• Flying Squid
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    Any moment now, the ‘don’t vote for Biden’ group will be in here telling us not to vote for Harris. And if it isn’t Harris, they’ll tell us not to vote for whoever it is.

    Anything but stop the dictator and his plan to commit genocide against Latinos and queer people.

    • Semi-Hemi-Lemmygod
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      1375 months ago

      Even if Trump wasn’t going to do awful things, I can’t stand his stupid face or his stupid voice or his stupid stupidity. That’s enough to vote for someone who’ll beat him.

    • @[email protected]
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      1075 months ago

      I didn’t want to believe it but they’re already in the comments. We need to be vocal. Kamala is a great candidate.

      • Baron Von J
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        ‘Beating the Republican Fascist agenda’ is a great candidate. I don’t really care how that is spelled on the ballot.

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          That’s my main deciding point, and why I’m happy Biden stepped down. I didn’t think he’d win the Rust Belt. Harris might.

          My main vote is “Not Trump’s Fascism.”

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            I will absolutely vote whoever is opposite of trump on the ticket. But a black woman winning the rust belt? That would be wild. I’m all for it, mind you, but that would be some crazy shit.

          • @[email protected]
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            35 months ago

            Trump kept climbing the polls in PA, which is the Keystone state of this election.

            I’m not sorry, and I will be here all night.

      • Flying Squid
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        525 months ago

        Of course they are. They started when it was just rumored that Biden would drop out.

        • @[email protected]
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          1125 months ago

          What the fuck are you talking about? When she was running for president in 2019, she released detailed plans about how she would legalize marijuana, abolish private prisons, and reform the carceral system.

          I get that you probably weren’t aware of her evolved stance on these things, but a single google search could have shown you that you were incorrect on every single point you made.

            • wanderingmagus
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              105 months ago

              If I could give you some kind of prize I would. Have a meaningless pixel trophy instead, and an upvote: 🏆

          • @[email protected]
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            45 months ago

            What the fuck are you talking about? When she was running for president in 2019, she released detailed plans about how she would legalize marijuana, abolish private prisons, and reform the carceral system.

            Has she done those things? (I sincerely don’t know.)

            I’ve heard that she’s revised her stances, but even in 2019 there was some question regarding the sincerity of her evolving viewpoints.

            We’re likely to get 8 years of her if she wins, so I think it’s entirely reasonable to want her to affirm her stances in some of these areas. We won’t be able to move any further left than she allows. Sure, she’s not Trump, and I’m going to vote for her. It would be nice to have hope she’ll do more than just move right more slowly than Trump though.

            She says very little, and nothing convincing, about some of the most serious charges against her, like that she fought hard to keep innocents in prison and failed to fight hard against corrupt cops.

            If elected president, Harris seems as likely as any of her Democratic rivals, and far more likely than Donald Trump, to pursue a criminal-justice-reform agenda that overlaps with policies I favor as a civil libertarian. And I do not hold it against Harris that as a municipal and state official she enforced many laws that I regard as unjust. All the candidates now running for president will, if elected, preside over the enforcement of some laws that they and I regard as unjust.

            But like her rivals, the reforms that Harris would sign into law as president would depend mostly on what Democrats in Congress could get to her desk. Far more important is how she would preside over a federal legal system and bureaucracy that is prone to frequent abuses. And her record casts significant doubts about whether she can be trusted to oversee federal law enforcement, the military, intelligence agencies, the detention of foreign prisoners, and more.

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              105 months ago

              I mean, she’ll have ample opportunity to expound on that. But prison reform and legalizing marijuana were platforms she ran on in 2019. I haven’t seen anything from her that would indicate she’s reversed her position since then.

        • @[email protected]
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          505 months ago

          https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/aug/01/were-tulsi-gabbards-attacks-kamala-harris-record-c/

          Harris “put over 1,500 people in jail for marijuana violations and then laughed about it when she was asked if she ever smoked marijuana.”

          Notably, the figures dropped dramatically during Harris’ tenure, from 817 marijuana-related admissions in her first year in office to 137 in her last.

          She laughed because it was funny and I’m tired of people telling me it’s not. 💥 🔫

          She’s been a prosecutor, senator, and now VP. She has the experience. She can speak in complete sentences. She is a neo-liberal but that was a given. All Democratic candidates since Clinton have been neo-liberals. The idea that Kamala is anti-progressive is false.

