Former President Donald Trump must pay writer E. Jean Carroll over $83 million in damages for repeatedly defaming her, a jury found Friday.
The nine-person jury began deliberations in federal court in New York at 1:40 p.m. ET and reached a verdict in just under three hours.
Trump’s attorney Alina Habba contended that Carroll “had failed to show she is entitled to any damages at all” because she “actively sought the comments and the attention” she received.
Wow. They actually used the “she was asking for it” argument against a victim of sexual assault.
Also, he’s still not going to shut up about it and will land back in court under additional defamation charges.
Not exactly. It’s far more insidious (and stupid). Her tact was to show that Carroll already received her financial reward by all the books and news appearances (i.e. the “comments and attention”). Basically, “Sure, she was raped, but look how well she profited from it!”
Too bad that kind of argument is only really relevant to the first trial. This one was punitive damages for failing to shut up after losing the first one, the purpose of which is to punish Trump so he thinks twice about doing it again, not award reparations to Ms. Carroll.
Alina Habba is truly the lawyer Trump deserves.
I agree, and my comment was intended as a reference not to the original rape but to the defense saying that she did not deserve any additional compensation due to Trump’s ongoing defamation because she wanted to profit off of it.
If I remember, one of his initial defenses against the allegations of rape was that the woman accusing him was too unattractive to rape, while other defenses were “they just let you do it.” I was thinking about the ironic application of the “asking for it” argument being applied to the additional judgement of defamation.
He’s going to triple down on this though, because he never thinks twice about anything. I don’t know if he is actually playing the game of “never admit to being wrong even when you are” or if he’s simply delusional enough to have reconstructed reality in his own brain, but I’d lay a wager that he’s not going to be able to shut up about this, even now. I don’t think it will even take a reporter triggering him by asking about it. I think it’s just going to pop out in one of his word salad campaign rambles.
I think it’s just going to pop out in one of his word salad campaign rambles.
And I can’t wait for that to happen, because I’m sure a third jury will be so pleased (/s) he did it a third time.
Maybe next time he could at least be smart enough to do it in a red state.
Can’t wait for someone to ask him about the case at a rally or something. He won’t be able to help himself.
He knows very well how profitable being a victim can be and must think that that’s why anyone is a victim. They don’t win cases (because Trump hasn’t ever really had a case), they settle out of court or gain from the sympathy of others.
The sheer speed at which the jury came to this determination is a really good sign that everyone on the jury was like “fuck this dude in particular”. Not only that, what I think was hilarious was that Trump’s testimony about his valuation in his NY civil trail was submitted and accepted as evidence for the determination on this fine. Like literally some Loony Toons Wile E. Coyote exploding in your face kind of thing.
This was such a massive L for Trump’s legal team that I believe the correct lawyer term is HA HA HA HAHAH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA!!
I swear, I’m just waiting for what creative backhoing their graves Trump’s team will be doing in the appeals.
What’s that saying? “Speech is free. Lies are expensive.”
“Speech is free. Lies are expensive.”
I’m gonna go ahead and borrow this, and then save it for later.
I, on the other hand, will outright steat it. Thanks, tho.
I open my mouth and out pops something spiteful
Words are so cheap, but they can turn out expensive
Words like conviction can turn into a sentence
I believe the correct lawyer term is HA HA HA HAHAH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA!!
Lawyer here. Can confirm.
It’s great when lawyers use the old Latin phrase but you can still figure out what it means through context.
‘Speech is free, but lies you have to pay for.’ - Louis Tompros, lawyer with WilmerHale and lecturer at Harvard Law School.
I mean, throwing a tantrum and storming out of court is going to be seen as a sign of disrespect by any jury. I bet if there even was a Trump supporter in the jury they’d be turned off by his behaviour.
Wow, 3x the money in punitive damage. Imagine how bad it’d be if this country did anything but fine rich people for being evil…
I overshot the damages award in a previous comment I made. I thought it was going to be closer to $150 million, but $83 million is still substantial. Plus there is a strong likelihood E. Jean Carroll and Robbie Kaplan could sue Donald Trump for defamation again for all the things he posted during this trial.
I’d just love to see this snowball into an avalanche.
It’s already happening. He’s probably defaming her on Truth Social right now while OD’ing on McDonald’s.
He couldn’t shut up if his life depended on being quiet. I hope this drains his pockets until there’s nothing left.
