Ex-officer Derek Chauvin, convicted in George Floyd's killing, stabbed in prison, AP source says
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Former Minneapolis police Officer Derek Chauvin has been stabbed by another inmate at a federal prison in Arizona where he's serving time for the murder of George Floyd.
  • themeatbridge@lemmy.world
    472·
    2 年前

    I don’t feel bad for the guy, but I don’t celebrate this sort of vigilante justice, either. Prisoners should be safe from other prisoners. Prison is not meant to be torture, and recidivism is a massive problem in the United States. Chauvin will have 20 years to contemplate his crimes, and treating him and every other prisoner will only reinforce their criminal proclivities.

    • PunnyName@lemmy.world
      252·
      2 年前

      American prisons ARE meant for torture. Don’t get it twisted.

      If they were for rehabilitation or treatment, then we would see to that, societally. But we don’t.

      This is a small piece of why our justice system is so absolutely fucked.

      • affiliate@lemmy.world
        48·
        2 年前

        i think you’re responding to a normative statement by making a descriptive statement.

        for those unaware, here’s a quick explanation from wikipedia: a normative statement is “meant to talk about the world as it should be”, while a descriptive statement is “meant to describe the world as it is”.

          • affiliate@lemmy.world
            5·
            2 年前

            i wasn’t trying to talk about grammar at all, i was only trying to focus only on the meaning of what was said. but i probably could’ve made my point more clearly, so ill try to do that now.

            here’s an “example”: one person says “things should be done this way” and the other person says “well things aren’t being done that way”. these two statements aren’t in opposition to each other. in fact, it’s perfectly possible both people agree with each other. maybe things aren’t being done a certain way, and they should be done differently.

            the terms “normative” and “descriptive” might seem overly complicated to someone who hasn’t seen them before (they did the first time i saw them), but i thought i’d use them because they’re useful concepts to keep in mind. they’ve helped me communicate and resolve conflicts in my own life. i’ve been both people in the example above, and it’s helpful to be able to know when it’s happening.

          • starman2112@sh.itjust.works
            3·
            2 年前

            The most based discourse nazi, singlehandedly preventing what could become a 30 comment deep argument where both sides fully misunderstand the other

          • starman2112@sh.itjust.works
            4·
            2 年前

            Edit I’m fuckin stupid, leaving this comment up as a monument to my illiteracy

            Making a comment like this about basic conversation and debate concepts is like driving and saying you can’t read the speed limit signs. Like, maybe you should avoid actively participating altogether until you’re actually able to

            • GBU_28@lemm.eeEnglish
              3·
              2 年前

              Huh? My point was many Lemmy users very commonly reply to someone’s descriptive comment with a normative complaint, and freak out when it’s clarified.

    • Veedem@lemmy.worldEnglish
      41·
      2 年前

      Very glad this is currently the top comment. I was worried I’d run into a comment thread cheering for violence that simply shouldn’t have happened.

      • Orbituary@lemmy.world
        14·
        2 年前

        The idea of “not killing” and “I wish he was dead” can’t seem live in most people’s head. I think he’s human waste, he should be dead, and I wouldn’t have lamented his death. BUT!!! I don’t want him to die and I don’t want someone to kill him.

    • seathru@lemm.ee
      18·
      2 年前

      but I don’t celebrate this sort of vigilante justice, either

      We don’t know what happened. He might have ran his mouth and found out he wasn’t a protected class anymore.

        • be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social
          6·
          2 年前

          It does a little bit, I think.

          Yes, our prisons should be safe for those who are confined within them. I agree with that, and that less people should be confined in the first place.

          But there is a qualitative difference between “he was stabbed due to being a cop (or due to being THAT cop)” vs “He got into an altercation that resulted in him being stabbed, but which could have happened to anyone.”

          I think the kneejerk assumption is that he was targeted, which is worse IMO.

          Not that I shed a single tear for the fate of Derek Chauvin, mind you.

    • catastrophicblues@lemmy.ca
      7·
      2 年前

      I agree with your broad sentiment that prisoners should feel safe in prison. However, this specific instance, I call (delayed) karma.

        • Fades@lemmy.world
          7·
          2 年前

          Doesn’t that prove his fuckin point? Even in something as locked down and controlled as fucking prison can’t stop humans if they truly want to harm others

          • themeatbridge@lemmy.world
            13·
            2 年前

            You think prisons are locked down and controlled? Prisons are for-profit labor generators where slaves are treated like, well, slaves. Society accepts this because we act like they deserve subhuman treatment. We should not accept this.

          • originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com
            6·
            2 年前

            to be fair, the united states doesnt care about the humans it pretends to ‘rehabilitate’. we dont care about recidivism, because our system is for punishment not for rehab.

            other countries do a better job at fixing their humans than we do. can we start there?

          • Decoy321@lemmy.world
            5·
            2 年前

            I was just making the joke initially, a contrasting oversimplification.

            But just because they don’t stop all violence, it doesn’t mean they don’t stop any violence. Prisons literally do keep murderers locked up instead of out harming others in the public. Are they flawless systems? Fuck no. There’s all kinds of shit wrong with the systems. But they definitely beat the alternative of having no prisons.

        • kofe@lemmy.ml
          5·
          2 年前

          In theory, yes, but that should be the point of education and social programs tbh. Even then, restorative justice models don’t rely as heavily on jail/prison. Temporary and maybe permanent removal from a specific environment doesn’t have to require fully sequestering perpetrators from society. Caught early enough, extreme examples of violent individuals can be rehabilitated through house arrest and other programs like anger management, therapy, etc. Saves taxpayer money, reduces recidivism, and victims report much higher satisfaction as they can actually face their perpetrator and be more involved in the process seeking accountability.

          In practice, prisons prop up class and racial segregation, perpetuating capitalist agendas.

          • remotelove@lemmy.ca
            10·
            2 年前

            Human creativity gets maxed out when you literally have nothing to do but sit in a cell all day for years. Just because someone is a criminal doesn’t mean they are completely stupid.

            I have often wondered how many actual geniuses have been chewed up by the worlds prison systems. If only some of those people had gotten a fair chance in their life to have their skills developed in a healthy environment… It’s depressing to think about, actually.

  • NutWrench@lemmy.world
    155·
    2 年前

    Maybe Chauvin stabbed himself in a state of “excited delirium.”

    The important thing is, the inmate investigated himself and decided that he did nothing wrong.

  • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.worldEnglish
    151·
    2 年前

    I’m sorely tempted to start circulating claims about what Chauvin had in his system at the time.

    EDIT - Also, this shit:

    Chauvin’s stabbing comes as the federal Bureau of Prisons has faced increased scrutiny in recent years following wealthy financier Jeffrey Epstein’s jail suicide in 2019. It’s another example of the agency’s inability to keep even its highest profile prisoners safe after Nassar’s stabbing and “Unabomber” Ted Kaczynski’s suicide at a federal medical center in June.

    Oh it’s a problem all of a sudden. Can’t imagine why.

  • bricklove@midwest.socialEnglish
    123·
    2 年前

    I feel this whole case is everything wrong with the justice system (aside from him actually facing consequences). A corrupt cop with a history of violence gets attacked in an overpopulated and understaffed prison where folks are punished instead of rehabilitated.

    • BetaBlake@lemmy.world
      60·
      2 年前

      Right, none of these things should have happened at all. It’s just a negative feedback loop of incompetence and corruption.

      • Wrench@lemmy.world
        27·
        2 年前

        This person spent a career throwing people into this exact system. Eagerly, if my perception of his past behavior after watching his entire trial is at all representative.

        • assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world
          7·
          2 年前

          Yeah I think people are forgetting this was a cop who actively perpetuated this system. And not even in a “just following orders” sense, he seemed to delight in it.

    • randoot@lemmy.world
      6·
      2 年前

      Prisons sure cost a lot of money to tax payers. Are you sure they’re understaffed or is the staff just apathetic

      • SCB@lemmy.world
        4·
        2 年前

        Yes to both. Keep in mind “understaffed” means lots of things to lots of people.

        That prisons aren’t basically forced schools and therapy is an atrocity, to me, as an example. It changes the entire concept of what prison is about in ways I find unacceptable

      • NightAuthor@lemmy.worldEnglish
        6·
        2 年前

        If someone can be rehabilitated, I believe that implies that they can be unhabilitated. It kinda implies that people aren’t inherently bad / don’t do bad things without something causing them to. If your dog shits inside because you forgot to take it out, do you punish it? If so, congratulations on being consistent, -ly an asshole.

  • fosforus@sopuli.xyz
    71·
    2 年前

    Of course this would happen, but yeah, he shouldn’t have been stabbed in prison. I hope that’s obvious to everyone.

    • Squirrel@thelemmy.clubEnglish
      8·
      2 年前

      Should it have happened? No. Two wrongs don’t make a right, and all that. Prison shouldn’t be dangerous for inmates, no matter what they’ve done.

      Am I upset to hear that the personification of “ACAB” got stabbed in prison? Also no.

