You should listen to your friend Barry, he’s really good at running campaigns
Edit: Ha ha; I knew those downvotes were coming! :)
Well, Biden won, so maybe Obama was just wrong
…at least in the short term.
I get it. He’s old, he’s on the “wrong side” of Israel/Palestine, etc. Doesn’t fucking matter. It’s a binary choice, you got Brandon or you got trump. And if you can’t accept that stark reality, you’re probably too stupid to impose your opinion on others.
Know who else is on the wrong side of the Israel/Palestine conflict? No matter who wins, Palestinians lose, because a Trump administration will absolutely let the IDF go gloves off.
They’re both on the wrong side.
How about if we try it like this: Israel is a satellite wing of the US army.
Now all 3 are wrong.
It also seems kinda redundant.
The real problem here is that the majority of voting Americans have been manipulated by narrow interests to support the wrong side. Fucking idiots and their fairy tales.
The real real problem is the millions of people who voted for Joe Biden in the 2020 primaries forcing us all into this situation today. Fuck those people.
You gotta be dumber than dogshit if you think any prez from either party wouldn’t do exactly as Brandon is doing. Why the fuck do you think he’s doing this? hint: it’s because he’d lose more votes if he didn’t support Israel.
it’s because he’d lose more votes if he didn’t support Israel.
Then all the people who said we can push Biden to the left were lying and I’m not going to vote for him again.
Have fun shooting yourself in the dick.
Have fun defending people voting for procorporate trash in the 2020 primaries.
Wow! You must be very small and very sad to have this one single issue let you sell out your country to a dictator.
People have been very vocal about multiple issues with Biden. You just aren’t paying attention.
Democrat primary voters don’t matter
IDF won’t have to because America will enter a hot war with Iran because Trump is an actual Zionist.
Trump will enter such a situation because he wants to build a resort somewhere for money laundering purposes, not because he is beholden to any specific faith or idealogy.
Trump is literally out there quoting Hitler. He is not a Zionist, not even in the Christian Nationalist “we need Israel to exist to start the Rapture” kind of Zionist.
Do you think he knows he’s using the same words as Hitler?
I think he admires the words of Hitler (and the unfettered power it briefly afforded him), but there’s a possibility Trump’s too senile to realize he’s now using Hitler’s words directly.
Yeah, where does he get his money from then I wonder?
🎶you really gonna make me vote for Joe Biden?🎶
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGmXGkIr7w0
Just going to drop this here for those that didn’t get that reference.
The first time I heard this it was the music set to a dude with a really displeased face doing a dance. It was glorious.
It does matter, though.
That’s what democrats still haven’t realized.
Maybe a 2nd trump presidency will teach them.
That’s not the lesson learned by Trump winning. The learned lesson would be Joe Biden isn’t enough like Trump and the democrats need to be further right to win.
So they can recruit more conservatives?
What makes you think a significant number of people who voted for Trump will ever consider voting for a democrat?
I don’t think that. But that’s the lesson that gets learned. Why did Biden get the nomination? Because he was “electable.” What did primary voters decide electable meant? The most milquetoast and “center” candidate of the bunch. Trump winning doesn’t push Democrats to be progressive or bold. It pushes them away from that. Only when they feel they have huge majorities do they do anything verging on progressive.
It pushes them away from that.
All it did was cause them to run the exact same candidate that lost to Trump but this time with a penis.
There are so many MAGAtrumpers here with the “gEnOciDE jOe” nonsense that are seemingly unaware that their believed king will do the exact same thing, only with him- they get a side-order of bigotry, racism, oppression, tyranny, and cowardice.
I hope you will all be happy with your lateral move on this single-issue decision. Because YOU will be who gets the blame when Trump wins the throne.
Maga people don’t say that. It’s the progressives that use “Genocide Joe”. Democrats: We will support Israel. Republicans: Gaza will be a parking lot. Progressives: The two main options are the same but worded differently.
Trump has supporters because the nominees he ran against are garbage.
