Pretty fucking depressing that the anti fascism vote is also the keep supporting genocide vote. It’s a trolley problem but one track only has foreigners tied to it so we’re supposed to cheer for that option I guess
One track has Palestinians tied to it, the other track has more Palestinians tied to it, Ukrainians and probably others tied to it, AND American minorities by the bushel.
Yeah wooooo go Biden so proud 🤣 vote democrat, we will probably be responsible for less death and suffering. New slogan right there. “SLIGHTLY! LESS! DEATH!”
It’s a complicated situation though golly who knows how to fix this problem
We have to find the choice that is most achievable and least damaging.
The smart people know that. Only problem is that not all of the people are smart and they all have the same voting power
I’m not saying it’s a bad decision given the situation. I’m saying the situation is dog shit and perhaps will come back to bite us in the ass when “slightly less death!” isn’t the biggest motivation to get out and vote.
I would be more sympathetic to your point if Biden couldn’t stop supporting this immediately with relative ease. Most voters are against what Israel is doing and especially democrats. It’s not like it would hurt his election chances. It’s not like the protests this has inspired are a good look anyway.
I would stress that my original point about this polling was
Most voters are against what Israel is doing and especially democrats.
Which is true, as per the most recent poll.
63% of Democrats in November disapproved of Israel’s military action, yet, in December, 58% of Democrats still believed that US support for Israel was either appropriate or not enough
But yeah good point. People are fucking stupid.
But if your argument is that this is an easy win for Biden that he’s just not taking, I don’t think the evidence backs that up, as much as I wish it did.
I think opinion has clearly shifted, as shown by the declining support for Israel’s military action. Even the poll I cited is now months old. So it’s likely less support funding them now. But yeah we don’t know that so kind of a moot point.
But what is true is that people don’t like Biden’s handling of this issue (shown by polling), that people don’t like what Israel is doing (polling) and that supporting genocide is bad (hopefully common sense).
So I don’t know. Maybe condition aid on not committing fucking war crimes? I think in any case it’s clear voters are not happy about Israel’s actions and Biden’s support for it obviously makes it more difficult for people to support him. If we insist in sticking with the polling and not necessarily morals, he should at least be clear in his condemnation of what they are doing.
When the Democratic party’s strategists have decided that “you definitely don’t want the other guy voted in” in place of literally any other strategy is their best option, please explain to me why anyone further left of your centrism should believe that the administration will take another vote cast for them as anything but approval of the job they’ve done so far and an endorsement of more of the same.
On the flip side, to hold Biden himself accountable for the overreaction from University boards’ decisions on behalf of their corporate masters (donors, if that wasn’t clear), or responsible for the large number of Representatives and Senators making and voting for policy with their heads up their own or others’ asses, when he has been caught on the hot mic disparaging Netanyahu for how Israel is conducting itself is holding the wrong person accountable.
I get where they’re coming from. I get it on a level you clearly don’t because you have proven time and again that you have little capacity to sympathize with those who are clearly tired of voting for the “least damaging option”. Take a break and let someone else debate with them, because the more you criticize the further you’ll solidify their position.
Pretty fucking depressing that the anti fascism vote is also the keep supporting genocide vote. It’s a trolley problem but one track only has foreigners tied to it so we’re supposed to cheer for that option I guess
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Yeah wooooo go Biden so proud 🤣 vote democrat, we will probably be responsible for less death and suffering. New slogan right there. “SLIGHTLY! LESS! DEATH!”
It’s a complicated situation though golly who knows how to fix this problem
The smart people know that. Only problem is that not all of the people are smart and they all have the same voting power
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I’m not saying it’s a bad decision given the situation. I’m saying the situation is dog shit and perhaps will come back to bite us in the ass when “slightly less death!” isn’t the biggest motivation to get out and vote.
I would be more sympathetic to your point if Biden couldn’t stop supporting this immediately with relative ease. Most voters are against what Israel is doing and especially democrats. It’s not like it would hurt his election chances. It’s not like the protests this has inspired are a good look anyway.
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More recent poll:
https://news.gallup.com/poll/642695/majority-disapprove-israeli-action-gaza.aspx
Overall 55% disapprove of Israel’s actions and only 36% approve, plus
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I would stress that my original point about this polling was
Which is true, as per the most recent poll.
But yeah good point. People are fucking stupid.
I think opinion has clearly shifted, as shown by the declining support for Israel’s military action. Even the poll I cited is now months old. So it’s likely less support funding them now. But yeah we don’t know that so kind of a moot point.
But what is true is that people don’t like Biden’s handling of this issue (shown by polling), that people don’t like what Israel is doing (polling) and that supporting genocide is bad (hopefully common sense).
So I don’t know. Maybe condition aid on not committing fucking war crimes? I think in any case it’s clear voters are not happy about Israel’s actions and Biden’s support for it obviously makes it more difficult for people to support him. If we insist in sticking with the polling and not necessarily morals, he should at least be clear in his condemnation of what they are doing.
So that’s a yes?
So what you’re saying is American democracy should be ended?
Lmao… how did you infer that out of referencing Gallup poll results? Genuinely curious…
It’s the same track. You’ve worked very hard to eliminate any possible opposition to American fascism, and you’ve succeeded.
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When the Democratic party’s strategists have decided that “you definitely don’t want the other guy voted in” in place of literally any other strategy is their best option, please explain to me why anyone further left of your centrism should believe that the administration will take another vote cast for them as anything but approval of the job they’ve done so far and an endorsement of more of the same.
On the flip side, to hold Biden himself accountable for the overreaction from University boards’ decisions on behalf of their corporate masters (donors, if that wasn’t clear), or responsible for the large number of Representatives and Senators making and voting for policy with their heads up their own or others’ asses, when he has been caught on the hot mic disparaging Netanyahu for how Israel is conducting itself is holding the wrong person accountable.
I get where they’re coming from. I get it on a level you clearly don’t because you have proven time and again that you have little capacity to sympathize with those who are clearly tired of voting for the “least damaging option”. Take a break and let someone else debate with them, because the more you criticize the further you’ll solidify their position.
Okay, dad?
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“It’s the way we’ve always done it” isn’t a justification for continuing.
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It doesn’t have to be “everyone wins and no one gets hurt” in order to be better than supporting genocide.
You’re seriously casting “stop supporting genocide” as a pipe dream for people with unrealistic expectations.
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I’m still voting for Biden, just like I was last time you made this baseless accusation.
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My argument is that Biden should lose your vote by ceasing his support for genocide.
That’s because it’s not an anti fascism vote. It’s a “fascism, just not against me” vote