I hope it’s draining Republican Party coffers, which it indirectly seems to be
Well he a billionaire so $83 million is a drop in the bucket. He’s probably got that much as change in the couch /s
“Well he a billionaire” [citation needed].
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And themselves! If they’re working on contingency they’ve got 8 figures coming their way too.
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I present to you the only proof that he’s a billionaire: He said so. That’s valid, right? Right? Guys? Anybody?
In the instance of the court setting damages, I’m happy to accept the highest valuation Trump has to offer
In late stage capitalism, having a billion and owing three billion means you in effect still have a billion.
It’s not like with normal people who have to subtract debt from assets and actually pay what we owe.
So yeah, he’s a billionaire in all ways that affect him and will be until he dies, which can’t happen soon enough.
83,000 would be a drop in the bucket. 83 million is more like a water bottle in a bucket.
Waiting for the SCOTUS to (again) reduce punitive damage limits in order to protect their special boy.
Historically, they HATE punitive civil damages and look for cases to cut them back. That’s where the current ~4x limit currently exists, which even in the State Farm decision was clearly flagged as toeing the line.
Just look at how little actual damage Exxon ever paid for the Valdez spill. Or McDonalds for the hot coffee. These punitive damages always have a habit of just evaporating after the headlines. Leaving the victim little better off than before.
I doubt that will happen. This is round two of defaming her; it’s already been established that he raped and defamed her, and it is glaringly obvious that he did it again (even before this verdict). His team will have to first appeal to the New York Court of Appeals, and it’s very unlikely that they’ll even hear it.
SCOTUS isn’t likely to do him a favor but virtue of the highest court in NY not hearing it and this being a very obvious case of repeat offense. They suck right now, and they’ve made some really awful arguments and rulings, but they haven’t exactly been a rubber stamp for Trump or Conservatives, either.
Thanks for the sanity check. I’m not lover of the current Court, but no, they’re not partisan (ruling for the GOP or Trump).
Been collecting cases to show this. Only been going a week so far:
They’re going for the big game, next up…
Chevron Doctrine.
It’s a civil case, unfortunately, so jail time was never an option. At the time the incident occurred, there was a five year statute of limitations, so Trump has never been charged criminally in the matter.
There’s something truly gross about a civil case being the only recourse for a heinous crime.
Fucking loser always loses.
He’s demonstrably the actual biggest loser in history, and he just got more loser-y folks… If any of you are starting to have your memories fade, here’s a quick refresher to read this morning and then copy and send to your aunt karen in Missouri.
- 0 re-elections won
- 1 term president
- 2 times impeached
- 3 marriages
- 4 inch lifts in his shoes
- 5 kids, from 3 different mothers
- 6 bankruptcies
- 7 US Capitol police suing him for Jan 6 terrorist insurrection and murder of police
- 8 trillion + dollars added to the US debt in a single term
- 9 trump lawyers sanctioned by federal judge for lying in frivolous election fraud lawsuits and ordered to pay defendant’s legal fees
- 10 years that trump paid $0 in income taxes between 2000 and 2015. ($0 to cops, teachers, roads, prisons, disaster relief, etc)
- 11 trump associates charged with serious crimes over the past 5 years
- 12 million votes (the big lie) - trump claims he won the 2020 election by 12 million votes when in reality, he lost by about 7 million votes.
- 13 of August, 2021 - one of multiple days that trump was supposed to magically become president again according to Qanon and a crack addicted pillow salesman (the two most respected information sources in the gop)
- 14 year old girl in a youth choir that trump approached in 1992 to say, “Wow! Just think - in a couple years I’ll be dating you.”
- 15 originally confirmed cases of COVID in the US trump said would soon be, “down to close to zero.” followed by, “like a miracle, it will disappear.” - over 1,000,000 Americans have since died of COVID as it continues to kill years later.
- 16 years old - age of daughter ivanka when she hosted “miss teen” pageant and, according to long time trump associate Noel Casler, “trump called her over in the middle of a rehearsal and had her give him a lap dance while he leered at the crew.”
- 17 known trump and russia investigations from local, state and federal prosecutors
- 18 gop senators that ignored trump threats / warnings and supported Biden admin’s infrastructure bill.
- 19 as in COVID19 - trump was verified as the single largest source of disinformation on the virus, with a Cornell study claiming that 38% of the “misinformation conversation” originated with trump
- 20 the day in January, 2021, when Biden was sworn in despite trump inciting a violent insurrection to stop election verification at the US Capitol.
