When this instance first started, I don’t think it was fully anticipated how large it would get. The place where this instance was when I first stepped up as admin was wholly unsustainable long term. There was little direction as to what the instance’s intentions as a website were, and the specific intentions it seemed to lean towards (being a sort of reddit 2.0) is not something we have the ability to handle. Neither monetarily nor legally.
The expectations that this instance specifically would be replacing reddit nsfw content entirely is not realistic, and the expectations that have been had for what all of lemmy is capable of has been much higher than what the backend side of things is at right now. Rome was not built in a day, and the same is true for communities of this nature. We are utilizing a platform based on a philosophy that hasn’t been widely used outside of email since the early Internet, while now having to work the laws and limitations that the current Internet now presents as well. It’s an experiment, and just like all other communities we have made mistakes and are trying our best while figuring this out together. This is not a business, we are not shareholders, we are simply passionate volunteers.
Right now, our team has been paying attention to concerns and feedback that have been raised. We are currently actively engaged in a discussion of what the next steps are from here. My hasty implementation of the current restrictive content policy was not something to do long term but an attempt to reign in a community with what felt to have little restrictions and many issues popping up. There is a lot that goes on behind the scenes of managing a community like this. The current policy as it stands right now, has been a band aid while we discuss further how to move forward. And we have been.
And thankfully we have a much bigger back-end team than before. What has helped the most to provide insight is that we have a back-end team member who has active experience in hosting adult websites within the legal span of the law. We also have backend team members who are helping to build mod tools not just for lemmyNSFW but with active collaboration with others across instances as well.
As we have discussed rule changes and throwing things at the wall, our biggest aspect has been determining if we are on the same page as a team. Unfortunately, a now previous back-end team member decided that he was not. And that’s ok. However last night, instead of moving forward and deciding that our ethos as a team moving forward isn’t for them there was a post that was made that compiled our original rough draft for new content guidelines and attempted to pass them off as that is going to be our full go to as a community. It isn’t. We are discussing things and hashing things out as a team still but have made significant progress moving beyond what was discussed. When changes occur, we will make a post clarifying such changes. We ask for patience, please.
Just to be clear it was not “the first rough draft” it was what you guys said was “close to the final version” and you had everyone vote on weather or not it could get posted.
Anyway, I can’t actually delete the saucnaobots account, as the delete function doesn’t seem to work currently…
That’s not what the vote was for. It was in regard to discussion if we on the same page what the community core goals should be. The rule discussion was simply a draft, and everyone was adamantly opposed to a majority of the rules at their extremes. We wanted to have the discussion rolling. The photo ID discussion and sourcing rule was killed immediately.
Regardless, I’m not doing this here nor elaborating further. I will delete your bot account as that is what you have expressed.
That’s not true, and I still have chat logs and a copy fo the Google drive file.
I have no intention of leaking it, but I don’t think it’s the best sign that you feel like openly lying to the comunity about what the vote was
I truly don’t understand why you are intent on escalating things. When you fully disengaged people expressed them being against the changes as well, even before as well. The discussion of IDs and sourcing was adamantly opposed, with a major backend member expressing distinctly the harm forced IDs would cause within the community.
As an outsider, the admins look like they’re in the wrong here. You especially. You got the whistle blown on you, and you’re crying about it.
or someone decided to stab them in the back after appearing cordial to working together and eventually leaving on what seemed like good terms.
we do not have enough evidence to condemn ether party ether the admins need to act (e.g. ) or the person or admins need to come forth with evidence. so maybe keep the torches unlit for a bit longer.
in short, we have no solid evidence that they actually got called out, or back stabbed. lets see what the next move is first
Well one side presented evidence, the other side banned them, deleted it, and said it was bad form, then made a post about their commitment to some transparency.
there was no evidence only allegations (as in the post only had text explaining what the admins were doing before they left chat, no images) in the initial post, the person says they have evidence but does not want to present for whatever reason from above, and as for deleting the only way i have verified that escapes the modlog is the user deleting the post (since i have not been able to get solid info on if a post purge reports to the modlog yet) and the admins say both parties were in bad form for the actions they took with padded posting the allegations and them acting the way they did toward the post with the ridiculous ban. this is all we have as of right now.
and realize that as someone that does not know the admins at all, i dont trust them either but beyond trying to look out for the health of the server and perhaps going a bit harsh on immidate rules they havent been overly adversarial to the community. thus i feel that till there is evidence or actions that say otherwise i dont think we should condemn them to being guilty on hearsay.
about the only thing we could condemn someone for is the unprofessionalism of an admin and the method in witch someone was banned.
tl;dr: at this point it is hearsay till somone makes a move, so it might be best to wait and see what comes out in the wash. the only thing someone did that was factually wrong was ban someone unprofessionally. also, do post purging from admin get recorded in the modlog?
Yeah, but you still put it on the table before killing it.
the photo ID descussion does have legal ramifications depending on certian places in the world, though so it should atleast be talked about to some degree, and i do agree with the point that with lemmy as immature as it is (as a code base) would be dangerous to the users to implement haphazardly.
this being said at this point it is a he said she said debate. take your side i guess, though either someone needs to come forward with evidence or some action (e.g. posting these new rules), there is not much to go on, so maybe think before you leap.
I agree, hence why it was scrapped. Full stop. Limeey specifically threatened to leave the project over it as it would put women on our site in danger of blackmail. We just wanted to get the ball rolling on discussing addressing our issues. It’s immensely disappointing to witness padded decided to try and sabotage this entire project after I truly did think we parted amicably. Those rules were a mish mosh of things to figure out what might stick, it was a draft and not set in stone.
Transparency. Lol.
I’m not engaging in someone who is clearly trying to escalate things further, specifically related to padded.
I’m going to make a top level post to this, rather than reply here.