That’s pretty much US politics summed up, isn’t it? Ignore what they people say and throw money into it to get what you want.
Is that "Truth Social"😂?
They’d fit right at home on r/Asmongold. That place has become a KotakuInAction offshoot in recent months. So much right wing, anti-woke and anti-trans content gets posted there that I’m surprised the admins haven’t quarantined or banned it.
so i’m not very familiar with asmongolds content, but I know someone who keeps posting his videos into a group chat I’m in together with anti-woke “why are there minorities in my video games” comments.
is that the type of content asmongold produces or is my acquaintance just extremely dense?
I’ve watched asmongold a bit on and off over the years, and I don’t think that he himself is really right wing (unless that changed recently), more just a no-filter, full-on basement dweller but mostly apolitical. Can’t say it’s really surprising if some of the audience has the 4chan vibe though. Never participated/cared about the chat or the subreddit though.
Eww far right social media filled with racism,anti sentiment,islamphobia etc etc
Ngl I don’t know why he’s here but I fuck with his vibe
Same I like him
“It is unambiguous clear that our message is toxic and the majority of people reject our ideology and us with it. Therefore, the most logical solution is to create an artificial narrative via manipulation and vote-buying that makes it appear that people like us.” -these people probably
Capitalism™
Well, it worked with the news.
It also worked with Reddit. The Palestine discourse there is utterly repulsive and gleefully genocidal.
Is it really that bad? I haven’t been on Reddit in over a year.
worldnews is absolutely surreal and awful. Country specific subreddits are also getting worse and worse.
It’s hilariously ironic that I got banned from worldnews four years ago for criticizing the Saudi regime and how they use millennia-old scripture as justification to treat women horribly. Apparently that’s ‘bigotry.’
Everything I hear about the toxicity of worldnews these days is baffling.
Well, Saudi Arabia is an ally in all but name to Israel. Also both countries have excellent ties to large swaths of US politics.
Holy shit you’re not wrong. I just browsed the top of the week on World News for a good twenty minutes and there wasn’t a single post about the thousands of civilians that have been killed. I didn’t see a single pro Palestine post and anybody talking about the literal war crimes being committed over there we’re just downvoted. I think I agree with your word choice of “surreal.” It feels like straight up propaganda and they are all falling for it. Every post about Israel was just saying something about how they’re taking out the terrorists.
This is what they do in real life too though. They know the US is mostly liberal (based on the popular vote) so they have to abuse money and historical power to manipulate the votes into their favor.
You’re telling me I could be getting paid for this shit?
Yes, but you have to be dead inside.
There absolutely no way this isn’t an ad for upvote buying services lol this is so insane and transparent and the worst part is it’ll work
I mean, it’s an ad but it’s also thought-provoking and interesting. Before now we all knew what was happening we just didn’t know the details also kind of interesting to see proof it’s a conversation starter. I think I would have preferred it if the author would have redacted the URL though.
Thats exactly what I believe. I know there is no limits to stupidity, but don’t you use bots to make it seem legit? Who would go around saying, “hey guys we’re losing. We should use BOTS. We should buy BOTS ACCOUNT AND UPVOTES from BOTSFORSALE.org”
How to milk the conservatives.
It screams Steve Bannon.
Keen observation skills. I wouldn’t have caught on, I’m sad to say.
Have to respect someone getting in on grifting conservatives without even endorsing their views in the process.
In this case they do very much help those views though. Either they create the appearance of public appeal, which draws more people to these views, or they manage to disrupt spaces that formerly fostered a different political culture.
If we look at Twitter we see the second aspect particularly strongly.
Honestly, there’s and endless sea of grift attempts going on at all times. You don’t think people selling fake gold Trump coins, etc give one damn about his politics, do you? They’re just trying to wring every penny out of the die hards
Last presidential election here in Brazil there were some some traffic light salesman selling towels with the presidential candidates. And they walked around with a score board showing which one had sold more. And they sold a lot more because people didn’t want to see their beloved candidate on the losing side.
Man, the cash I could make with flexible ethics.
“How dare the left accuse us of fascism, they’re the fascists! Now c’mon everyone, let’s conspire to fake vote totals so we can assert authority we didn’t earn.”
“Our opinions are wildly unpopular to the point where even if a bunch of us showed up we’d struggle to make a difference so we’re gunna need to buy upvotes!”
Like…c’mon.
