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Vaccines can be delivered through the skin using ultrasound. This method doesn’t damage the skin and eliminates the need for painful needles. To create a needle-free vaccine, Darcy Dunn-Lawless at the University of Oxford and his colleagues mixed vaccine molecules with tiny, cup-shaped proteins. They then applied liquid mixture to the skin of mice and exposed it to ultrasound – like that used for sonograms – for about a minute and a half.
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Antivaxxers now pro-abortion to avoid forced ultrasound vaccinations.
As interesting as that would be to happen, in reality, there’s just going to be a bunch more people going without pre natal care.
Which is going to be most red states in the next decade. Great time to be in the little coffin business though.
Why are democrats winning? The republican voter base makes decisions that directly affects their health in a negative way.
Hey Mr Darwin!
Until they run out of land that’s not private property. I think they’ll use mass graves first, then just to bury the bones and teeth that don’t burn.
I fervently wish I’d skipped this thread.
While this is awesome, I can already imagine anti-vaxxers are now deathly afraid of ultrasounds lol
Brace yourselves! Vaccination with sound conspiracies coming in!
“The IRS called, they vaccinated me trough my phone in my ear!!?”
“Mass vaccinations trough radio!!?”
As much as I hate fucking mobile alerts, they already thought the last test was some magical bullshit.
Ya see that one where someone’s landlord went loopy and cut power to their building because he’d consumed a bunch of conspiracy nut stuff?
I didn’t but I’m not surprised. I feel like this mystical thinking is rooted in our acceptance of religion to some extent.
This will just be their proof of the 5G-Covid link.
Ultrasound vaccines and 5G!
They push the vaccine through your skin with 5G!
I know you are joking, but I suspect that many people would swallow this idea while without any thought whatsoever.
Yes, we live in an age of uncritical thought.
When they’ll hear about it they’ll make ultrasound themselves)
Wut?
“Translating” they are gonna freak out and scream their pants out
Wanna bet that they will somehow combine this with 5G conspiracies?
“It’s all just a wave after all!!!” /s
That’s just what I said above, this will be their “proof” of the 5G-Covid link.
Idk, anti vaxxers aren’t afraid of needles/syringes as far as I understand. They don’t want that kind of substance to be put inside their body, regardless of the method of administration
It’s too bad we can’t put vaccines in cum. We’d either have nearly 100% vaccine rates or the antivaxxers would quickly die out.
How bout tweaking vasectomies
hey babe, let’s rawdog, i jizz pfizer
Great work happiness, with every dose also comes a redose every 60 days. How many patients can you handle
when shagging for my country, no sacrifice is too great
This is low key Genius.
I mean, yes, but a lot of them also think it’s a conspiracy where world leaders are trying to vaccinate everyone because ??? Those types will start avoiding ultrasound to not get tricked into getting vaccinated.
The best part is “depopulation by helping people stay healthy” e.g. The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
that’s the joke
I think that’s the basic premise of the Star Trek hypospray. Pressure pushing in medicine rather than a needle.
Actual hyposprays have been around since the 60’s. They are, by all account, quite painful and ironically not very hygienic.
My favorite anecdote, though not necessarily mine, about jet inoculation comes from the army. They had long lines of men to immunize and little time to do it. Walk up, hold still, hear the click, feel the water pierce you, walk away sore. However, if anyone moved even slightly during the process, the needle of water becomes a knife, slicing their shoulder open. It was not a well thought out mechanism.
Concerns
- Splash-back
- Fluid suck-back
- Retrograde flow
Who thought this was a good idea?
The 60s. They weren’t all there back then
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Fallout is a documentary series.
That’s more like a jet injector, which we’ve already had for a while.
A lot slower, though. Article says it takes a minute and a half.
It takes my kid half an hour of screaming and throwing a public fit just to get within two miles of a needle, so I’ll take it.
Fair enough.
Fwiw, my kid who was like that still hates needles, she just has better ways of coping now. The other kid likes to watch it go in, doesn’t bother her a bit.
Both get an ice cream cone on the way home.
Of course being clenched up with fear makes it more painful too, so at some point not in the middle of the screaming, make sure they know to try to relax that arm muscle even if the rest of their body is rigid with fear. And to remember it’s going to take maybe 10 seconds so don’t pull away. (It will take less, but kids count fast)
It’s too bad we can’t let them do it themselves, it might make it easier.
Also tell the person administering it to do it slowly. In my experience, most of the pain was from them doing it too fast. Something about the fluid stretching the muscle in painful ways before it can spread out, or something.
That tracks with my experience. I’m shot-tolerant, so I have the calmness to observe. Of course, some are also just inherently more irritating/painful than others, and there’s different volumes of liquid as well.
For instance, if you’re shot-averse, get Pfizer Covid rather than Moderna Covid. It’s ⅓ of the size/dose.
Also consider the people who have needle phobias. My heart starts to race before getting a vaccine. If I have to give a blood sample I will faint.