Trump was able to cause Jan 6 because enough people who hate Democrats kept getting Republican nominees pushed in to take over the Judicial and Executive branches. Trump is a symptom and the Democrats are not the solution.
Yup. Trump is polling way too well for anyone to treat this as a typical election where common sense wins the day.
Many voting blocs apparently can no longer see the plain, stupifyingly obvious lies, fascism and narcissism dripping from every speech he has given for the last 8 years. We’re slow-walking to the end of American democracy.
This election year will be exhausting for us all, but if there’s ever a time to put everything into it, it’s now and it’s this election.
He’s polling well because the only people who still respond to polls are shitheel boomers.
Say it again for the people at the back. When was the last time you answred a phone call from a political surveyor?
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I’m voting Biden, but again, we are here because Biden is fucking old. The Democrats should have made an effort to bring in new candidates. The only reason to keep Biden in place is to keep Trump off. But also the wars happening now are all from Biden’s generation. So maybe it’s fine, he should fix those things.
We had a vigorous primary, many interesting candidates in '19-20 (Bernie leading easily until SC, Warren backstab, pandemic). Before Super Tuesday, Democrat primary voters were told to unite around Biden, and they did. So that was… weird, but maybe I can blame pandemic.
Biden’s been more progressive than I would’ve imagined, and is surrounded by decent people, so I’m not concerned about his ancient brain quite yet. The other option is… religious fascism, destruction of govt, civil war, T**** family dictatorship, etc. Let’s go Brandon, I guess.
Yeah, I just hope he lasts the next 4 years. Meanwhile hopefully we do end up with better candidates. Bernie would have been a heck of a president. We need a Bernie that is 30 years old.
They could convince Taylor Swift to run. Not sure what the office would do to her ego though. She already is like pseudo royalty. Also not sure if we want another billionaire to run. I think she might even be old enough in time for her
coronationahem, inauguration.President TeTe!
Dem primary voters are gigantic cowards and always have been.
It’s rich fuckers that live in and near cities that don’t see themselves as racist even though they are. They just want the status quo without feeling bad about it.
Fuck everyone who voted for Biden in the 2020 primaries.
…said the trumper.
Call me whatever you want. If you don’t need my vote then ignore me. If you do then fucking pay attention.
Look kid. You do what you want. It’s your vote. That’s what democracy is. But don’t get used to it. Because when it’s gone, it won’t be illegal to blame you for it.
Look kid.
Look Boomer. You voted for a procorporate trash candidate in the 2020 primaries. That was your decision. You’re responsible for how they do in the general election. I’m not responsible for how your garbage candidate performs.
Anybody who doesn’t like the rape apologist supports Trump 😭😭😭
Everyone seems to hate Clarence Thomas but doesn’t seem to remember Biden grilling Anita Hill.
It’s almost like the guy above you is complaining that we had many better options during the 2020 primary, but people like you voted for a dogshit candidate that is literally losing in the polls to an overt fascist.
So when democracy is gone, I personally will blame people who saw how much a threat Trump was and thought fucking Joe Biden was the best choice.
Exactly. And if you ask people why they voted for Joe Biden they’ll come right out and say it: They wanted to fight against the interests of progressives and leftists. Then they have the gall to turn around and act like we’re on the same side in the general.
Maybe fucking lock him behind bars next time. You know, he commited an insurrection or something.
Oh, I forgot, he has rich friends so its impossible. Rule of law my ass.
And put Genocide Joe in the cell next to him for crimes against humanity.
Right alongside every other president that ever served as POTUS.
The two main alternatives to not elect Trump are:
- The one, single man who is the current President of The United States Of America, can change what he’s doing on a number of subjects, including his active continued material support for the Israeli Genocide, to get the votes.
- Millions of people can go against their principles and vote for that man so that Trump doesn’t win.
Logically it would be much easier to achieve the objective of Trump not getting elected by the solution of that one, single man to change how he acts as President of The United States Of America, than by the solution of the millions of people turned of by the actions of that man as POTUS to ignore their Principles and vote for that man.