    • PowerGloveSoBad@lemmy.world
      8·
      2 年前

      Yeah it’s one of those weird situational things. He definitely deserves to be in prison, and hard to argue against the stabbability, but when you do one at the same time as the other it seems wrong somehow

      • fosforus@sopuli.xyz
        4·
        2 年前

        Sentence is supposed to be the thing that judge throws at you, and that should be it. The story doesn’t tell whether he was stabbed just for being who he is or whether he pissed somebody off. But it’s easy to imagine it’s the former in this case.

  • magnetosphere@kbin.social
    54·
    2 年前

    I’m just glad he survived. Death is an escape he doesn’t deserve yet. He’s got many more years of “fun” to look forward to.

  • starman2112@sh.itjust.works
    45·
    2 年前

    It’s kinda freeing to be done with the disney channel ass idea that you should never celebrate others’ misfortune. It lets headlines like this be heartwarming instead of disappointing

    • SCB@lemmy.world
      55·
      2 年前

      That people are being stabbed in prison is an indictment on the barbarity of our prison system, so this should still piss you off.

      • prole@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        17·
        2 年前

        I mean they basically just told you that they’re a sociopath, so I don’t think they care.

      • Zink@programming.dev
        16·
        2 年前

        I think for many people it’s probably the “just desserts” factor of our barbaric system hurting somebody who was a very barbaric cog in that very system.

        • SCB@lemmy.world
          12·
          2 年前

          While I certainly understand the concept of schadenfreude, I don’t think it should be built into our systems, and that doing so is an unjust, unethical failure on our ability to govern ourselves.

          We know this system does more harm than good but enable it because yeah, it does feel great when bad things happen to shitty people.

      • GladiusB@lemmy.world
        8·
        2 年前

        Not when it’s some asshat that killed a man for a bounced check. He pleaded for his life and called out for his mother. Fuck Derek. That dude can be stabbed 1 million times to teach other officers they aren’t above the laws they choose to preserve. He put his own law on full display. He reaped what he sewed.

      • yetAnotherUser@feddit.de
        3·
        2 年前

        The barbarity of the US prison system is a feature, not a bug. Americans really seem to love exorbitant punishments, awfully similar to medieval Europe. Perhaps in a few centuries your culture will reach modern human rights standards.

      • Mafflez@reddthat.com
        1·
        2 年前

        Yea but do you realize how half those people got sent to prison in the first place? Besides petty non violent crimes those in that group I don’t count unless they get violent in prison as a result of prison itself. I mean I agree should havengot stabbed but there’s a reason most are in prison.

    • xantoxis@lemmy.world
      21·
      2 年前
      1. The prison system needs to be reformed / abolished. Chauvin wouldn’t have been in a position of power to kill Floyd if we didn’t revere carceral punishment in this country.
      2. There’s nothing wrong with the people who are happy about this. They’ve been taught that this is justice. They want justice and frankly they still haven’t seen it; Chauvin’s punishment is like taking a single drop out of an ocean of police atrocities. We should destroy the prison system, but let’s not destroy each other in the process.
        • psivchaz@reddthat.com
          7·
          2 年前

          Interestingly, I’m the opposite. I have a hard time celebrating death, but since Chauvin lived I’m not much upset about it. Yeah, it’s because our prison system sucks and it shouldn’t have happened, but he spent his life in service of that shitty system so it’s got a nice ironic vibe to it.

        • HaggierRapscallier@feddit.nl
          3·
          2 年前

          Weird considering Laden was just a good peice of propaganda for AQ and more a figurehead than a real leader. Iirc, he was a rich guy they used as a way to lure normal people into joining - ‘this wealthy aristocrat gives up luxury to resist, you can too’.

    • DAMunzy@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      14·
      2 年前

      Agreed but I’m not going to be sad for him. I’m sad for the unjustly jailed ppl that have to go through that.

    • Captain Aggravated@sh.itjust.worksBanned from community
      13·
      2 年前

      When I was a teenager, I sat down and wrote out a list of rules for myself. One of which was “Act as would choose to when lying in bed later that night.” Meaning, don’t do something you’ll regret a few hours from now.

      I didn’t feel the need to write that as “Don’t do anything that’ll get you shivved by a fellow inmate.”

      And apparently neither did Chauvin.

      • assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world
        5·
        2 年前

        It’s one of those fundamental rules in life. Don’t piss off the person making your food. Don’t piss off the person doing work in your house with power tools. Don’t piss off the doctor right before a surgery.

    • Sybil@lemmy.worldBanned from community
      5·
      2 年前

      keeping people in cages is wrong. I think the stabby-stab is justice, here, and we can stop paying for his room and board and 24hour babysitting staff.