, which they masturbate over to fill the jar with semen.
Nobody wants you here, and I suspect nobody else has ever wanted you anywhere else either. Please spill back into the sewers with the rest of the waste.
The author.
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The infinite regress of creator’s creators.
I
God.
Because you are designed to seek out salt and sugar as a survival trait; then decided to mass produce it and put it into everything. Now your tastebuds have been ruined, even the standard apple/banana has been genetically modified to have more sugar
Genetically modified? That’s a stretch.
Like many other cultures, bananas and apples were selectively reproduced to obtain fruits with more to eat. Corn, carrots, every single kale and cabbage, potatoes, oranges and even strawberries can go into this basket.
The wild banana has almost nothing to eat, being filled with large seeds and we can still find wild apples, by nature very tart but still edible. Every single cereal we plant and harvest today was originally nothing more than a wild grass.
But to call the work of millenia and who knows how many generations of farmers genetic modifications is a bit over the top.
GMOs are very recent introductions and normally for obtaining pest, drought or disease (more) resistant plants.
We absolutely genetically modified pretty much all of our food. We just did it by selective breeding.
The only difference with modern GMO is we’ve learned to do it directly much faster. We don’t need a random mutation to add a trait anymore.
Can we get a geneticist here?
Last time I was taught about biology, selective breeding was a process through which, over a long period of time, individuals with favorable traits were multiplied in order to increase the prevalence of such traits.
The genes were already introduced, hence, no modification. Already existing characteristics were allowed to further express and refine.
Genetic modification, to my understanding, implies introducing genetic information into the genome of an organism to produce another with traits previously completely absent in the species.
Selection vs manipulation.
I’ll concede there are a few cases where the lines blurr, like the golden rice, where a gene that codified the production of vitamin A in the grain was/is already inactive or so receassive, in order to have it express again would require gene manipulation but I think a selective production program was put forward in an attempt to bring out that gene again.
Selective breeding is just one of the methods used to genetically modify our food.
I think you two have different images in your minds. You say “genetically modify” as in “modify the food through choosing which genes are to prevail”, while the other means “modify genes directly to affect the food”, and in that sense selective breeding isn’t GMO because no genes have been modified, but rather encouraged. You modify the genetic structure of future generations through natural means, not the organism directly.
Don’t know what scientists say, I just see the other comment downvoted when they have a fair point.
I can’t agree with that.
The basic notion of genetically modifying an organism implies changes enacted at the genetic level, through artificial means, not biological.
I’m getting an error with the document.
Selective breeding and grafting modified the genetics
Bananas all being clones
There’s no reason to separate the terms
A skyscraper and a toolshed are both buildings technically speaking. So in that sense you are correct, only technically correct.
I would have said a skyscraper made of metal and a skyscraper made of cement are both skyscrapers for your analogy but sure
Let’s analyse that.
Selective breeding increases the frequency of a given set of genes, already present in a species, in order to better manifest specific, more advantageous - either nature or human chosen - traits.
Random mutations can occur when biological reproduction happens but unless extreme and radical - which often prove fatal for the offspring - are not relevant for the species in the immediate.
These principles are applicable to both plants and animals.
Now grafting takes a part of one plant - usually a small branch - uses another plant to provide the root system - usually something that grows much faster than the graft - and this process multiplies asexually the plant from which the branch was oroginally cut. No genes are carried over between the two plants.
This is valid to get a bunch of trees out of a single one in a very short time but it will not introduce new genes into the crop.
Quince trees are often used as root stock to graft other trees, like pear and apple. If the seeds from those grafted trees were to be sprouted, planted and nurtured to maturity, apples or pears would grow but of completely new varieties. The quince trees used to provide the root for grafting would provide zero genes to the new varieties.
Can you expand on why you consider grafting as a tool for genetic manipulation?
it will not introduce new genes into the crop.
Under normal circumstances new genes would be, but the new plant isn’t considered a new species (like tigons not being a species)
normal circumstances
As in a quince tree cross polinate a pear tree or an apple tree?
GMOs are very recent introductions and normally for obtaining pest, drought or disease (more)
Those bastards!!!
resistant plants.
Oh…ok…
How dare people and companies make plants that help people eat. Most disgusting thing ever.
The wild banana has almost nothing to eat, being filled with large seeds and we can still find wild apples, by nature very tart but still edible. Every single cereal we plant and harvest today was originally nothing more than a wild grass.
I cannot help thinking about the first proto-human that started munching on the tips of wild grass.
- “Hey Unk, check out Krug over there, chewin on the grass. That shit’s messed up.”
