“It was just a joke!”
Oh, I don’t get it. Can you explain to me what the joke is? Like, can you put into words why you find that funny?
I think it’d be subverting expectations. From the start you might think it’s about the Pacific trash island that has collected there, but then it turns the other way and calls Puerto Rico a trash island. A decently funny joke imo, even if rude. I’ve seen the same joke being done about the UK and it did get a proper chuckle out of me.
The main difference is that the UK used to be powerful and did a lot of bad things to a lot of countries around the world. Puerto Rico on the other hand has always been weak so it feels weird for someone in a much more powerful area of the world to pick on them.
Good comedy can punch up, but very rarely works when punching down. Punching down is generally just bullying in disguise.
When punching up it’s funny, punching down is called bullying
I think Anthony Jeselnik sums it up pretty well
Jeselnik is a class act. What’s interesting to me is that the guy in the op, essentially has the same Roast style as Jeselnik. But the way they execute it is key.
I saw some of the ops bits from a comedy central roast, and they were really funny… But when you put him in the context of being at a trump rally wave saying stuff like this it’s like “ohhh, you’re not making subvertive jokes, you’re just a bigot hiding behind ‘comedy’”
It can be meaner but for a stand-up I think it could be fine, if the context is comedy and it didn’t have genuine hatred behind it. In this case it’s clear that it was used as a tool of hatred and not just for making a joke.
I don’t think how places used to be plays any part in how funny insulting them is. Despite being as powerful as the UK when it was last relevant and worse, I think people would still be offended if he said Japan instead. “Always OK to hate colonizers” as someone put it my butt, the internet just really wants to make fun of France and not feel bad about it.
I would say it is fair to make fun of them as long as they themselves still glorify that past.
So you would say it’s fair if he had said “It’s called Japan” instead? They glorify their recent past as well.
I’m sure a lot of folks on SEA would heartily agree, especially Chinese and Koreans.
If by recent past you mean the genocides in their most recent wars with their neighbors then yes, I would say that would qualify them to be made fun of in that way. If you just mean some industrial successes in the 1980s, not so much.
Because it’s full of Mexicans 😂🤣😂
And the president is Hugo Chavez 🇵🇪
I don’t understand the joke because everybody knows the trash island (not an island btw, you cannot walk on it) is in the Pacific Ocean, and Puerto Rico is on the Atlantic Ocean, so it’s inaccurate. I mean… geography is important, otherwise, you could do the joke with any island in the world and as a French, I would of course pick Great Britain.
(ok, that would be funny, then)
They can’t vote, so why would they care? Easy targets, no apparent consequences.
Edit: /s
Except for the millions of Puerto Ricans that live in the Continental US.
Yeah I’m on board, I was attempting some mild satire.
If they don’t live in Pennsylvania, Arizona or Nevada, they also don’t count.
The conservative ones will just ignore this like always.
Puerto Ricans can and do move and there’s large numbers of them in swing states. There’s 450 thousand just in Pennsylvania
EDIT: also doesn’t help that he also said
“These Latinos, they love making babies, too. Just know that they do,” Hinchcliffe said, setting up his joke: “There’s no pulling out. They don’t do that. They c-- inside, just like they did to our country."
Yeah, I was being mildly satirical. Insulting any people group seems like it should be a losing move. I wish it were.
Why the /s?
That’s literally the point. Easy target, plus they’re brown people i/e “Not Real Americans”
Bone stock Republican shit.
I guess in this case the /s is for satire.
“We’re The Real Americans!” while flying the confederate flag.
Completely without irony. Absolutely destitute of self reflection.
You couldn’t invent a band of chucklefucks more capable at torpedoing a presidential campaign…and yet here we are, tied, with apparently no ability to sway any voters away from Trump. It’s so demoralizing.
They’re just bullies.
