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Next, he’s going to say that he did repeat the oath, but he had his fingers crossed so it doesn’t count.
The Narcissist’s Prayer:
That didn’t happen.
And if it did, it wasn’t that bad.
And if it was, that’s not a big deal.
And if it is, that’s not my fault.
And if it was, I didn’t mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it.Damn. Well, you win this time, Mr Donald, but we’ll get you in the end!
“Because the framers chose to define the group of people subject to Section Three by an oath to ‘support’ the Constitution of the United States, and not by an oath to ‘preserve, protect and defend’ the Constitution, the framers of the Fourteenth Amendment never intended for it to apply to the President,” Blue wrote.
By the same token, the Second Amendment doesn’t say “guns”.
Every American has a right to have one of these:
I’m sure that would paws the conversation…
Walk down 5th Ave with a good ole fashioned saber and see what happens 🫠
Guns happen?
Yup. Guns.
We’re all dumber for having this guy around
Remember that a large portion of the country still rallies behind this person. It’s a sad state of affairs.
And we all used to pretty much universally agree he’s a piece of shit. Like every villain in every 80s and 90s movie is overtly based on him.
Turns out, all you have to do is lie about your financial history in the intro of a popular reality TV show in order to 100% reverse that. Man, people (in general) are fucking stupid.
Republicans: “let’s vote for this guy”
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Yes, you did.We saw it. It was recorded. Stop lying, goddamn you.
The sophistry here is that the presidential oath doesn’t contain the word “support”. It’s complete bullshit but you never know with this SCOTUS.
Not sure how support doesn’t fall under “preserve, protect and defend” in every way that’s meaningful
That is the sophistry part. It clearly was intended to be a higher level of oath that included the lower one. Watch: SCOTUS will say that the president actually doesn’t have to support the Constitution.
Textualism at it’s finest
I mean, a Colorado court just decided that he did engage in an insurrection, and the phrase “office of the president” appears all over all sorts of documentation, but the guy who holds the office of the president is not an officer, so he’s allowed to commit treason and still run for president
Pretty much. Exploiting the loopholes.
not even a loophole. they’re just pretending the law is different than it is because they want it to be
Why is this comment so heavily upvoted? His argument is not that he never took an oath, but that the wording of it was not to “support.”
It still a stupid argument as far as I’m concerned, although it may be a good legal one, but its clear you didn’t even bother to read the argument, yet are very confident in your ignorance.
These are exactly the type of comments that should be down voted.
Trymps arguments are moving goal posts, he’s a narcissist. For the past 6 years we have all given him the benefit of the doubt and America and the rest of the world have been debating what he really means at every tweet and followed the narrative that HE wanted us to follow. Had we all taken OPs approach earlier and more often this guy would be in an old people’s house where he belongs, bragging with incontinent people about passing the men, woman camera TV test.
We should have called a funking liar and a demented that cannot articulate a point instead of talking to each other about what his argument was. This is staring from the media and down to individuals.
Remember if your uncle behaved like this at thanksgiving dinner you’d have him checked.
Whos been giving this guy the benefit of the doubt for 6 years now? I’m all for calling him a liar and a rambling idiot, which he is.
But I don’t see what this has to do with anything. Trump didn’t make the argument that he never took an oath, but that he never took an oath to “defend.” This is not debating what he really means, it’s just accepting the facts. You, like trump, might ignore reality to make the point you want, but I can’t do that. Sorry.
What he really means doesn’t matter, and he will keep changing it as you let him drag you in the mud.
Sorry we* wouldn’t have accepted a statement like this from Obama or even George w. And that’s the way it should be.
And by we I mean society, the media, his peers anyone. While you sit proudly on your high horse fascism takes over.
Holy shit this is amazing. I’m just pointing out what his actual argument is, like quite literally what his argument is in court.
I’m not saying we should accept it. You’re stuck in black and white thinking, and so because I point out that the facts contradict something that someone you agree with is claiming, then I must be drawing the exact opposite conclusion.
But, just like trump, it appears you don’t want to facts to get in the way of the narrative. If that high horse is basing opinions on facts and reality, then I’ll proudly sit tall upon it.
I’m not saying we should accept it.
