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    The shopping cart is the ultimate litmus test for whether a person is capable of self-governing. To return the shopping cart is an easy, convenient task and one which we all recognize as the correct, appropriate thing to do. To return the shopping cart is objectively right. There are no situations other than dire emergencies in which a person is not able to return their cart. Simultaneously, it is not illegal to abandon your shopping cart. Therefore the shopping cart presents itself as the apex example of whether a person will do what is right without being forced to do it. No one will punish you for not returning the shopping cart, no one will fine you or kill you for not returning the shopping cart, you gain nothing by returning the shopping cart. You must return the shopping cart out of the goodness of your own heart. You must return the shopping cart because it is the right thing to do. Because it is correct.

    A person who is unable to do this is no better than an animal, an absolute savage who can only be made to do what is right by threatening them with a law and the force that stands behind it. The Shopping Cart is what determines whether a person is a good or bad member of society.

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      3511 months ago

      Personally I think shopping carts are the penultimate litmus test. Returning a shopping cart requires effort, albeit a miniscule amount of effort. The ultimate litmus test is litering. It requires exactly zero effort to not throw your trash on the ground or out your car window. To me, littering practically screams, “I don’t give a shit about anyone but myself. I have the self control of a toddler at bed time and I want everyone to know it which is why I throw my shit on the ground like a total fucktard.”

      I’m not really a confrontational person but I have rolled down my window and yelled at people for throwing their cigarette butts on the ground. You would think some people were raised in a goddamn barn.

      I may feel a little strongly about this issue.

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        But there is a penalty for littering. Some people might refrain from littering not because it’s the right thing to do, but because they don’t want a fine.

        The lack of repercussions for being a scumbag and abandoning your cart is what makes it a good test.

      • @[email protected]
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        If you’re offended by a cigarette butt on the ground, holy fuck, you should have been around in the 70s. We have come so far and so fast.

        When I was a kid, chunking your fast-food trash, any trash, out the window was perfectly normal. The sides of highways were covered in trash.

        Further to go, of course, but I’ve seen solid progress.

    • Victor
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      I live in Sweden; rarely do I ever see a shopping cart just sitting in the parking lot. Can’t remember a time in the last decade.

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          You think so? Are Americans really more lazy/inconsiderate people? Some other reason why this might be more common there?

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            Are Americans really more lazy/inconsiderate people?

            American here. The answer is emphatically “yes”.

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            I dont think so. It’s just that I’ve been in several EU countries, and Ive never encountered this issue here.

            I think the real reason might be that majority if not all supermarkets require coins to unlock the shopping cart.

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              Sorry, I’ve become confused about what you mean by “here” or “there”, and where you are based.

              You mean coins are required in America? Because not in Sweden. They used to be, like 20-15 years ago. But they removed that. Not sure if there was a law that came into effect or something but… not anymore with the coins. Carts are free to take into the store without coins. Still, everyone returns them.

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                I still do it without coins because that’s what I’ve done in my entire life. Like, not returning the cart never even entered my mind as a possibility (it’s still not one).

                I’ve seen some un returned carts sporadically, but I’ve always assumed that there was some emergency.

                On the Internet however? I’ve seen people argue that not returning carts is good for the economy because there’s people whose job is to return those, and if we did return the carts they would lose their job. Which is… Stupid to say the least.

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                  Right, let’s all become murderers so we can create homicide detective jobs… Makes perfect sense. 🙃🙄 Very silly argument indeed.

                  Sometimes I just feel like people like to argue for the sake of arguing. Or that they don’t fully understand what they are saying.

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            Mostly Americans who don’t travel say this because they haven’t experienced lazy people in other countries. I’ve seen plenty of dumping of trash, destruction of natural places, etc in other countries.

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              Probably more in the continental Europe, right? Or further east? I feel like Scandinavian people are quite clean and take responsibility for trash. We have a good community system as well I think. Garbage is collected and disposed.

              I dunno. Sometimes it bothers me how people don’t sort their trash correctly in the correct bins, like how hard is that? But at least they bring it there, right? 🤷‍♂️

              • CashewNut 🏴󠁢󠁥󠁧󠁿
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                Scandinavian people are quite clean

                HA! The Norwegians have terrible air quality because their mountains clog smoke in valleys. I noticed this when looking up the UKs and spotted my English city had better air quality than lots of Norway. Swedish hobgoblin motherfuckers.

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                  I wouldn’t associate air quality with the people being responsible with their trash or returning their shopping carts lol. Maybe I should? 😆

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            We have absolutely enormous parking lots, and yeah, Americans are lazy and have an abundance of food. Maybe not more inconsiderate, but Hanlon’s Razor comes into play here. If you don’t believe me, just go to any Golden Corral. There absolutely will be multiple families in there where every single person weighs over 250 pounds, even the 8 year old kid.