The right may not have good ideas, organizational skills, charm, ethics, understanding of economics, history, or politics, or strength in numbers, but they do have the one thing more important than all of these.
Money!
You don’t get and keep money without some of these skills though.
Have you seen the content there?
Yeah they’re gonna need lots of money to get any attention
Dumb enough to fall for a Facebook lie about Tim Walz, but smart enough to use a crappy image editor?
Oh wow, so it’s basically a content farm for /r/TheRightCantMeme
Fuckin’ yikes.
Gasp, you all surely don’t believe that conservatives would ever engage in voter manipulation tactics… r-r-right!?
Reddit culture (and lemmy by extension) changed so much in a short time. Just a few years ago you weren’t downvoted just because someone disagreed with your opinion. The polarization and culture war turned reddit users completely dogmatic and as immune to arguments or facts as magats.
The same is true of lemmy. Most users prefer to defederate from socialist instances because “tankies”. Which really shows how right wing “limbrols” have become. They hate socialists with a different viewpoint on US empire more than they hate fascists. The fascists have succeeded in utterly destroying reddit and lemmy as a platform for useful political discourse.
We now have the vast majority of “liberals” on lemmy upvoting comments using racist slang terms for Russians to dehumanize them, just like they did for enemies in Japan, Vietnam or Korea. The fascists have made massive inroads.
The OP meme almost seems quaint to me now. The real culture war is elsewhere now.
Upvotes and downvotes have always been glorified agree/disagree buttons.
This is simply incorrect. It’s true that they now evolved completely to that, but you are wrong stating that it was always like this. It’s still in the reddiquette: https://support.reddithelp.com/hc/en-us/articles/205926439-Reddiquette
Vote. If you think something contributes to conversation, upvote it. If you think it does not contribute to the subreddit it is posted in or is off-topic in a particular community, downvote it.
This used to be understood that people often treated it as agree/disagree but that you are “supposed to be better than that”. And that made a difference.
It’s historic revisionism to say it was always like this because clearly there was discussion about this if you go just 10 years back: https://www.reddit.com/r/TheoryOfReddit/search/?q=downvote
I was there. It was real. You’re not crazy, a lot of us went by a kinda honor code for downvotes. You had to say something very irrelevant for me to downvote.
It was the best of times for internet forums.
Better discussions and the gags were limited and not belched out repeat jokes. Yes there were inside jokes but it wasn’t like broken arms jackdaw molly rancher every damn thread. It got too popular and with that you drew the youtube comment types all trying to get the “funniest meta joke” per thread which translates to “most likes” for people not interested in genuine discussion. Couple that with echo chambers and astroturfing and well, now we’re here.
Thanks, sometimes it does feel like going crazy!
I really wish we could design systems that allow to come closer to that old ideal again. But maybe that age has simply passed and all of our attitudes have changed forever. For example instead of just voting up or down, you could vote for example “funny” or “contributes” or “misinformation”. Maybe there are even some clever statistical algorithms in the background aiding that. Somehow technology ought to evolve to further good discussion.
Most users prefer to defederate from socialist instances because “tankies”.
To the degree that people bother to defederate from anything (most users don’t) I would assume its because apologists for Putin and China are about as odious to talk to as MAGAs
Basically any anti-imperialist and anti-US empire critique is stamped as Putin/China apologism and downvoted or outright banned. You don’t even have to be a socialist to be “odious”. And of course the big instances have already defederated from the major socialist instances.
Just a few years ago you weren’t downvoted just because someone disagreed with your opinion.
Lol what? What year did you join Reddit? As someone who’s been there since 2008, I promise you that this is nothing new.
Yeah, I was on Reddit for 13 years and I don’t remember that ever.
Not sure what year but the culture definitely changed somewhere around 2008-2016. A big part was trump of course, but before that the rise in android and iphone and becoming more popular to a broader segment of the public (e.g. “boomers”). Before it was tech enthusiasts all on desktop PC. This was also before toxic gamer culture.
If you don’t think it changed you must have trauma induced amnesia.
Does they encourage people to buy upvotes in friendly subreddits? Either they are not friendly or them buying internet points is even more useless than I thought.
I think they are posting on “friendly” subreddits so their posts dont get deleted and buy upvotes so they are recommended to people browsing r/all
Everyone with a Reddit account, let’s sell upvotes to conservatives on Jordan_Peterson_Memes. It’s income redistribution with zero impact.
Point me to the sign up sheet
