If he’s dragged off to jail, can it be videoed? Even if it’s just overnight, I’d be willing to pay for that video.
On a completely unrelated note, can you break a computer by replaying a video too many times?
America could pay off its national debt by charging $10 a go to watch the video. We’ll be chipping in from all over the world.
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I’d like it to be affordable. I don’t mind PPV but come on.
You’re going to need to pace yourself.
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An expert in pacing
Maybe we can get some photos of Trump on his underwear in jail like Saddam
I’m gagging just thinking about it, no thanks.
The physique of an orange, beardless, cheerless Santa Clause way past his prime? Blergh.
Some day your kid will pay a nickel to pee on a certain grave in a small Queens cemetery
Lock him up
About damned time someone says it.
People have been saying it for years. It’s just that once he’s held accountable, it opens the doors for other members to be held accountable for their actions.
Can’t have that ‘round here. That ain’t American.
“People” have been saying it, but never anybody in a position to actually make it happen.
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I think you mean grab him by the bussy
Grab him by the Trussy
My theroy on why judges are reticent to place him in jail for these violations simply comes down to not having a protocol for how the secret service would interact with prison staff.
Which isn’t just or fair, it is however comprehensible. I’m sure this was brought up in a meeting and then laughed off for being far fetched.
But… lol…
Do it anyways. Get a special spot in history for instruction on how to detain former presidents.
MCC Manhattan is closed for upgrades, but MDC Brooklyn is equipped to handle high profile inmates. They can absolutely sort this is out. It’s not that difficult of a problem.
Though it is a bit sad there’s no chance they could jail him in the same cell his buddy Epstein spent his last nights. I’m sure that would give him lots of constructive things to think about.I’d say just stick him in a solitary housing prison like pelican bay in California
It’s too bad: There used to be a great submarine that he could’ve been held in.
But the article is about the federal case in DC, so if he were jailed, presumably it would be there, not NYC.
Nah. It’s not a process thing. They don’t have the balls unless people are relatively poor and defenseless.
This is influenced heavily by the expected pushback and political reasons, not some procedural thing that could be worked out pretty quickly.
The reason judges aren’t putting Trump immediately in jail for violating a gag order is that they don’t usually put other people immediately in jail for violating gag orders. They usually fine other people several thousand dollars for the first violation, with an even bigger fine for the second violation.
I know we all want to see Trump in jail, but it doesn’t take a special theory to understand why he isn’t there yet.
And if there are enough violations to finally provoke a judge into jailing Trump, that judge will give zero fracks about a “protocol for secret service interaction”, because judges don’t run jails. That will be the jail administrator’s problem.
I agree with your points, but Trump’s violations endanger people’s lives in a way no one else has. He bad mouths them and he has 100,000 crazies ready to harm those people and their families, and millions of others who would support the action. It can’t and shouldn’t simply be treated like everyone else. That flies in the face of equal treatment under the law, but only because there’s no one else in the U.S. who has been in a similar situation.
You may be right. But if the judge said he “shouldn’t simply be treated like everyone else” then that would basically guarantee that his rulings would be overturned on appeal. Our SCOTUS is waiting for the judge to slip up like that.
In our legal system, the only way to hold Trump accountable is to treat him like everyone else. That’s why everyone is playing it by the books.
@ZoopZeZoop is right, but also a little bit wrong. Trump’s violations endanger people’s lives in a way few others have, but there is precedent.
Specifically, they need to be treating Trump like the mafia boss that he is.
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That would be amusing, but it’s not how US judges usually impose fines so they aren’t going to start doing it now.
One argument against using net worth is that someone could claim a very low net worth and escape a heavy fine. After all, calculating net worth is not straightforward (note that the previously claimed net worth is not necessarily the current net worth). Of course, the judge could open an investigation into the actual net worth in order to determine the fine. But that would take time and now the original trial would be delayed - which is what Trump wants. Not only that, but (unlike a standardized fine) a determination of net worth would open multiple avenues to appeal, meaning further delay. So in most cases the process would likely be more trouble than it’s worth.
Chances are that if he’s jailed he would be segregated from all other inmates. Segregating him would also make it far easier to allow the Secret service limited access for their needs.
Why would the Secret Service need to do anything if he’s in a supermax with 23h isolation (for his own safety, of course)?
Yeah it seems like a pretty easy gig: make sure no one hurts this guy who’s in an 8 by 8 cell by himself.
Isn’t that how Epstein died?
Would you complain?