            I remember a girl in highschool that was an exchange student from Botswana(?) was a bit upset that she was too fat to go home after living here for a school year. She’d gained like maybe 5 pounds. As far as all us Americans were concerned she finally didn’t look anorexic.

            My brothers and I would run around the parking lots gathering up all the carts rather than go into the store. This was especially fun at Aldi’s cause we got a quarter for each cart, and could get some candy.

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              Hanlon’s Razor comes into play here. If you don’t believe me

              No no, I already believe that. I think that’s one of the most soothing and comforting adages ever. I suppose it’s just not in many Americans’ culture to think in terms of “what good can I be to society during my lifetime/today/in this situation,” rather than “how can I help myself/make the smallest burden for myself, right now”. I dunno.

              I remember when I came to America for a few months, twice. I would gain a lot of weight both times. I thought it was quite frustrating. But cheap food really is bad for you.

              That’s a cute story about your brothers. ☺️

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        The existence of Aldi carts is proof that there are a lot of people out there with no ability to self govern

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        Aldi’s deal is more about getting people to return carts all the way to the front entrance so that they don’t have to pay employees to retrieve them from the corrals.

        Of course, with their parking lots being small to begin with, I’m not so sure it’d make much of a difference (see also: Lidl, with the same size parking lot but no 25¢ locking carts).

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      What you get when no one is in charge. There are always people who will abuse a common trust. People will litter within feet of a trashcan or leave a cart a few spaces from a cart corral.

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      It might be because I’ve been slamming IPAs this afternoon but that’s the best example of “it’s funny because it’s true” I’ve seen in a while.

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      There are no situations other than dire emergencies in which a person is not able to return their cart.

      wrong

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          I don’t take my ethical analysis from 4chan

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              this claim lacks both entrenchment and testability. anyone should doubt such a claim, but doubly so given it’s known source.

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                Your ability to interpret hyperbole apparently isn’t testable either given that it seems to be non-existent

    • Sybil
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      To return the shopping cart is an easy, convenient task and one which we all recognize as the correct, appropriate thing to do.

      wrong

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          i don’t take my ethical analysis from 4chan.

            • Sybil
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              this claim lacks both entrenchment and testability. anyone should doubt such a claim, but doubly so given it’s known source.

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                Your ability to interpret hyperbole apparently isn’t testable either given that it seems to be non-existent

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      You’re missing the crucial part where the store is for profit. There’s no reason to provide free labor to corporations.

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        Ladies and gentlemen, exhibit A

        Your misguided attempt at rebellion against capitalism in reality only hurts the grunt that has to pick up after your inconsiderate ass. You think your behavior actually costs the company anything? You think they hire an extra person because of people like you? No. You just make some poor sap at the bottom of the pecking order that much more miserable

        Congratulations on making yourself feel righteous at the expense of your fellow plebs

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          No, it’s a job and you’re an entitled prick who thinks it magically happens. Supermarkets where I live make billions. They can definitely afford to pay low skilled workers, of which there are plenty, to do this work.

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            you’re entirely correct, but what people are also missing is: if the weather’s nice, getting outside and pushing carts is a welcome break to the fluorescent lights and other drudgery of the store…
            anyone who’s ever actually worked a retail job will tell you that going outside every once in a while is pretty nice.
            picking up trash in the rain sucks, but pushing a cart is leisurely compared to whatever else they’ll have you do.

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              We’re definitely on the same side. What many people see as an inconvenience is a job for many. I once had a boss who’s first company was a trolley collection company, he started from nothing, worked hard and sold it for $1m in Australia.

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          Sounds like they need to unionize and get paid enough to make it worth it then. There’s no moral obligation to do labor for corporations for free or under paid.

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            Lol “moral obligation”. You don’t do it because you’re obligated. You do it because it’s nice for the worker, and for the other customers who don’t want to navigate around your abandoned cart

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                there’s no reason to provide free labor

                I never said I don’t return carts

                Me thinks there is a contradiction afoot

                Are your saying you provide free labor for no reason?

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                  Reading must be difficult for you. Yes I am saying I provide free labor for no reason.

                  Humans are stupid animals and we do a lot of things for no reason.

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                    If you’re taking an action, then there’s a reason for it, even if you don’t yourself comprehend it ;D

                    Also “I do random shit for no reason” may not be a great thing to admit. I point you back to the “Savage animal” bit in the original comment

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        If your cart catches a breeze and dents my car then you’re now providing profit to a body shop. Putting your cart away is about not costing random people hundreds of dollars. And it saves the teen making minimum wage from chasing it down in the snow.

        Fuck the grocery store, of course. But if you want to screw them over then there are better ways to do it, and with less collateral damage.

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          I never said I don’t return carts. I just don’t believe there’s a moral imperative to provide free labor for corporations