- 21 gun salute that trump ordered for himself when he left office after a humiliating defeat, even though he never served in the military, famously called military members “losers” and “suckers” and actively avoided the draft with a cowardly “bone spurs” excuse.
- 22 date in August, 2021, when Alabama hate rally crowd booed trump for finally saying people should get vaccinated, only after 700,000 Americans have died due mostly to his failure as president
- 23 as in wrestlemania 23 in 2007 where trump, a cartoon level failure with no other prospects, participated in a fake bet that a proxy wrestler would win a fake fight on his behalf or he would shave his wig and hair plugs off.
- 24 day in August, 2021, when trump actually filed a lawsuit in Florida court against YouTube, a private company, demanding that they reinstate his YouTube channel like a desperate, irrelevant embarrassment with no platforms left to abuse.
- 25 plus credible sexual assault allegations against trump, spanning decades and with accusers starting as young as 13 years old at time of assault.
🎵 And a partridge in a pear treeeee 🎵
Holy shit that’s an incredible list. Amazing summation. Thanks.
He’s like an elite trailer park king of awfulness.
Some slight dissonance as you switch from “always loses” to “was president for 4 years”
Many people think he didn’t even want to win the first time around. Like the picture of his face when he found out, etc.
So maybe he actually lost that election vs his expectations.
losing the popular vote still counts
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83 - million dollars Trump has to pay to E. Jean Carrol for defamation.
91 - indictments
At least fix the markdown ffs
Start the clock… how long until he fucks up this ruling too?
Are we using American time with Scaramuccis or British time with Lettuces?
The Liz Truss lettuce is tricky because while the lettuce only lasted 6 days, they didn’t start counting until 14/10/22 when she had been sworn in on 6/9/22.
Technically a Mooch (11 or 10 days) is longer than a lettuce, but the lettuce measurement was artificially shortened. ;)
Both are still longer than a Brittany Spears marriage at 55 hours.
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Planck time
I’d be fine if he keeps doing this and Carroll just bleeds him and his supporters dry and she becomes mega rich
She will become… maga rich
As soon as he is president again, he will just change laws.
Punitive damages are capped under a million anyways
Not in this case they aren’t:
“The award included $11 million for damage to Carroll’s reputation, $7.3 million for emotional harm and other damages, and $65 million in punitive damages.”
Just like Guiliani’s case:
“There was an audible gasp in the courtroom when the jury foreperson read aloud the $75 million award in punitive damages for the women. Moss and Freeman were each awarded another roughly $36 million in other damages.”
Tell that to the judge
That depends on the circumstances of the case. In the case of certain federal crimes, murder, rape, and certain types of arson being a nonexhausive list, there’s no cap.
IANAL, but the ideas of Molon Labe, and FAFO are written into federal law, in multiple areas
Edit: obviously this comment is talking about the US
…obviously not.
He wouldn’t have to pay anything if he could have kept his little anus mouth shut.
I give it less than a day before he defames her again.
He probably already has, but I refuse to go to his sewer of a Twitter clone to see.
Oh my god his mouth actually DOES look like a butthole!
Thank you for allowing my eyes to experience trauma in a whole new way today
What an absolute miserable day too have eyes.
He’ll pay as much as Alex Jones has. Jack shit. Unless the court can forcibly remove the funds from their accounts or put them in prison until they pay, these fucks will do nothing.
Yeah, he’s well-known as a deadbeat.
Unless the court can forcibly remove the funds from their accounts
Yes, the courts can and absolutely will, though not in this case, because he’s going to cough up the cash quickly (well as quickly as he can sell some stuff because there’s no way he has that much in liquid assets).
I want her to be able to put liens on all his properties. I doubt that can happen but it would be glorious.
It’s complete insanity that neither party is using this case against Trump during the primaries. Especially Haley, it’s a gift wrapped opportunity for her to score points on Trump and she completely ignores it. Her campaign was a lost cause from the start but none of the Republican candidates have acted like they are even trying.
Let me get this straight: you think the
grab em by the pussy
crowd is gonna give a flying shit?!?
Not enough lib owning to interest those chucklefucks
Maybe not the moonshine-addled MAGA crowd, but there are plenty of faux Republicans (centrists) who may.
Erm, Haley is using this for her campaign:
“Donald Trump wants to be the presumptive Republican nominee and we’re talking about $83 million in damages. We’re not talking about fixing the border. We’re not talking about tackling inflation,” Haley said in a post on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter. “America can do better than Donald Trump and Joe Biden.”