Surelly if the people loudly demanding that others ignore their Principles and vote for Biden so that Trump doesn’t win had indeed only “make sure Trump isn’t elected” as the purest of motivations and were not at all driven by tribalism, they would be concentrating their pressure not on the millions it takes to convince to win the vote via that solution but on that, one, single man, who persists in acting in a way that turns millions off from voting for him.
For an outsider like me, the persitence on the “lets convince millions” option instead of “lets loudly demonstrate on the streets against Biden until he acts differently” looks like pure mindless tribalism of “The Chief is always right and even if he isn’t he’s our Chief so we’ll stand by him” kind. (Totally valid. Just don’t be a hypocrite and claim it’s about making sure Trump doesn’t win, as that objective can way, WAY, WAY more easilly be achieved by your Chief starting to trully listen to those whose votes he wants).
The kicker is Democrats dont win elections by appealing to the Republicans. The republicans didn’t make their mind on logic, they’re not gonna vote blue because Biden looks like a Republican, they’re far more tribal than that. Democrats win the elections where they energize their base and increase voter turnout.
But instead of energizing the base, they inch rightwards because their political donators just love it when that happens, and more than most of the top enshrined Democrats are from states that would never vote Republican or have guaranteed DNC jobs lined up if they do. When Trump was in office, Democrats were able to raise MORE money because of how scared people are. I really dont think the decision makers in the Democratic party cares if they lose the majority or the presidency because they’re still taken care of at the end of the day.
So tldr: Democrats dont win by moving to the right but they make more money when they do, and they make lots of money when they lose.
I think for someone as advanced in age and tired as Biden is, he needs a truly inspiring VP candidate. He stepped up when we needed him and beat Trump, but Biden also needed to be a one term president as a stopgap for the next generation, but like every other Democrat politician, he’s hanging on too long, and we’ll pay the price.
I get they tried this with Kamala Harris, to some extent, but she has squandered the opportunity. I’d consider myself fairly well informed, above average for sure, and I’d struggle to name 5 things she’s done in the last 3 years.
I think part of the issue is that whatever it is she has done has not stuck in the news.
Because she was deliberately sidelined for being ferociously unpopular.
I think this is closer to reality than many people realize.
I mean, the entire red half of the country doesn’t like her for being one or more of: female, black, Democrat. So that’s half.
Then even among the blue half, she’s got a reputation as a fairly moderate dem whose “tough on crime” shtick falls flat with most progressives who are, to one degree or another, ambivalent at best toward police if not outright hostile. For most who watched the primary debates, I think she came across as tone deaf and incredibly fake and forced.
On paper, she may have seemed like an ideal VP pick for Biden, being black and female, presumably helping him with those two demographics. While I have no data to back it up, to me, on the campaign trail, she didn’t seem to connect with either of those demographics, and usually just faded into the background, her job seemingly going no deeper than, “Stand there and make Biden look more progressive” even though the two of them were probably the least progressive faces in the primaries.
That said, I think she still has better than even odds of being his running mate again next year.
Obama to Biden: “There’s room on the right.”
Exactly. People in here keep pretending Democrats “want” to move to the left. They don’t. They love being procorporate fascist light pieces of shit.
The Democrats honestly brought this on themselves.
Bernie Sanders was by far the most popular candidate in 2016, but Hillary ultimately won the nomination purely on superdelegates because the system is crooked and apparently the Clinton dynasty had to continue. It’s a substantially different world, and the Clintons have heavily fallen out of public favour, which is why Hillary failed to get elected.
Sanders had another chance in 2020, this time the party members threw Bernie under the bus and chose to counter one senile fossil with another.
Yes Bernie Sanders would’ve been the oldest candidate, but Biden hasn’t exactly aged gracefully and seems to be even more forgetful than Trump.
I don’t think Biden has a chance of winning this year’s election unless by some landmark supreme court miracle, Trump is struck off from the ballot and the Republican Party is forced to hastily select another candidate. Even then I think someone like Ted Cruz, Jeb Bush, Ron DeSantis or Rick Santorum would thrash Biden in the polls.
