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      For better or worse you happen to be using the one messaging app that is broadly agreed to be worse than iMessage.

      Signal and Telegram are far superior, even putting aside the most glaring flaws of the other two.

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          I’ve successfully converted a spouse, which I don’t think is out of the question w.r.t who I replied to.

          I’ve also converted my main friend group, but appreciate that’s insurmountable for a lot of people - genuinely, people hate change after all. I’m lucky to have a lot of friends who work in tech and are receptive to trying new things.

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          Fair enough. It’s kind of an oxymoron to worry about the trust of a given 3rd party messaging app while using products from a known, wide scale, repeated privacy intruder like Meta, but you have what you need in terms of convenience so I won’t make a further case for an alternative.

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        I’d say Telegram isn’t superior. It’s default encryption is nowhere near iMessage.

        And if you step up the encryption, you lose group chats.

        For it’s flaws, iMessage is a very good solution, one that Signal was emulating for a while.

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          I’m not criticising the UX of iMessage for Apple to Apple comms. It’s solid, and was leader-in-class for a very long time.

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      I literally started being the dick who says, “Message me via Signal or fuck off.”

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      Why should they be forced to interop? That’ll just reduce it to the lowest commend denominator. What impetus would any of them have for investing in making a better system if everyone can use their work?

      We have choices. We don’t have to use iMessage, or Beeper. We can use other messengers.

      Forcing interop means all messengers will function the same… Again at the LCD level.

      Plus different messengers have different capabilities, different use-cases.

      Frankly I don’t even want to use SMS at all, and haven’t wanted to for 10 years. I want a messenger that’s independent of my mobile device that I can simply sign into just about anywhere. Kind of like instant messengers were in the late 90’s (which often used things like XMPP).

      Ten+ years ago I was running instant messengers on Android. Pidgin, Trillian, etc, logging in to multiple messengers. That should’ve been the path forward, but people couldn’t be bothered because SMS was free, native, and “good enough” (in their minds).

      And yet back then any conversations I had on any device showed up on all devices. With no dependence on my SIM or phone hardware ID.

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          How else do you make them interop, other than by finding a common mapping?

          Why would any company map their extended or unique elements, which they developed, to meet government regs?

          They won’t, they’ll drop to the least effort required to get the regulators off their backs.

          I have a choice. Apple users have a choice. There are plenty of other messenging systems out there.

          MS Teams

          Skype

          Element

          SimpleX

          Signal

          Telegram

          Wire

          Wiremin

          Litewire

          Discord

          Conversations

          Snikket

          Briar

          Zello

          TwinMe

          Tox

          Keybase

          Threema

          Whatsapp

          Jami

          XMPP (which some listed use)

          Just go to Wikipedia for a long list of different messengers and their capabilities.