          • @[email protected]
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            Yeah it is ridiculous. Essentially “why didn’t you legalize marijuana when you were AG?” Because that job isn’t about changing the laws it’s about prosecuting the law.

            Bad enough SCOTUS is changing laws on a whim (instead of interpreting which is their actual job) we shouldn’t be expecting everyone on every level just disregard laws they disagree with. I agree that marijuana criminalization is stupid and should be repealed, but push for legislators to change the law rather than push for more people to ignore the law.

      • @[email protected]
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        15 months ago

        Of course they are. It’s infuriating. Even the “anyone but trump” idiots undermines confidence in Kamala.

      • @[email protected]
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        215 months ago

        Well VPs traditionally will say the things the President can’t say publicly for geopolitical reasons. Harris may have been saying the things the Biden was thinking but couldn’t directly say while actively negotiating with Netanyahu. Can’t be sure but it’s a more likely scenario than her going rogue against someone on the same ticket as her.

        Doesn’t matter now, but more for future reference. If a future President Harris isn’t saying what you want her to say on foreign policy issues but her VP is, you’ll know what’s up.

      • @[email protected]
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        175 months ago

        She’s one of the reasons if someone were to kill you they wouldn’t be able to use ‘i panicked’ as a defense.

        • @[email protected]
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          65 months ago

          Unless they’re a cop. Then it’s the defense they go to and can never be convicted under unless we have them on video calmly shooting the handcuffed guy in the back of the head.

          • @[email protected]
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            45 months ago

            And even then, bootlickers will be like “he was clearly reaching for the cop’s gun!”

        • @[email protected]
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          25 months ago

          She has a really checkered record wrt trans stuff altogether. I’m concerned.

          She’s better than Trump but a significant step down from Biden in terms of most of the things I care about which makes her a concerning pick, combined with the fact that she performs worse in polling (if that was the main concern). I hope I’m wrong but I’m concerned that this basically sealed the Dems’ loss.

          • @[email protected]
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            15 months ago

            Here is the internal polling that was released, this was before Biden resigned

            Through 7/21, Biden trailed Trump 46-44 nationally; Harris was ahead 48-46. Trump is stuck at a ceiling of 46. Harris gains from 3rd party/undecided voters.

            • Young voters (18-34) go from Biden 44-36 (+8) to Harris 57-37 (+20)
            • Independents go from Trump 48-32 (+16) to Trump 49-41 (+8)
            • Harris picks up 7pp among Black voters and 8pp among Hispanic voters, almost all from 3rd party/undecideds

            Source: https://x.com/DrewLinzer/status/1815491120677458288

    • dadarobot
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      Most of the biden haters i know on the left are upset about his support for israel. Harris has been much more critical of the genocide. We’ll just have to see.

      I didnt want to vote for biden, but was still going to vote blue no matter who. Im glad i dont have to vote for genocide anymore.

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      I may be a weirdo, but I was on the “I’d consider not voting for Biden.” but I’m currently more interested in Harris. Nowhere near as bad of a track record as Biden had. From being racist, to supporting rapists getting into the Supreme Court, to backing massive removal of constitutional rights.

      Harris’ record isn’t perfect, and while I’m in California, I don’t recall any bills she pushed/voted for as Senator that was anything as bad as the USA PATRIOT Act. I don’t like her record as our AG at all, but Senator is a different story.

      If she picks a good VP pick, I’d be down. I’m wanting maybe Newsom, but that’s just he biggest Democrat I know, as he’s my Governor.

      Edit: I don’t know how to make it clear: I live in California. If I voted for a ham sandwich for oresident it would have the same impact as voting for Biden. My state’s EC is clear and chosen, and popular vote doesn’t decide the president otherwise we’d never have Trump. I was considering going Greens, but I’m looking forward to Harris. Get mad at undecideds in Swing States and Trump supporters, not a registered Democrat in California.

      • @[email protected]
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        1125 months ago

        As a non American I just can’t comprehend how any of you even have to think about this.

        On one hand, an old man, who, despite his age and stumbling over his words, has ran the country relatively successfully for the last four years.

