Move is to comply with state law passed by Governor Ron DeSantis that prohibits public funding of DEI programs
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Move is to comply with state law passed by Governor Ron DeSantis that prohibits public funding of DEI programs
Archived version: https://archive.ph/2NkY3
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Privilege is a thing you know. Being fair doesn’t mean letting the one with the headstart just run and wait for others to catch up.
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They’re not irrelevant though and thinking they are shows that you don’t understand the issue.
In the case of gender, DEI programs should actually be helping men at this point because women are attending and graduating college at a much higher rate than men. But the programs haven’t caught up.
As for race, imagine a foot race where a white runner and a black runner are competing. The white runner starts 50 feet ahead of the black runner because the white runner isn’t dealing with the effects of socal inequities (things such as school funding, quality of teachers, extracurricular activities availability, stable home life, jobs, etc). So a black student of equal talent, but worse grades on paper has had to work much harder than the white student to get ahead. DEI programs are trying to make up for the fact that a black student has had poorer access to proper education.
Because without DEI, those white kids who statically have access to better schools would always come out ahead when strictly comparing test scores.
These programs also affect white students in poverty by helping them out too.
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It’s not about someone coming last making first place. It’s about recognizing that grades and school performance is very much a function of the opportunities you’re afforded, the quality of education that’s available to you, and the support you receive. Hundreds of years of institutional oppression have prevented that kind of quality and support from reaching POC communities.
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Just go away. You’re either a troll or someone who is incapable of seeing beyond their little bubble.
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Grades aren’t the only thing that determine your potential. Being in a diverse school with others from different backgrounds helps expand your viewpoints and actually prepares you for a larger life after academia.
One of the many problems with our rural states and towns.
Of course not, but we’re more likely to put you on a Wheaties box over someone with similar results because you’ve overcome more adversity. It was more difficult for you. You achieved more.
We also might be more likely to start up a running program in your town, because clearly we’re missing out on great runners, who were never able to succeed because they were never able to get off the starting block.
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So, that’s the actual problem. If you don’t look at factors like wealth, race, primary language or gender, you can congratulate yourself in your process not being biased, but you will see biased results. Like it or not, people start in different places and face different obstacles, and the goal is to try to adjust for these so the results will be merit based or at least fair, and not racist or sexist.
If we’re playing baseball and I start off third base and score, is that the same merit as you getting up to bat, getting on base, working your way around the bases, and also scoring? Any coach would judge you to have shown higher merit despite our scores being the same
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The entire thing is based on their refusal to think anything other than the starting point is equal. When you base your view on that, everything they are crying about makes sense. It explains a lot. They think being gay or Trans is a choice too.
No, you even the field for everyone so that academic progress can happen based on talent and work.
Sure, but that isn’t going to happen overnight. School DEI programs are the best we have until schools are funded equally across the board. But that’s never going to happen, especially not if the Republicans get their way with Project 2025 and the school voucher program they want to implement.
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You’re very silly.
Guess we don’t fix racism with more racism. Meritocracy FTW. It is already illegal to discriminate by race, Federally. Smart people can come from any race.
If I am reading the source right, it is not stopping people from applying for jobs. It is getting rid of DEI departments. Which could or likely have white hires, too.
In Harvard, they were making up lies about Asian applicants and their characters in order to prop up black student’s lower scores via personality traits, which was well, DEI in action. This part did not make the news much.
This was found in the court case through discovery, everyone should read it. It was wild, and seemingly the main reason and drive why Affirmative Action was cancelled and overturned.
Road to hell paved with good intentions and all that jazz.
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It’s not about preferential treatment. Because if it was preferential treatment, well, white folks have had that for centuries.
It’s about leveling things up. Yes, smart people come from all backgrounds. But if that smart person has a cognitive burden of worrying about basic stuff that other smart people don’t have too, he/she will be at disadvantage when seeking opportunities to advance.
I’m not saying I’m an expert, and that you’re totally wrong and I’m totally right. It’s just that the topic is not that simple as black and white (heh.)
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Europe is not some utopia in which discrimination does not exist and everyone is equal.
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In which contexts? Because I’m sorry, you seem to be against affirmative action, and affirmative action definitely gives more advantages to minorities in the U.S. than Europe, which has none of that.
You’re now contradicting yourself. Is preferential treatment the problem or not? (and it’s spelled preferential with one f.)
So clearly you’re talking about something else. Please elaborate, if you’d like.
Stop lying, you know full well that’s not what’s happening
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Do you think that people’s behaviour is due to culture or genetics?
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Your theory does not account for systemic racism, history of oppression, and socio-economic disadvantages that minorities face in America.
If the only race who gets a fair shake in America is white people, albeit rich white people, then those will be the only ones to get into College based on meritocracy.
Why would it account for those things?
Maalus sees uni as a place to learn and expand human knowledge.
You see it as a tool of social and political change.
Both, actually. Genes and experiences are both responsible for elements inside human behaviour.
What a giant load of right wing bullshit you’re spewing.
You know full well what’s wrong with this, stop lying, stop pretending
I’m okay with them considering things other than strictly academics. It should be up to the uni to decide what kind of institution they want to be.
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If someone wants to doom their university, I wouldn’t support using force to stop them. I don’t think that means I’m okay with it.
I feel like there’s a limit in there somewhere that I’d change from meh to “fuck those guys” on the racism front. A degree from a uni that doesn’t focus on academics should warrant a reduction in the perceived value of their degrees.
I kind of think we’ve been distracted here, though. We’re not talking about DEI or the ideologies that drive their activities. We’re talking about AA. You can have AA policies without DEI staff or their question begging theories.
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I was referring to any amount of racism from 0-100. I’d just consider them all pieces of shit at 100 and only a little misled towards the other end.
I guess I feel like I’m willing to let peeps experiment a bit with their own shit so we can see the outcome. When what you’re doing leads to more kids failing, that’s obviously a bad policy.
I mostly take issue with the ideology that leads us to use AA that harms pretty much everyone, including the people it’s designed to help.
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In state funded schools I agree. Oh. That’s the context of this post and I should have been more clear on that. For private institutions I don’t think it matters much.
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