- “I dunno Greg. Looks pretty tasty to me.”
Our ancestors were primarily leaf eaters, so moving to grass wouldn’t be that unusual. But let’s picture the first proto-human that decided to go for the carcass of another animal, either killed by a predator or by fire or lightning. That would have been an event.
I’m pretty sure most primates are omnivores so they’d have been hunting as well just more in an opportunistic way
If we are to go back far enough, we are bound to find an ancestor mostly herbivore. On that level, going for the scenario I mentioned would have been some event.
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iirc the modern banana is actually a less flavorful variety than centuries past, but not for selective breeding reasons. The more popular variety, the Gros Michel, was susceptible to a certain fungus that wiped it out by the 60s. Those apparently tasted closer to the artificial banana flavoring that is still used today and in fact are what that flavoring was based on (albeit probably quite a bit more sugary and concentrated since it’s still a candy flavoring).
And then you have other produce like apples and tomatoes being bred for size and yield, since that will both net more profit and feed more people. This often necessarily means that the produce will lose flavor in the process, as well as nutritional value by weight since the size/yield increase is mostly just the crop taking up more water. (I think the genetic modification you mentioned is in some part meant to correct that inverse relationship between yield and nutritional density, but I’d have to read up more on the subject.)
So I think you can just as much argue that it’s not our tastebuds being ruined so much as produce itself being considerably less appealing to them.
You can buy Gros Michel bananas still you just have to put in some effort. If you are in the USA and have the cash the Miami Fruit Co ships them when they grow them. I haven’t checked but I believe they are in banana season.
Whoa, looks like a really cool company in general! Thanks for the tip!
The gros Michel is also not a natural banana. Those were also all clones of each other. Natural bananas have big ass seeds throughout them.
“Oh my God!” - God
I think God is, by definition, an atheist, though, since God must not believe in a higher power.
I feel like God would have the capacity to realize he is the higher power. Nothing says there has to be a higher power at each level.
Nothing says there has to be a higher power at each level.
Sounds like you’re just about ready to join /c/atheism
Well in that case I’m not atheist. I belong to species of higher power on this planet.
im an atheist and i believe in a higher power.
that sun will fuck me up if i get too close
Depends on if he’s having a bad day, or if he believes in himself. Wait, is that why faith is how you get into heaven? God having shitty self-confidence and not wanting any haters around makes as much sense as any other I’ve heard.
who’s the creator of god and the realm he resides in? hm? hm? hm?
checkmate, theists!
Checkmate? Ha!
Those fools aren’t but throwing rocks at a wall, hoping one sticks!
I’m lazy so here’s lazy delicious veggie tip:
Get a rice cooker. Get rice and FROZEN pre-processed (chopped) veggies. These are still very inexpensive, require no preparation, last forever in the freezer, and are actually FRESHER than “fresh” veggies, since they are picked when ripe and then flash frozen rather than picked prematurely and sprayed with a ripening agent. Your rice cooker should come with a veggie tray so you can cook the rice and veggies simultaneously. Drop them in there and fire it up. Get yourself some “simmering sauce” and heat it up in a pan for ~15 minutes and baby you got a stew goin’.
Can you elaborate on this so called simmerin’ sauce please
It’s just like a pre-mixed (typically middle-Eastern) sauce with coconut milk and spices and thing like that pre-prepared. It shouldn’t have any preservatives or anything you can’t pronounce.
There’s many options for sauces, depending on your preferences and dietary requirements, but there are a few key common steps.
For example many Indian curry type sauces can begin with frying diced onions, some ginger, garlic, chillis, coriander seed powder, cumin powder, turmeric powder, black pepper, and tomato paste, then coconut milk to form the main body of the sauce. Don’t worry if you don’t have access to all of these, mix and match. Then finish with fresh coriander leaves.
Or a simple marinara type sauce begins with frying diced onions, garlic, tomato paste, followed by a glass of wine and a can of tomato to make the main body of the sauce. Add basil at the very end, as the flavor is delicate and destroyed by heat.
Notice in both cases we begin with aromatics - onions, garlic, spices - that get heated up to release the volatile flavor compounds. Then deglazing the pan and simmering with something that constitutes the main bulk of the sauce - e.g. canned tomato or coconut. Then finishing with more delicate herbal flavors that get desroyed by extended cooking. This is a general pattern that appears in foods from all over the world. The crucial part is learning how long each ingredient requires to cook for, and therefore what stage it gets added.