        On the other hand, another old man that was a global embarrassment, cosied up to Putin and Kim, spent most of his time golfing and shitting his pants, stole classified documents and likely sold state secrets, he is a sexual abuser, an actual criminal, clearly has corrupt justices on his side with crazy plans, chummy with epstein and took multiple trips to pedo Island, promoted racism at every opportunity, many of the people connected to him for his first term were imprisoned, refused to accept your democratic process, contributed in instigating a fucking coup attempt, and that’s likely not even the half of it…

        Like, how the fuck can ANY of you look at that and say “Yeah but Biden stumbles over his words so I’ll just throw my vote away/vote for trump…”

        I feel like I’m going insane just watching this shit unfold. It is all so bizarre.

        • @[email protected]
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          495 months ago

          Don’t worry, those of us Americans who don’t have their heads up their asses are just as baffled as you are and 3 times as embarrassed that Trump is even an option again.

          I am in a fucking loop of laughter and tears because I don’t even know what to do anymore.

        • @[email protected]
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          185 months ago

          Yes. It’s insane. I will vote for whoever is most likely to beat Trump. It’s embarrassing that he is RNC’s pick for candidate. He demonstrated his inability to do the job and his fans still want him because he hurts the “right people”. Horrifying.

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            It’s not even “he hurts the ‘right people’” anymore, because Trump’s policies hurt everyone. It’s"he hurts the ‘right people’" more than he hurts me. I will give myself a cold to give you a fever.

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          I just don’t want an old rapist racist in charge of a country.

        • @[email protected]
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          A very common position among the lemmy crowd, unfortunately. I really don’t expect much to change either, just swap Harris for Biden in the hit pieces.

          • @[email protected]
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            135 months ago

            I’ve disengaged from political news and discussion over the last few years for my mental health, and this confirms that was the right move. shit is driving me crazy.

          • Queue
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            I don’t know how to make it clear: I live in California. If I voted for a ham sandwich for president it would have the same impact as voting for Biden. My state’s EC is clear and chosen, and popular vote doesn’t decide the president otherwise we’d never have Trump. I was considering going Greens, but I’m looking forward to Harris. Get mad at undecideds in Swing States and Trump supporters, not a registered Democrat in California.

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                I’m trying to. I live in the district Kevin McCarthy was in. His replacement isn’t great. Our blanket primary was “Republican backed by Kevin and Trump” and “Republican backed by conservative think tanks and Trump staff”.

                I’ve considered running for office using a form of leftist talks masked like Republican talking points. But an openly queer leftist in Republican territory won’t go well, unless I figure out what urn I want ahead of time.

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          65 months ago

          Yes. But I’m in California. My vote for President doesn’t matter. My local ballots do.

    • @[email protected]
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      555 months ago

      I’m really hoping if Harris still has to be on the ticket that she’ll stay VP. It would be nice to have a decent prez option.

      But I’ll be voting anti trump either way.

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        It would be nice to have a decent prez option.

        It would also be nice not to live on a burning planet controlled by decrepit rich psychopaths but I don’t think either of us will be getting what we want.

        I’ll still vote for whatever the democrats decide to run, of course, since minimizing or maximizing fascists’ access to government is the only question on the ballot this election.

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          15 months ago

          since minimizing or maximizing fascists’ access to government is the only question on the ballot this election

          Why?

    • NoIWontPickAName
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      Nah, I said I would support her if that’s what it came down to.

      She needs a good VP though with her record.

      That debate and the putin -Zelensky trump-Harris mixups so short together.

      Pull in Buttigieg and you have a white male as a backup to calm people down and maybe pull in the gay vote.

      I understand how the last sentence could be seen the wrong way, but it’s the cynical reality.

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      Absolutely they will. When the gEnOciDe stopped working/got boring, they switched to- oLd!

      Give it a day, they’ll have their reasons not to vote for her too.

      • Flying Squid
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        Someone already replied to me saying that unless the Democrats produce a “non genocide-loving candidate,” don’t vote for them.

          • Flying Squid
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            And not just genocide overseas. Trump has made his position on immigrants and queer people very clear. And if anyone thinks ‘immigrants’ won’t include brown people that are native-born citizens who don’t happen to have the right ID on them, you’re wrong.

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            No democracy either. They want an authoritarian dictatorship because they don’t believe they’ll be the ones hurt by it.

        • @[email protected]
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          85 months ago

          Bots bots and more bots. I assume all of that garbage is coming from a room full of shoulder to shoulder ruskies

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      Harris isn’t ideal, but she’s an improvement. She’s less on board with genocide than Bidenyahu, and she can fog a mirror.

      Vote for Harris. Don’t make the party regret listening.

