The US Department of Justice and 16 state and district attorneys general accused Apple of operating an illegal monopoly in the smartphone market in a new antitrust lawsuit. The DOJ and states are accusing Apple of driving up prices for consumers and developers at the expense of making users more reliant on its iPhones.

    • @[email protected]
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      693 months ago

      The anti-trust pressure has increased with this administration. Lina Kahn has been effective at the FTC in bringing a number of cases forward.

      https://www.thebignewsletter.com/ is a very well executed newsletter with more detailed information regarding anti-trust if you’re interested.

      • @[email protected]
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        Yeah and hasn’t she lost pretty much every case she’s brought forward? She failed big fucking time with the Microsoft/Activision merger even though all the antitrust evidence was right in front of her nose. I’m glad the FTC is trying, because they’re actually doing their job, but they’re doing an awful job when it comes to actually being in court and proving their case.

        People shit on Sony for trying to block the merger, but they absolutely were right for trying to block it and now games like starfield, the new Indiana Jones, and probably more in the future will be deliberately left off the PlayStation platform altogether. But that’s all okay right? Because now you get call of duty on gamepass!!! RIGHT???

        • anon6789
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          273 months ago

          I see a bunch of complaints against Kahn, but I haven’t been able to find articles on what she did that someone else would have done to be more effective. I don’t normally follow this type of news, so if anyone can point me to some articles, I’d appreciate it.

          I’ve heard a few interviews with Kahn, and she sounds like someone looking to make a difference, so I’d like to cheer her on, but if she’s not the right person for the job, it’d be nice to see some examples why. I’d think much could go on to make her lose without it necessarily being due to her actions or inactions.

          • @[email protected]
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            https://www.law.com/corpcounsel/2023/07/18/lina-khans-antitrust-losses-cast-doubt-on-her-sue-dont-settle-philosophy/?slreturn=20240221150002 apparently she’s just taking the sledgehammer approach of suing companies instead of working with them to understand their motives and to make reasonable concessions that will benefit everyone. If those concession discussions fail then you sue and have more leverage in your case I guess. Either way, it’s a fair criticism IMO, and for the record I’m not really a right leaning individual, I just think she’s jumping into lawsuits without doing her homework first.

            • anon6789
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              83 months ago

              Dang paywall. That’s at least something I can look into more directly though, so thank you.

              Lemmy makes me feel right wing anymore. I think the general news and politics here might be worse than Reddit, which is a shame. There’s a lot of things I’d like to learn or discuss, but half the threads might as well be bizarro MAGA rallies with how cultish they get.

              I just came back to this post from one on Angela Chao, and just like the last one about that story, people are cheering on this lady’s death because they don’t like her brother-in-law. I haven’t been able to find anything about Angela that would indicate she had it coming, but that isn’t stopping anyone. If people have valid criticism of a person or idea, share it. Don’t just keep shouting “such-and-such bad!” over and over.

              • @[email protected]
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                73 months ago

                It didn’t used to seem that way but some of the discussions I’ve had here are actually worse than reddit recently. Take a discussion about Instagram drug sale spammers. I mean, people selling likely counterfeit “xanax” etc to anyone on social media by spamming. Who would stand up for these scumbags? People on Lemmy, apparently, who consider themselves leftists and communicate like sophomoric 19 year olds. “Drugs should be legalized anyway!” Well, that’s not going to make it legal or safe for addictive drugs to be sold on social media and uh, Xanax is legal. I found discussion of the same article on Hacker News and the difference in quality of comments was vast.

                • anon6789
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                  73 months ago

                  Lol that’s exactly the stuff I mean. Legalize drugs, sure. Make them safe and take the business from cartels. Legalize anonymous strangers selling random chemicals, nah.

                  It was good maybe the first 3 months of the Great Migration, then had a sharp decline. Those first few months were great.

                  I’m not here for anyone’s militant views on politics, software licensing, diet, or religion. I just tend to avoid most comment sections anymore.

              • @[email protected]
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                63 months ago

                It’s getting worse and worse, completely agree. The reasonable people are getting pushed out by brainless zombies, just like on Twitter or something.

                • anon6789
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                  33 months ago

                  We need to work more on getting in the first few comments before they get there. If I come in and hot takes are all I find, I just move on. I’m sure others do the same.

          • @[email protected]
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            13 months ago

            Why are so many people misspelling her surname? Or is the URL to the news article wrong?

            • anon6789
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              13 months ago

              I looked up the difference, and it seems that the majority of us have probably been raised in a place where Kahn is the more common spelling we’d encounter.

