I’ve had to clean up a depressing amount of comments in this thread so this is everyones friendly reminder.
Rule 1 - Be civil. Don’t attack people for their beliefs or lackthereof.
Rule 2 - No politics.
Report all offending content please.
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I think the political spectrum is shifting around you. Pretty sure right-wingers would call George W. Bush left leaning if he ran today.
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I think part of the disconnect comes from the fact that all but the most entirely sheltered and innocent men know this. We realize we could be attacked, at any time, and it’s almost certain to be another man who would be attacking us. Of course, society also applies very real pressure upon us, to not act scared or nervous, basically ever.
If there’s an actual good reason to go walking around at 3:30 AM, totally alone and unarmed, through a place with a bunch of easy hiding spots for weirdos to attack you…well we’re usually just gonna do it, because refusing would make us look like weak individuals, and there absolutely WOULD be people who would take social advantage of that fact.
The odds of getting attacked are much lower than the odds of losing valuable social status. So we do dumb shit, in that regard.
And the thing is, that’s all wrapped up into the deal, for us. We already know it. Again: unless you’re TRULY ignorant and naïve, you absolutely know that any man is a potentially deadly threat. So all your assumptions, interactions, and calculations after that point? They’re graded on a curve. You know MOST men aren’t actually ever going to mug you. You know MOST muggers aren’t ever going to be hiding in the bushes outside the particular gas station YOU went in, to buy something at night. You know your friends and relatives are INCREDIBLY unlikely to hurt you. Maybe you’ll get into a fistfight with some of them, at some point. That can happen with male groups, weirdly frequently. Annnnd you shouldn’t do it, because you really can get hurt. But even then, it’s still pretty rare that someone gets severely damaged.
So, at the end of the day, it’s jarring to hear the conversation taken back to the absolute basic point of “all men can be dangerous.” Because we’re all so intimately familiar with the ins and outs of that whole deal, it SOUNDS like it’s far more literal than it is. Or maybe it sounds LESS literal than it is. Either way, it just sounds off, compared to the normal calculations of being a guy, and therefore being expected to ignore and accept physical danger.
A related point to raise is the disturbing number of instances that I’ve encountered, where women flatly refuse to believe that men are VASTLY more likely than women to be the victims of violent crimes, most especially murder and manslaughter. I’ve heard women simply deny it, in the face of any statistical data, wildly claiming that the data must be fabricated. I’ve also heard women basically say “well, these guys must have been in gangs, or fighting, or doing dangerous things.”
Oh…you mean, like, the victim is to blame for the crime? Like, victim blaming?
That shit isn’t okay. Saying “noooo! women ARE more likely to be attacked” is exactly like saying “not all men!” It’s the same type of hurtful, ignorant shit. Neither “side” should do either of those things.
Another salient point is that thing about your friends and relatives being less likely to attack you, if you’re a man. That whole thing REALLY DOES reverse itself, statistically speaking, if you’re a woman. A looooot of abuse comes from women’s social circles. Assault, sexual violence, grooming, verbal abuse, threats, coercive control…all that stuff is more likely to come from people you know. And, regardless of your gender, it’s ALWAYS harder to get it to stop, when it comes from the inside of your group.
If a wacko attacks you on the street, you just tell everyone, and everyone has your back. When it’s someone inside your group, it is ALWAYS harder to get away from, harder to punish with the law, harder to survive.
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…and also that the God is the same for all of them, they just have different lore.
Different DLCs, as it were
Jew is the base, Christian and Muslim are DLC
More like jew is sequel and first part was zaratusztrianizm
More like faction choices.
The same fictional all seeing man who cares when they masturbate or who they make love to.
the God is the same for all of them
Entirely fictional.
whether you’re atheist or not, judaism, christianity and islam (as well as several other smaller religions) are all abrahamic, meaning that they all stem from the same root religion. theyve all evolved over time, but in essence, the god they worship is literally the same one throughout all three.
I agree with what you’re saying. I might be wrong here, but I got the impression the person you replied to wasn’t saying that the statement is fictional/wrong, but that the god is fictional
You’re sounding like a redditor.
Because they’re explaining that someone else is atheist?
What a weird comment.
That’s a given… don’t state the obvious, it’s like reminding that magic isn’t real in a Harry Potter forum.
Can’t unsee
I mean, considering what happened next in this episode…
As a boomer, I don’t recall my parents teaching me anything about prejudice, the same at school. The only guidance on prejudice came from my religious education (I’m RC by birth) and to be honest it was completely the opposite to this sentiment. We were taught, for example, that Protestants were evil and that we should never befriend them or trust them.
I stopped going to church when I was about 11, it no longer felt relevant and the teachings were against my own personal beliefs. I had grown up with friends who were of different faiths, Jewish, Protestant, Muslim as well as Catholic, and didn’t consider them to be anything other than buddies.
Some religious teachings have value, but by promoting prejudice as well, the impact is diminished. The only times I have been in church since I was 11 were for weddings and funerals.
Right, they’re not a problem for me. We could get along all day but I’m a problem to them as a gay atheist.
E: I’d really like to know why the downvotes. I’ve literally been discriminated against for one or the other by religious people alike for the exact same reasons regardless of creed. I’m not just gonna forget that to sing along to kumbaya and pretend the world is rosy.
I feel this. I’ve met a few exceptions (including my sister, who is wonderful and my best friend), but much of the time I can only get along with religious people until they find out I’m queer. It’s pretty uncommon, at least where I live, to meet a religious person who’d even want to be friends with me, knowing that.
Right! Like the moderator up top said don’t criticize people for their beliefs. Are you fucking kidding me?! So their belief that you should be killed is OK?
Only a select few people actually profit from hatred and division between us. Let’s not give them that twisted satisfaction. ✊🏼
Idk, a lot of people relish in doing the discrimination. You can see it in their faces that they’re having a grand ol’ time making others miserable.
Yeah but they don’t derive any material benefit from the misery. Only the politicians are profiting from hate.
We all know how the cartoon will go in a couple of seconds.
Hell, my Jewish friends be hanging out with my Muslim friends.
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Honestly it doesn’t matter these days
… riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