    • @[email protected]
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      175 months ago

      Hi, I think you’ve seen me in enough places saying not to vote for Biden.

      Go vote for Harris.

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      You wanna know how to shut those people up? Replace First Past The Post voting with something like Ranked Choice voting. Then they would have to make their own party and show us how it’s done. (No spoiler effect to)

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        Nothing will shut them up. They want to find reasons to be upset about not getting their pony.

    • @[email protected]
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      The reason we haven’t seen it happen yet is that they weren’t prepared for this. They need to make some memes and talking points, make sure everyone is on the same page. Give it a day or so, and we’ll start seeing a strangely concerted effort against Harris.

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        They’ve been doing memes involving coconuts. I had to look up why. I still don’t get it after reading about it.

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          She mentioned them. Don’t you see how grossly incompetent she is to hold office for this!?

    • @[email protected]
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      Cool strawman you’re beating up. I think the majority of us that didn’t want Biden is because he didn’t have a good path to victory. We didn’t want to just stand by and watch the train wreck happen. Harris isn’t much better, but at least she is better, and I will be on board with that of that’s who is chosen. I would rather see Whitmer be on the top of the ticket though.

      • Flying Squid
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        135 months ago

        One of my strawmen replied to me below. You should tell them about how I knocked them down.

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            I thought I was beating up strawmen? Now they exist?

            You do understand what a straw man argument is, right?

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                  Any moment now, the ‘don’t vote for Biden’ group will be in here telling us not to vote for Harris. And if it isn’t Harris, they’ll tell us not to vote for whoever it is.

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                    Yes. That is what I wrote. What specifically there suggests I was talking about the majority?

                    Do you think ‘group’ means ‘majority?’ Maybe English isn’t your first language.

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      The criterion is very simple: Don’t vote for genocide committers, enablers or planners. That excludes Biden and Trump.

      If the Dems manage to produce a non genocide loving candidate, then vote vote vote and drag everyone who will vote for the non genocide candidate to the polling station.

      • @GoddessNoAi
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        “I’d rather let someone who actively, aggressively advocates, enables, and wants genocide domestically and abroad to win the presidency, over voting for somebody who passively enables genocide to happen abroad because actively trying to stop it could ignite WWIII” is still a bad take.

        It’s baffling and hypocritical.

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          It is hypocritical to delude yourself into believing voting for genocide is somehow not approving genocide. And i hardly doubt that stopping Israel from committing genocide in Gaza would ignite WW3.

          If you mistake it for Ukraine, think about all the help Ukraine is not getting so Israel can get it instead. Dozens of Billions in Weapons to slaughter a civillian population instead of helping Ukraine defend itself against Russias invasion.

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            I’m not deluding myself about anything. The choice isn’t “vote for or against genocide” it’s “act to get less or more genocide”. It’s not a false dichotomy; if you’re not voting to defeat Trump, then you’re acting to get more genocide.

            By not acting to defeat Trump, you’re enabling genocide more than Biden ever has.

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              In some takes on the trolley problem (do nothing, five people are run over by a trolley an die, flip a track change switch and two people are run over by a trolley and die) flipping the switch is the morally worse option because then those two people’s deaths are your fault, whereas the five people who die because you did nothing are someone else’s fault. I don’t agree with that take, but it’s taken seriously in philosophy circles.

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        I don’t get how in the Levant, where both Hamas and the Israelis have significant factions that want to genocide the other people, a situation where Hamas does the genociding (because an Israel without attack capability de facto also loses defense capability) is somehow more moral than a situation where Israel does it.

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          You are making multiple false assumptions in there. The first being that 2.000 pound bombs are somehow “defensive”. The next being that a 30.000 fighters Hamas would somehow genocide all of the settlers, despite their army having hundreds of thousands of members. Then it goes further with this idea, that they want to eradicate them, when all they want is to get their land back. The settlers always have the options to leave and go back to their home countries. Meanwhile Israel as a settler colonial project has to commit genocide to complete itself because as long as a Palestinian people exists, it will demand to get back to its rightful land. Finally you are wrong about the reasons why people in Palestine support violence. They do so, because it is the only thing protecting them from annihilation. For Israelis it is a mix between believing, they need to commit genocide as being the perpetrator protects them from being the victims, classic imperialist greed and a big portion of racism and fascism.

          But in the end Israel will destroy itself from within as all fascist states do eventually. The question is how many more people the US helps them to murder in the meantime.