Just putting this up to contrast with this post and because Eli Valley is a great political cartoonist.

  • @natural_motions
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    Just a reminder: voting for the lesser of two evils has not ever resulted in the Democratic party stopping their march to the extreme right right alongside the GOP, to the point now that in order to vote for the Democratic nominee one must accept that their vote goes to supporting a genocide.

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      252 months ago

      Just a reminder: voting for the lesser of two evils has not ever resulted in the Democratic party stopping their march to the extreme right right alongside the GOP, to the point now that in order to vote for the Democratic nominee one must accept that their vote goes to supporting a genocide.

      “Their march to the extreme far right”

      Tell me you don’t know history, or remember even 10 years ago, without telling me you don’t know history or remember 10 years ago.

      • @natural_motions
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        62 months ago

        Ten years, why not twenty? I wonder how Biden voted on the Iraq war and invasion of Afghanistan?

        How long have we been voting for the technically less evil for now? And where are we at this exact moment? How many times were we all promised “Just vote fascist lite onnnnne more time and next election cycle will be better.”?

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          92 months ago

          Sure, why not twenty. Please compare the state of the Democratic Party in 2004 to today, and tell me which is more right-wing.

          • @natural_motions
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            Well, how right-wing is genocide compared to starting an unjustfied war?

            Do you actually think that somehow you’re going to convince people that we are both on the precipice of fascism but also the Democrats have gotten better at resisting fascism?

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          82 months ago

          Please compare the Democratic Party in 2024 to the following periods of the Democratic Party:

          2012

          2004

          1992

          1980

          1968

          1960

          1952

          Then, subsequently, trace their ‘march to the extreme far right’.

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            82 months ago

            Yes there was a massive Lurch right in the 90s. Since then the Democrats have waffled extremely hard. Flirting with moving back left slightly but often retracting back to their '90s positions. But there have been a few solid moves to the left in the last 20 years. Nowhere near enough of course. But some is always better than none.

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        62 months ago

        Yes, it does. It means you’re willing to put your name to what he does in office.

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            No one had to tell me it, it is self-evident. He’s the representative you choose and he’s going to absolutely 100% take your vote for him as vindication that supporting genocide is politically viable, which means Dems will keep fielding zionists and taking AIPAC money.

            That’s the consequences of your choice. You need to accept that, not try to pretend you still get to have sone kind of moral high ground.

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              Well, I don’t support either one of them but it’s very clear that Trump is the worse of the two options in the two party system. I did not choose him. I really think it’s moronic for randos on the internet to try to tell me what I support. It’s not a moral issue for me, it’s a logical one.

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                Voting for Biden is supporting him, yes. Sitting here arguing that people should vote for him is supporting him. You are a Biden supporter.

                Tell me, logically, what would convince democrats to stop supporting genocide?

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                  Again, voting for Biden is not supporting him. I’ll acknowledge that he is one of two shitty options, but my brain works well enough to recognize that in a two party system, we’re not going to have more than two options. That’s just math.

                  My memory works well enough to remember the Trump regime and its lasting impacts on our country. Not voting for Biden is an endorsement for further rollbacks to bodily autonomy, a greater division in wealth, the privatization of public services, religious indoctrination in schools, AND the continued genocide of Palestinians.

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                    There are three options, not two.

                    It honestly still sounds like cope to me. You’re voting for Biden and the Biden agenda, but somehow think that declaring that you are not supporting him absolves you of enabling him. Take ownership of your actions.

                    You’re not being honest with yourself because you like to believe you’re a moral person, but it turns out you are willing to cache in your morals out of fear. Which I guess tracks, cowardice and will lead to cowardly actions.

                    Tell yourself what you need to in order to sleep at night, but your unwillingness to truly resist is why the country continues on the track it has been on, why Democrats keep following the GOP to the right.

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          A person who doesn’t vote is more to blame than a person who votes for the less insane candidate. That’s logic 101.

          • @natural_motions
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            Who said anything about not voting? People should vote in every election they can.

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          That’s why I only ever write in my own name. It’s the only way to be sure my vote perfectly aligns with my morals.