I’m getting woozy talking about this.
That’s weird. My heartrate and blood pressure go down before getting a shot.
Then I go down, and feel like death for a day and like I’m in rehab for a week.
Funny thing, I’m not really getting woozy talking about it (a little, but more sympathetic memory of it).
In other news, conservatives have introduced a bill to outlaw ultrasound machines.
Since vaginal ultrasound is how they detect a “fetal heartbeat” at 6 weeks (the heart isn’t yet formed or pushing any blood, but there’s an electronic pulse) at which point abortion is illegal in many states, that might be a good thing.
Although, as ultrasound is also how my overdue fetus was diagnosed with the umbilical cord wrapped 3x around the neck, leading to a quick C-section and healthy baby, I would rather keep the ultrasound machines and lose the lunatics.
They don’t care about women who are considering abortion. I’d be more worried that they’d implement a less reliable test.
at which point abortion is illegal in many states, that might be a good thing.
It’s about 3 months here (Swiss). I think that is when neuronal tissue forms?
The ultrasound waves are how they activate the 5g tracking chips, it’s all in their plan I got from this website I found on page 68 of Google.
Great, a new thing for the lunatics to rant about.
I was gonna say oh now they are gonna say that’s what the 5g towers are REALLY for 🙄🙄🙄
At this point if it was possible to orchestrate some massive conspiracy to vaccinate people en masse, we should just do that. They’ll shout about it either way, but this way they’ll at least be vaccinated
This is basically the fluoride ‘debate’.
(Yes, fluoridating the water supply is good.)
Also, if you are injesting enough flouride to cause health issues when you brush your teeth, you are brushing horrifically wrong.
I specifically remember my bio mom ranting about how we all would have telekinetic powers if not for the fluoride in the water. She believed that was the ‘real’ reason the government did it.
That’s a cool conspiracy theory I wish was true.
You’re not wrong!
Torn between the dystopian abuse that will inevitably occur and thinking how funny it will be for a couple years.
claim that the vaccine is actually for 5g blocking
That was my first thought the flat earthers and mud flood people are going to have a field day with this!
And here come the conspiracy theories…
No joke. The first thing that popped into my mind when reading the title was: “great, now my father will be afraid to do an ultrasound test”
Now you can be ultrasounded while walking down the street! You wont even notice.
Hyposprays are finally here!!!
Finally? They were used back in the 1970s. There were issues with them getting contaminated during use, so disposable needles became the norm.
I should patent a long range dart gun for vaccinating morons.
dartWait, so we like guns now?
Who are “we” and why do we need to have the same opinion?
If you’re not part of the hivemind that changes depending on which sub you are on, them you are the enemy. No take backsies.
Always have.
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The YouTuber Allen Pan build something for that.
History proves we do the cheapest, easiest, and fastest. So allow me to shit all over this idea…
- This is slow at 1.5 mins vs a needle takes about 5 secs.
- Takes skill to operate an ultrasound machine and probably training to get a consistent dose vs pull needle to this line and jab in arm to know you got it all in there.
- Every Rite Aid and CVS would need an ultrasound machine vs here are these cheap disposable needles that require no power or maintenance.
Sure they might develop it faster or make a new more portable thing. But that’s going to take a long long time when no one gives a shit to invest money in a new thing when needles work.
As with all new inventions/procedures, this is just the first step. The process will become faster and more efficient in the future.
In my opinion, this is a great first step towards a Star Trek-like hypospray.
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No one is suggesting this be put in practice in its current form, that would be insane. That said, this is a good first step for alternative forms of vaccination. “First step” being the important part.
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You seem to be the only commenter here who recognizes that this would be amazing for pediatric patients - who coincidentally receive way more vaccines than adults.
Might be useful for those people whose blood doesn’t clot. Though I don’t know if a small syringe needle is even an issue for them anyway
- 1.5min really isn’t that long compared to the procedures just to process insurance, identity, etc. Retrieving needles, etc. This only needs the topical vaccine, an ultrasound machine, and a wipe for the machine.
- When this goes mainstream it’ll be a little device with cutout so you can apply it flawlessly to the upper arm. Ultrasounds need training to get readable data, but probably a LOT less just to apply ultrasound to an area.
- Needles will still be king anywhere in the developing world. It’ll be more expensive initially, but with the mass production the price will go down. And there will be small cost savings to not having to deal with sharps and biohazards as often.
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There’s more to full sedation than just “scared of dentists”, but it’s a start. Anyone who needs substantial work can get it done in 1 day on full sedation instead of a dozen shorter sessions. yes, “needs substantial work” often relates to “scares of dentists” (or relates to “was too damn poor for dentists”)
And I’m with you on hyper-hypodermic-phobia thing. People don’t realize that “fear of needles” does not manifest as a phobia, but as an acute body response. Getting a shot ruins me for a week, and often involves a doctor’s time because my vasovagal symptoms tend to need a little more expert observation. About 1/3 of the time I stop breathing for a short time. I’ve never needed life-saving measures, but they need to make sure that’s the case (lol).