Problem solved. Let’s move on shall we.
I disagree that the problem was solved, because this was never the problem to begin with, but I’m okay moving on as well.
Nuh-uh! That’s just lamestream media propaganda! /s
I can’t comprehend how any American who calls himself a patriot can vote for this traitorous pig.
Super easy: if you feel strongly enough, words don’t need to mean anything. There, all fixed!
Because they’re confusing “patriot” for “nationalist.”
The argument that I’ve heard from some prominent lawyers is that “preserve, protect and defend” was intended by the framers to be a stronger oath than “support” and that it should be construed as including “support”. Hopefully the courts agree with that reasoning.
Even if not stronger per se, surely if I said I was going to “protect” you, we would agree that I am “supporting” you. It’s like saying I only promised to make you wealthier, not pay you. They are not literally the same word but paying someone is a way to make them wealthier.
Straight up, if you’re protecting something it should be obvious that you support it
Otherwise why would you protect it?
For example: I protect personal privacy because I support the idea of personal privacy
Bam. Perjury.
What a simpler time when we could all joke about Clinton arguing about the meaning of the word “is”.
thing about that is, clinton actually had a point. he said “there is nothing going on between [he and monica lewinsky]” when asked, and was then accused of perjury. He argued that “is” meant “is”, and because at the time of asking he and lewinsky didn’t have an ongoing relationship he didn’t lie.
At least then we could argue about a lie being a lie, now it’s all “he never said that (literally 4 seconds ago), if he did it’s fine, if you’re mad that’s your fault, he never said it anyway. I like that he said it.”
Also back then a president getting a BJ was grounds for impeachment lol it really puts things into perspective
IIRC, he was impeached for lying about it, not actually doing it which IMHO, is less of an issue than cheating on your wife.
Great now im imagining a timeline where bill was 100% honest about it in a congressional hearing “Yeah I solicited a blowjob from monica, im one of the most famous and wealthiest politicians of the era. Spoilers, all us rich politicians like to get away with stuff we shouldn’t be doing, and the system is rigged to let us do it. So, what are you gonna do about it?”
Or even better:
“Hilldawg and I have been ethically non-monogamous since reading The Ethical Slut and I don’t really understand why America should be brought into our personal business. Monica is regularly our third and we both filed paperwork with White House HR before any physical interaction to avoid suspicion of bias towards her job performance”
I mean if it’s my dream timeline, I wanna make it fun.
Photos from early in their relationship definitely had the requisite amount of fuck-mojo
The young Clintons could both get it, ngl
I’ve always wondered why they stuck it out. It seems they both have different ideas about physical intimacy, so why stay? Is money worth years of being unloved and unhappy. It makes no sense to me.
I don’t think they’re unloved. I genuinely think more politicians than you think have “arrangements.” Even if not, infidelity happens, and I’m glad they worked through it
Cheating on his wife was reprehensible, but not really impeachment-worthy. Did it make any difference in his ability to govern? Nope. But sure, if it didn’t happen in his second term, I’m not going to say you shouldn’t have been allowed to consider it for whether or not you should vote for his reelection.
Cheating on your wife isn’t illegal, because we don’t live in a theocracy. That’s between him and his wife and maybe a marriage counselor. It has nothing to do with his office.
I was listening a podcast abour history of philosophy and the guy spent like two chapters talking abouts the meaning of “is” is, because of a middle age philosophers called the grammaticals or something like that, that keep discussing the meaning of words.
What was this podcast?
History of philosophy without any gaps
Bullshit, traitor. Lock him up.
I mean i believe that he doesn’t remember.
It was the accountant’s fault!
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If the Founders wanted Presidents removed for committing Insurrection they would have EXPLICITLY stated it in the Constitution! Just like how the EXPLICITLY allow people to own AR15 guns and how it’s EXPLICITLY allowed to shoot up schools with those guns!
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I like the cut of your jib.
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I hope we see this in the political ads next year
Harry & Lloyd, Laurel & Hardy, Trump & The Republican Party.
Not sure which one’s the dumbest.
The fact that you included Laurel & Hardy shows how big their genius was. They mastered the dumb in a way that is still influencing to this day!