Once you get used to this you can begin to enjoy the creativity and rewarding nature of cooking, and explore the world through food. Like the Indian example above can be quite easily modified into a Thai green curry with a few substitutions such as extra green chillis, galangal instead of ginger, and finishing with Thai basil.
I’d say another crucial aspect is appreciating the importance of emulsions - a colloidal suspension of small fat particles in water - which results in a rich and unctuous mouthfeel. Many of our favorite foods and sauces are emulsions (butter, mayonnaise, pesto, curry). But I don’t want to overload you with information as I’ve already written a lot. Good luck.
Also a starch slurry or roux are easy ways to thicken sauces, controlling the consistency of a sauce can be important depending on what you are tossing in it or putting it over.
Any packet sauce mix like curry or gravy’ll work too
I’ve also heard you can cook a chicken breast on top of the bed of rice
Veggy tray? Do you mean the steam “table”?
Sure, let’s go with that.
WTF are you me?!
and are actually FRESHER than “fresh” veggies
As an adult who thought that they hated pretty much all veggies (especially broccoli and corn) and found out that I absolutely love them when prepared fresh and that the bagged versions tasted like ass, I’m gonna call bullshit on that.
It might work for you, but nothing beats freshly-prepared corn, whether grilled in the husks or cut and sauteed.
You can call bullshit on whatever you want but it’s a scientific fact.
The foodtuber Adam Ragusea happens to have two videos addressing these specific topics:
The superiority of flash frozen foods: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_PMnCpaJiQ
Food starts rotting the instant it’s harvested, and continues doing so while it’s packaged, transported, and stored on the shelf. Modern flash freezing techniques preserve foods perfectly, halting the microorganisms that cause decomposition, and avoiding the damage caused by large ice crystal formation that’s inevitable with slow domestic freezers.
The selective breeding and genetic engineering of sweetcorn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIVG54wNPd0
Interestingly with the sweetcorn, it used to be that it had to be eaten immediately after harvest, so much so that you’d have the water boiling before even picking them. However with modern developments they can remain fresh much longer.
God saying “oh my god”
Guess he needs an imaginary friend for comfort aswell
The bible actually says there are other gods beside the main one; he’s the king of kings, god of gods. But maybe there’s an emperor of emperors, God of gods of gods? It’s gods all the way up.
Never forget, wars were fought for spice. people died to not have to consume bland food.
and yet you pass the spice aisle every grocery visit, shame.
;)
The spice must flow
Because who buys spices at the regular grocery store, it’s like $4 for a 50g bag. You gotta go to the Asain grocer or Indian market for those delicious half kilo bags for $6.
Then put them in an old pasta sauce jar and shove them in your pantry and let them get old and off gas their aroma until they’re just bland sawdust…but act like you’re still better than other white people because you own spices.
The obscure and unassuming the specialty store is, the more incomprehensibly low their prices are
I still don’t understand why the cooking skill of my parents sucked this bad. I started cooking on my own when I moved out and even after just a bit of practise and good recipes you can cook tasty meals. How do you go on 50 years failing this, I don’t understand. If I see another bowl of dry rice, canned peas and ready marinated chicken from some discounter I’m going to throw up.
Boomers came up as fast food franchises and convenience foods began to dominate. The equal rights movement meant more women in the workplace and less in the kitchen and instead of spreading the burden, capitalism filled in the gaps.
Another explanation is that American cuisine got wrecked by the Great Depression. Everything that had flavor was expensive. People’s inability to purchase and make certain foods stopped generational transfer of knowledge on how to make certain things. Thankfully, after several generations it’s finally recovering.
“Ethnic” food (non European) wasn’t as affected as much.
I heard an interview about a book on it a few years ago but now I can’t find it.
Because they did cook well at one point. It took hours, it involved a lot of cleanup, and 4 year old you whined and complained for some chicken nuggets and the fucking candy bar your aunt gave you without talking to your parents first.
So they gave up. The tantrums, the rejection, the effort. None of it was worth it. Like pretty much every skill in life it atrophied.
I loved to cook and I’m good at it. My 5-year-old won’t eat a burger I made and asks instead to go to the “burger store”. I don’t want to cook much anymore.
Know the feeling. Feel so defeated. Fighting this losing battle against all the crap junk food people want to give my kids on top of the normal tendency of children to only enjoy bland food.
Too many people order shitty delivery so that they can save 15 minutes cooking while spending 3 times more
And damage the organs with the much higher salt and sugar content.
Well to damage the organs you need to eat VERY badly for decades but yes in general i agree
Much can go wrong before 50.
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Practise is a verb, practice is a noun.
I like to remember it with the following sentence.