People also seem to forget that the secret service protection is granted by Congress as a privilege. It’s not a right.
Congress can (theoretically…) amend any laws governing protection to not extend to those imprisoned.
I’d also wager that the secret service can assess what protection looks like. If they feel they can meet their obligations leveraging existing prison protocols, seems to be solvable (select only specific guards, certain cell blocks, etc).
I don’t think this is the logistical nightmare people make it out to be.
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See, that’s the thing. He tried to overthrow the government and sell state secrets, not rob a liquor store. It should be the same kind of PRISON CELL as murderers and terrorists, not a jail cell for petty criminals.
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- Trump doesn’t nearly have as much money as he says he has.
- The fact that he has to pay anything burns his ass. Look at it this way. There’s the Mar-A-Lago documents case. This case might put him in jail. What case does he show up for? The fraud case because that one will hit him in the pocket book.
He literally values his money over his freedom. You’re right those monetary fines are almost nothing compared to the money he has, but the fact he has to pay literally anything at all has the emotional impact of a scrotum punch to the Ol’ Orange Caligula.
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He doesn’t have the money he led everyone to believe he has. At this point, I don’t think anyone knows if he’s even considered wealthy or not.
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Let trump spend a few nights in county. He’ll be begging for a plea deal.
The gag order in Washington, D.C., is not to be confused with the one that Trump violated Wednesday at his civil financial fraud trial in New York City. He was slapped with a $10,000 fine after appearing to call a law clerk “partisan.”
This getting better and better.
Why was the gag order lifted though? Would’ve been nice if it was in the article…
Thanks. Tldr: lifted until the appeal is decided, or that was the plan until Smith filled the new motion.
Someine else said it already. While I want to see Trump in jail yesterday, I appreciate how thourugh they are. Don’t give him excuse to weasle out of it again. But with this many lawsuits and the amount of confessions we already have, this is looking really good by now.
This is why I’m tentatively optimistic about the small fines Trump has gotten for violating the gag order in the NY civil case. Give him small fines first. Work them up with more warnings each time. Then, when he inevitably runs his mouth for the Nth time and gets sent to jail, the judge will have laid an unappealable foundation.
Do it you cowards.
Just do it already.
Quoting from the filing:
C. The Court Should Immediately Lift the Administrative Stay and Modify the Defendant’s Conditions of Release.
The defendant’s continued targeting of witnesses and repeated violations of a similar order in New York during the brief interval while the Order has been administratively stayed, see supra at 9 (describing Oct. 20, 2023 post), not only illustrate the risks of suspending the Court’s appropriate order; they demonstrate why the Court should lift the administrative stay and modify the defendant’s conditions of release to protect witnesses from his attacks.Even if Judge Chutkan agrees with this filing, and modifies the conditions of Trump’s release, that is still not a consequence. It’s a clarification of the consequence he should already have received, and has not. There is no modification of the conditions of release necessary; witness intimidation is a crime.
Fascism continues to win.
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Does anyone know how they safely jail an ex president? Since he carries with him confidential information that we all know he will tell anybody who will listen what do they do? I’m all for seeing him in solidarity confinement but it does seem unlikely they would actually lock him away.
Encasing him in concrete would work ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
The Sims?
Robert Hanssen was jailed at ADX Florence for twenty years.
The 2nd most damaging foreign agent in American history, after trump.
I’m sure it’s going to be something like house arrest. I doubt they will be allowed to go further than that. Mostly because they’re going to have a bunch of law suits launched trying to find some judge that will grant a stay somewhere even if it’s not proper for them to do so. In the end it will fail but it will just motivate his base even more.
Prison I’m guessing would be a minimum security facility. Most likely with marshals protection.
But I’m not even close to an expert so I could be completely wrong!
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I’m sure they don’t want to risk any way for trump to sue for any legal technicalities which could arise when jailing him. He would absolutely go off about being silenced and stuff like that, it’s probably not worth it.
Well, my theory is that the govt agencies are delaying locking him up until all his knowledge of national secrets is effectively obsolete, i.e. what he knows cant jeopardize anyone or any national interests. Sucks, but there you are. Me I can’t wait until we purge him from the national conscience.
Surely he has whole tomes of secrets memorised, I mean he could remember “person, woman, man, camera, TV”.
Charlie Manson’s Court sessions are like this too he just goes off on a crazy tangent and they really shouldn’t have put them in prison they should have put them in a psych ward he was definitely crazy thanks for coming to my SVEN talk please suck my dick