And if Trump wins, I fear the Fascist takeover that will follow.
To “Keep Trump out” there are only two realistic options: either one single person, Joe Biden, changes his actions as POTUS (starting with his continued material support for the Genocide in Palestine) or millions of Americans have to go against their principles and vote for him.
It seems to me that if the members of the Democrat-tribe doing the rounds telling people they “should vote for Biden otherwise Trump wins” genuinelly wanted to “Keep Trump out” they would instead be pressing hard for that one, single man to start listenning to voters and act differently, rather than go for the much, much harder option of getting millions of Americans to swallow their principles so that this one single man can keep on acting the same way he does now.
Seems to me that keeping Trump out is secondary to Biden not having to listen to voters and continue to act freely as he feels like, even if that’s so against the wishes of millions of Americans that previously voted for him that they even find those actions unprincipled and repugnant.
Running Biden is the best thing democrats can do to guarantee a Trump presidency.
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Then why did the democrats not impeach him based on the Mueller Report?
Hillary Clinton hired Christopher Steele to do oppo research against Trump, this became known as the Steele Dossier and contained a number of accusations on Trump. After the election the FBI started a serious investigation on if these accusations were true, and after two years the Mueller Report concluded that none of the serious allegations against Trump could be verified. This is why the Democrats (who had a majority in the house at that time) decided not to impeach, there was nothing there.
Russia did try to influence the election, but this does not mean Trump was complicit, and no proof of this was found.
“Then why did the democrats not impeach him based on the Mueller Report?”
They did. Where have you been.
They did not, they impeached him twice: once on Ukraine and once on jan 6. Never on Russia; never on the Mueller report.
The Muller Report explicitly asked Congress to investigate further. Muller stated that Justice Department policy tied his hands to look any further into a sitting President.
Barr then gets ahead of it saying “this is a nothingburger”. That becomes the media narrative before anyone outside the Justice Department can actually read it. One which you’re now repeating. Impeachment isn’t like a court case; it is primarily a political process. Barr knew this, and to this day, Trump had no clue how much Barr saved his ass.
Read the Muller Report, not the headlines. It is a damning document.
Mueller Report, vol. I, p. 173: “Ultimately, the investigation did not establish that the Campaign coordinated or conspired with the Russian government in its election-interference activities.”
What Bar said is irrelevant, I’m basing my statements on the Mueller report.
Nope, you’re cherry picking. Muller didn’t establish that because he didn’t wasn’t allowed to go further. Here’s the complete paragraph of that very quote:
"As set forth in detail in this report, the Special Counsel’s investigation established that Russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election principally through two operations. First, a Russian entity carried out a social media campaign that favored presidential candidate Donald J. Trump and disparaged presidential candidate Hillary Clinton. Second, a Russian intelligence service conducted computer-intrusion operations against entities, employees, and volunteers working on the Clinton Campaign and then released stolen documents. The investigation also identified numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign. Although the investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts, the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities. "
So even if there was no direct collusion, there sure as hell was a deliberate campaign by Russia to support Trump. The only thing Muller was blocked from establishing was if the Trump Campaign was talking to the Russians directly, or if Russia merely saw a Trump Presidency as being in their interests and worked on their own. Again, Muller was not allowed to follow up any deeper than he did.
You can’t impeach someone who isn’t in office
The wording of the Mueller report wasn’t a slam dunk for Democrats to impeach with. There was no smoking gun, just that in all likelihood, Trump colluded with Russian agents in undermining the election. His children met directly with Russians to discuss manipulating voters, but Trump is Teflon Don and apparently was never in any of those meetings. We all believe him of course.
There’s little evidence that Russia did anything worse than any other special interest group.
But you don’t care when corporations do it.
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Russiagate is just the Ziodiac Killer coming out against Jeffrey Dahmer’s heinous actions. It’s a joke.
That’s not the joke here.