        • @NotAGuyInAHat
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          103 months ago

          I mean the Activision case was a bad case though. Microsoft bought their way into… Third place, it’s not enough to need anti trust. Furthermore, Starfield and Indy were already going to be exclusives, those are Bethesda and that acquisition was already long since completed. Plus, it’s not like that’s the invention of exclusives. Sony isn’t exactly pumping over their games to Xbox here.

          • @[email protected]
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            13 months ago

            Hear me out though: this is a bad case too.

            Even if it somehow was very solid, I’m sure it’ll play well on the news that the extremely popular American smartphone manufacturer is being targeted for winning too hard so poor Samsung can have a little piece of the pie too!

            • @NotAGuyInAHat
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              13 months ago

              I’m willing to hear you out, sure. On what grounds is this a bad case?

              • @[email protected]
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                13 months ago

                The filing is filled with stuff like this (and I’m paraphrasing here):

                Apple sells smartphones for up to $1,699 and makes a huge margin!

                The easy counterargument to that is that their biggest competitor, Samsung, sells their top end phone for $1,659. It seems like a crazy claim, how could Apple be charging so much, right? But that’s the norm in the market.

                The filing is filled with goofy stuff like that. I’m not cherry picking for the dumbest arguments, just for the shortest and easiest to understand one that’s near the front so you won’t have to read far in to check it for yourself. It is a nearly 90 page court filing after all.

                • @NotAGuyInAHat
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                  13 months ago

                  Yep that’s 100% a bogus/bad claim. Do you think that these bad claims will invalidate their case though? I’ve seen several mentions that seem to have grounds. Restrictions on app store, digital wallets and hardware all seem problematic from a surface level read. Thoughts?

                  • @[email protected]
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                    13 months ago

                    So let’s say the specific restrictions are unique to apple (there’s a good argument that they’re not, but for the sake of making the best case possible let’s assume they are), the state would still need to prove that they amounted to creation of monopoly conditions in apples favor in the smartphone market.

                    That’s the language they’re using.

                    It doesn’t seem like an argument that can be won.

                    Take the messaging section, I’m paraphrasing again:

                    Apple doesn’t make cross platform imessage applications even though it would help them (the filing does not make clear how it would help apple to do this)

                    Later in the same section

                    direct quote from apple c-suite that “making imessage available on other platforms would harm us”

                    So which is it? Is apple making an unprofitable mistake by not providing a cross platform imessage implementation or are they greedily and monopolistically preventing that same to great profit? It literally can’t be both.

                    There are a bunch of quotes in that section which do a great job of showing how apple executives want to make the most money for the company, but not a lot that tie that desire into monopolistic control over the smartphone market.

                    It really seems like a case they’re not trying to win. I don’t know what the play is, but this can’t be the best the doj can do…

        • @[email protected]
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          13 months ago

          The content is good, so I support the content.

          If all we ever do is hold purity contests over secondary and tertiary concerns, like the platform, we’ll never accomplish anything.

          • Kairos
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            13 months ago

            I didn’t say anything about the content. Just… Like… Substack 🙄

    • deweydecibel
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      313 months ago

      I’m willing to take the movement as a good sign. The fact that we haven’t even been talking about this shit for decades now was just depressing. It’s long past time for this shit, and the ball needs to get rolling.

      • @[email protected]
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        There’s a lot of corporate competitive behavior that’s ok, when you’re one of many, that isn’t anymore when you dominate the market.

        • Apple hasn’t dominated US cell phone market for decades yet
        • the same behavior is perfectly legit for laptops, because Apple is a small player in that market
        • Smartwatches are interesting - I don’t know the dynamics of that market but I don’t know anyone whose smartwatch is not Apple
        • Kairos
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          23 months ago
          • Phones haven’t been around for decades and that’s a dumb point
          • They actually don’t do the same behavior on macs because it’s illegal
          • Thank you for demonstrating the case’s point.
        • JJROKCZ
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          13 months ago

          Apple has dominated the smartphone market since the iPhone 5 in the us. I’ve managed my works mdm tool for a decade and never have I seen the android collective share surpass 10% in the pie chart it shows me of versions

          • @[email protected]
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            13 months ago

            Looks like the stats are all over the place but iPhones are about 50% of US market ± 10%. Neither you nor I are representative

            • JJROKCZ
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              13 months ago

              Very true, mine is just anecdotal evidence in the end, no matter how much it is

    • MedicsOfAnarchy
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      143 months ago

      Damn, I am stealing this. Too many good uses:

      “She lives in a hopium den”

      “Hopium addict”

      “Hopium of the masses”

    • @[email protected]
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      43 months ago

      We can hope. Happy to take a chunk out of Apple as they’re often given a free pass as their marketing and branding is so good that customers lap it up.