Source: https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4432630-haley-trump-defamation-verdict-america-can-do-better/
She’s not wrong that we can do better.
She’s just wrong in assuming she is better.
I mean, I certainly don’t intended to vote for her over Biden, even considering my distaste for Biden, but I would say she is better than Trump from what I’ve seen. She seems more like “regular” republican evil primarily dangerous due to harmful policies, which is still plenty bad to be fair, but I don’t expect we’d be as likely to have her try a coup should she lose an election.
I’d take her over Trump for sure.
But Biden over her, and like, fucking any other Democrat over Biden.
But this is where we’re at, so I guess I’ll fall in line.
I think this is my favorite dig on it
“If your opponent is of choleric temper, seek to irritate him…”
-Sun Tzu
They don’t know about it. Legit know someone that doesn’t know all the legal issues trump is currently going through. Lots of “if he committed a crime why hasn’t he been charged?” It was a bit surreal. All the witch hunt talk has saturated the conversation so they don’t even know official proceedings are fully underway. They think because he hasn’t actually paid the damages to E Jean Carrol it means he wasn’t found “guilty” (because they don’t understand the nuance between civil and criminal).
You think any news station Haley watches is even talking about this?
Conservatives live in a bubble these days 100%.
Any time they step outside of it the liberal “slant” of reality slaps them in the face.
You know things like being forced to acknowledge and respect LGBTQ+ people…
And ruin her future chances at getting elected in the
republicanTrumpican party?
(In Nelson’s voice) “HA-HA!”
Honestly though, has trump ever paid anyone anything, like ever??
I hope this goes on forever: he keeps defaming, she keeps sueing. Cause we all know this fat turd wont keep his mouth shut.
He’s keeping it shut so far this time. This fine is enough to hurt.
God sent Trump… to rape women and harass them relentlessly while encouraging others to threaten their lives. God be praised. Praise be to the rapist messiah.
Lol get fucked, loser
Stop being so mean!
What is that pic from? It’s the only time I’ve ever seen him look human.
Probably AI generated
Can we start a pool on when/if he actually pays?
He already paid the previous $5 million. Technically it’s in an escrow pending appeal, so Carroll doesn’t have it yet. But regardless, Trump is out $5 million.
Now Trump has four choices:
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Pay the $83 million to Carroll
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File an appeal, which means either paying $83 million into an escrow account or putting a lien on his properties and getting a bank to pay $83 million into an escrow account. Either way, Carroll gets the money as soon as she wins the appeal
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Do nothing. This is the worst option, because after 30 days Carroll’s lawyers would start choosing Trump properties to auction off and/or directly withdrawing money from his bank accounts.
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Declare bankruptcy. This could introduce a delay, but it will inevitably result in Trump properties being auctioned off.
Option 3 doesn’t seem to be working for Alex Jones’s creditors.
He chose option 4, and his estate is facing liquidation.
Wouldn’t New York have a lien on most of his properties with their fraud case?
I guess he will likely will try to appeal the amount and leverage another lein onto his properties. He could also use his grift money from the PAC’s to pay into the escrow.
Of course his appeal will go swimmingly when he defames her again in 3… 2… 1…
He can’t appeal the amount. He has to put the amount into escrow before he can appeal. That’s standard practice for courts, so that people don’t try to weasel out of paying. Trump isn’t the first person to lose a big lawsuit…
If all of Trump’s properties are under lien and he has nothing left in his bank accounts, then that leaves option 4.
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I’ll bet it all on never.
Carroll may not be paid for years if Trump strings out the appeals. But to appeal, he has to either pay the entire award to the court first, or he can use an appeal bond - assuming any financial institution will give him one. His credit rating is questionable with all these trials hanging over his head. $83 million here, maybe $370 million there, unknown amounts in the documents and vote tampering cases. And nobody is actually sure how much he’s worth. The Trump brand is damaged goods.
He’s under a financial microscope at the moment. He can’t reassign any assets until the two civil trials are completed and paid. Whether Carroll sees the entire award depends on the NY fraud outcome and what Trump’s assets are really worth. Maybe his cracker jack attorney will miss the 2 week appeal deadline, allowing Carroll to seize his liquid assets and put liens on Trump’s real estate holdings.
Is it considered paying if it’s forcefully garnished?