Tony Hinchcliffe is not funny. Watched his podcast for a while then totally abandoned it because I realized I wasn’t laughing during most episodes. It’s mostly seasoned comics taking cheap shots at amateurs and then saying some racist shit while they all laugh and no one in the audience does. His nasally voice is annoying as fuck and hitching his wagon to the trump train seems pretty on brand for that fuckwit. His comedy brand caters to the same people who really like Joe Rogan and Alex Jones, both regulars on the podcast. Shocking I know.
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Jfc, they’re USA citizens. Ffs.
Are they? Are they really? Puerto Rico still isn’t allowed to be it’s own state
Downvoters somehow missing the point where Puerto Ricans are basically treated as second class citizens because of where they live. Puerto Rico should be it’s own state already
They are still U S. citizens, just not citizens of any state. Same thing can happen if you are born in DC or a military base not in a state.
American Samoans are the ones that really get screwed. They are just U S. nationals. All the responsibilities of citizens (including the draft when it exists) but not all of the benefits.
It was kind of my point that they were treated as second class citizens, like Samoans, just because of where they were born. Puerto Rico should be it’s own state already
I think maybe the text of your post did not convey that sentiment, particularly given the reliability of Poe’s Law. Perhaps in the future, you might include a visible indicator that you are using satire?
What a weird place this instance is.
The explanation for those not in the know.Puerto Ricans are USA citizens they can vote for president but They can not vote on the president from Puerto Rico. They are natural born US citizens can’t vote for president in the place of their birth. This is because of many reasons.
So they have to move and become residents of not Puerto Rico, but a different state, to vote for president.
So they do not have the same rights as other US citizens because of where they live. This is unique in the united states.
I mean, it’s not because they’re Puerto Rican, it’s because they live in Puerto Rico. Someone from Iowa who moved to Puerto Rico would also not get a vote.
This is because our system allocates votes to land, not people.
US citizens don’t get to vote for president. They get to vote for who their place of residence votes for.Up until the 60s, people in DC also didn’t get a vote, because by default only states get a vote, and it’s explicitly not a state.
What a weird place this instance is.
implying that there are instances that aren’t like this
Puerto Rican statehood is more complicated than that. Becoming a state is a contentious issue even amongst Puerto Ricans.
Is it?
I had friends there for a long time, they all basically either wanted the US out or had it be a US state, anything but this in between nothing that they’re in now
Yes it is. There is another referendum on statehood this year, but in 2020, the vote was only marginally higher in favor of it than against.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Puerto_Rican_status_referendum
A 2019 Gallup poll found 83% of Democrats in the US, but only 35% of Republicans, supported Puerto Rican statehood. A 2020 survey by International Policy Digest found that “The majority of Democrats showed support for statehood for both D.C. (61.8%) and Puerto Rico (69.7%)” while among Republicans, only 26.7% supported D.C. statehood and 34.8% supported Puerto Rican statehood.
That speaks volumes.
Are they? Are they really?
Yes they really are. They are U.S. citizens who are disenfranchised based on location.
Yeah, maybe it wasn’t entirely clear there but I was trying to say that they were treated as second class citizens that can pay taxes but can’t vote becit of where they live
You do know that has nothing to do with being of Puerto Rican ethnicity, right? It has to do with living on Puerto Rico. You can be a citizen of Indonesian descent who lives on Puerto Rico and you still can’t vote for president. But that person, and all of the other U.S. citizens making up the population of Puerto Rico can just hop on a plane or a boat and come to the continental U.S. (or even Hawaii or Alaska), no passport needed, move there without any immigration issues, and vote in the next presidential election.
It doesn’t matter what your ethnicity is.
You also can’t vote for president if you live on American Samoa or Guam.
I thought that was what I said, but having said that, does any of that make sense to you?Puerto Rico is US territory, you should be able to vote. Same for Samoa and other territories
It only makes sense in the context of the electoral college. But I think the electoral college should be gotten rid of via constitutional amendment and the president should be elected by popular vote. In that case, yes, they should be allowed to vote for president.
As it is now, there’s no mechanism to assign electoral college votes to non-states.
This was like 4th grade shit for me my man.