So for doctor’s offices, it could easily become savings for them because of people who have responses to needles.
I’d like to be an optimist when it comes to things like this, some people really really can’t stand needles and something like this would be great for them people. I hope it develops further.
Why can’t we get intranasal vaccines?
I think it depends. I went to an ER once that threw me into a wheelchair when the world was spinning post-blood-draw and dropped me off in the hall saying “You’ll be fine!”. That hospital will never get an Ultrasound injector.
When I got my first COVID vax, however, I took up 20 minutes of the time of 2 on-call doctors and a nurse because my passing out often resembles a seizure. And then I took up one of their very few “just in case” beds for close to 90 minutes. Someone else with a problem with needles waiting for a vax had to wait for the bed to open up. They’d have killed to have said ultrasound injector for people like me.
We are one step closer to hypo sprays from Star Trek. I don’t like needles so this will be really neat to see in mass adoption.
Hyposprays already were invented, mass produced, used as standard in the military for several years, and abandoned because they weren’t as hygienic as needles.
Anything that pushes through the skin into the blood pushes pathogens in too. Statistically, needles were safer so hyposprays were abandoned.
Presumably the version they use in Star Trek avoids that problem somehow, so it’s still a thing that would need to be invented.
The doctors are constantly jabbing people one right after another and often through the uniform…I’d love to see the explanation in universe for that
Maybe their uniforms are self-sterilizing.
Medicine is improved so everyone has super immunity in the future. So it’s not that the hypo isn’t pushing dirt into their veins, it’s that they don’t care.
I’m diabetic. This would be awesome!!
Miniatyrize ultrasound part, make it communicare with those glucose sensors that are placed on shoulder, make it portable enough and Presto! Artificial pancreas.
Nice Idea!
Even the long application time is no issue there, since you just carry the device with you
I’m dumb…what does being diabetic have to do with inability to get needle vaccines? I’m seriously asking.
There’s type 1 and 2 diabetes. I believe type 2 requires you to regularly prick your fingers to test your blood sugar levels several times a day while type 1 requires mandatory insulin shots into your stomach a few times a day. Basically a diabetic fuckin hates needles for good reason and to be able to do that with ultrasound would be rad.
It could be that if vaccines can be attached to a “cup-like protein” and given through the skin, than maybe insulin could too. Just less needle sticks overall
OHHHHHHH. Jeez it took me way too long for this to click. Thanks!
If i remember correctly diabetic people have a hard time closing a wound
The pancreas is an organ which produces a hormone called insulin, which regulates the intake of sugar from the blood.
In type 1 diabetics, the pancreas has been damaged by an autoimmune reaction, so they need to monitor their blood sugar and administer insulin to the blood using external equipment.
This can be done manually with a needle and glucose tester for measuring blood sugar, and a syringe for administering insulin, or an insulin pump and continuous glucose monitor, which adhere to the skin and have continuous access to the blood through a cannula.
Being able to administer insulin without a needle or cannula would eliminate a common point of failure in this system. The cannula of an insulin pump can easily become dislodged from the skin when disturbed and leak insulin onto the surface, resulting in high blood sugar and wasted insulin.
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Will anyone actually do this, if it takes 1-1.5 minutes and needs a heavy machine?
People who don’t like needles? Or do you mean institutions?
I’m sure there are some people that would help, but I went from blood draws making me nearly pass out to self injecting meth(otrexate) once a week after my RA diagnosis.
A blood draw ruins my week (not exaggerated). If I were diagnosed with diabetes I would end up dead. For me, anything that avoids a needle is worth it.
Exactly. For you it’d likely be worth it. For people like me it’d be a waste - the answer was to nut up. I also require hour-long transfusions every two months. I’m not sure they could do anything but maybe put you under anesthesia for something like that.
Yeah, I really can’t imagine. My wife (who works in the medical field) tried to help me “get used to” needles and I didn’t make a single lick of progress. With my kind of issue, it’s common that the issue gets worse and not better if you get shots more often. Something about my subconscious forming a feedback loop with my reactions to create worse reactions over time. I didn’t stop breathing from shots when the symptoms started when I was 8 or 9, just got dizzy/lightheaded and passed out.
That sounds insanely distressing. I won’t recount my bad experiences. None of them were harmful, but some nurses aren’t as gentle as others.
I knew it, the govment are poisoning us with their 5G waves!
What if 5G radio wave is there to push vaccines hidden in sunscreen into our body? /s
few inches closer to Star Trek
Better than Star Trek. Hypospray seems not to be painless.
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Hyposound!
If they can do this for insulin which sounds like it’s the same this is a game changer
So, now antivax mothers can’t get ultrasound anymore while they’re pregnant?
Yup. Guess they can’t know the gender or its health conditions.
Cue an entire generation of malformed republican babies will smallpox