“The doctor had to practise his surgery skills before he could open his own private practice clinic”
Verb, S=surgery. Noun, C=clinic
It’s funny that you offer correction. UK English makes this distinction, US English doesn’t and uses practice for both. Internationally where many English speakers mix neither usage can really be said to be incorrect. Pedantry fail.
Eh, I’m not that invested as to feel I’ve failed. To fail you need to try. I just like fighting fire with fire when I see people correcting other’s spelling online.
At the end of the day, as long as you’re communicating your message effectively whatever you’ve written has done it’s job. I’m dyslexic, people offering unnecessary spelling advice irks me, so if they make a “mistake” (at least, as far as prescriptive English goes) I’m going to annoy them the same way their comments annoys everyone else. If they’re not annoyed by it, well who cares, nothing gained nothing lost.
Practise is correct UK spelling.
What does the UK know about English?
So the question is…
Who was he referring to when he said “oh my god”?
I would have written that as “oh my me”
His son.
Semantics aside, Jesus is supposed to be the physical embodiment of god, so wouldn’t it still pretty much just be the same guy?
If the father, son and holy ghost had an orgy would it be a threesome or just masturbating?
Asking the real questions.
This is a very debated question which mostly depends on which Christian confession you belong to.
That’s a whole mess of differing theologies, some of which (many of which) have been declared heretical.
The general term for this branch of theology is Christology and lots of stuff has been written about it.
Don’t try try to bring logic to the illogical.
It’s both the same and different. The contradiction is a “feature” of the Christian faith.
I just spent Thanksgiving with my family, and was reminded how much my parents love boiling things. Fucking disgusting, no spices either? Fuck bland potatoes. It takes almost no effort to just toss a bunch of fucking spices on them and then put them in the oven.
My dad does this, just boils vegetables and potatoes so long that they’re reduced to their component quarks and then serves them in a bowl with nothing on them. For bonus points, he makes sure they’ve cooled off to room temperature before we eat. I want to blame the Great Depression for this style of “cuisine”, but he was born after that shit.
No excuse for bland potatoes. Even boiled, they can taste good. Low effort, throw some dill on those bastards. It’s that easy. My mom is diabetic, and down a kidney, so salt and sugar are not really things in the food she makes, but it always tastes good.
Isnt thanksgiving a month from now? Are you like from the future? Why did you suddenly come back? Is the whole world doomed and you came back to warn us of something terrible?!?!?
Canada also has a holiday called “Thanksgiving”, and it was last week
I dunno, time travel seems more reasonable.
Omg yikes you’re Canadian?
There’s dozens of us.
And we all know each other!
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Are you of norwegian ancestry?
For lazy people like me: air fryer works great for asparagus and broccoli, taste good even with only salt.
As a lazy person who grew up with a parent who’s method of cooking vegetables was just “boil it till its grey!”, if a vegetable can be eaten raw, I will be eating it raw.
Raw broccoli dipped in garlic greek yoghurt is delicious, nutritious and fast/lazy to prepare.
I’m on the hunt for a vegan alternative that is decent, but until then, crunchy carrots and sugar snap peas are my go-to lazy veggies.
Raw broccoli and a good hummus is a great alternative. It’s a salad combination i use quite frequently.
Raw broccoli…Oh man I do not want to smell your farts. I mean you don’t even have to boil them but give them just a hot dip to reduce the raffinose
Maybe it’s because I’m on prescription probiotics and digestive enzymes, but I haven’t noticed a drastic change in my farts from the broccoli. They used to absolutely reek before I went low-dairy and started being a little more mindful of FODMAPS.
Now pea protein powder? that amplifies my flatulence to war crime levels.
Or just steamed a bit. I hate mushy broccoli with a passion.
Anybody trying to tell me that sauteed veggies taste as good as a hamburger has lost from the beginning.
Honestly fresh veggies sautéed right are better than any hamburger, and I love to eat meats
Top tier, fresh, sautéed, and properly spiced asparagus as pictured in the comic over a conventional burger? Count me in.
Or a good artichoke. Yum.
I feel too many people grew up eating overcooking mushy veggies that weren’t properly seasoned.
Canned veggies ducked everything up for kids
Insanity.
I’d take those over some greasy burgers any time of the day
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Maybe you just need to find the right veggies or the right seasoning. I wouldn’t say I love veggies more or less than a burger, but they add much needed variety.
I’m also a meat eater but have to disagree with you there. I prefer variety because eating the same salty slop gets boring. Maybe you have abused your tastebuds . If you take a break from certain foods it recalibrates the taste buds.