Tony, Chapelle, and Joe Rogan are actively murdering comedy. They blame everyone but themselves because they can’t get with the times. They look down on people and punch down constantly, and still manage to miss the mark. They are not down to earth, they are not relatable, and they should NOT be looked up to.
That’s spot on.
If you look at actual funny people, they’ve worked out a way to do it without being heavily racist.
If you look at shows like Brooklyn 99, they did an amazing job at respecting everyone whilst being hilarious. The parts of this nonsense I saw, was just cringe. It seemed like they were trying more to advertise racism than going for humor, because even my mates are funnier and they’re not professionals
It feels like they were probably surrounded by yes men their whole lives so have lost touch
The real joke is that the Trump campaign is tripping over itself now to disavow this message. Meanwhile it’s come to light that this “comedian” was going to drop a c-bomb in his material in reference to Kamala, but the Trump campaign told him to remove it, and he complied.
Meaning they vetted the material and were a-fuckin’-ok with garbage island, only to later lie more and try to backpedal.
They’re not even good at lying, kids.
Edit: spelling
I’m still baffled by the logic of having a roaster/crowd work guy doing a set at a convention. Like… he was gonna insult people and start shit. It’s literally his job.
He’s not my cup of tea, but he’s been around and successful for a while now. He’s not an unknown entity who they could claim acted unpredictable.
Eminem spoke at a Harris rally. But he’s an adult who cares about people and expects as much from his government.
Did he throw shade at European-Americans?
I didn’t watch because it’s a republican political rally but he usually talks shit about other white people in the form of self deprecating humor in the shorts that get passed through my algorithm, so … maybe? It doesn’t help matters much though if he did, and it wouldn’t be on the same level as calling the whole island trash.
Usually racial comedy can be fun when it takes advantage of knowledge of the in crowd. Like you couldn’t really know to make fun of something unless you yourself were a fan of it. Like there are fun ways to joke around about cultures you love. He wasn’t doing that.
is a “c-bomb” a cunt ?
Some people find that word to be too misogynistic to use as an epithet. I’m not quite sure where I stand on that myself, but I tend to avoid it overall.
In the context of the US, it most certainly is. Other places, maybe not so much.
I’m not British so I cannot use it in the proper manner. Literally the only demographic that can get away with it being an 8/10 on the Carlin index of offense terminology. If you aren’t British it’s pretty much a 10.
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Last I saw they just claim it’s just comedy and the left wing has no sense of humor
They’d absolutely hate shows like Brooklyn 99 because there aren’t really any racist jokes, and it’s too “woke” for them
They’re absolutely terrified of Puerto Rican statehood, so they try to drive them away.
Little piss-baby cowards.
Reminds me of this classic greentext
This reminds me of when RTGame played Cities Skylines using a world map mod and made the island of Great Britain the landfill.
Piece of shit human trash calls Puerto Rico “trash”. Republicans are shit 💩
This was such a weird choice, when the GOP was already getting more Latino support than previously… Wouldn’t they want to court these people? Why would they straight up insult an entire voting bloc (one that experts have said could decide the outcome) this close to an election??
I know it’s most likely just racism and stupidity, but I couldn’t help but think that this dude did this on purpose to get less people to vote Republican? I mean, why else would they do this?
I previously knew this dude from his name, as the guy who writes most people’s (particularly non-comedians) insult jokes at Roasts. I’m kind of surprised (but not really, I believe he hangs/hung around Rogan) he’s a Trump supporter given the type of material he’s written in the past.
I’m not a fan of Roasts, but I’m pretty sure this dude was supposed to be considered like the best at that. At least previously.
Maybe someone who knows more about this guy can weigh in on it. It’s probably just racism if I’m being real.
After the 2012 loss to Obama, the RNC commissioned an investigation into what they could do better. It said, effectively, stop being racist, embrace immigrants, and ease off on abortion.
They promptly threw it in the garbage.
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He probably doesn’t know that Puerto Ricans can vote in US elections.
And a lot of them have moved to one of the 50 states.
This changes nothing. Not a single Trump voter changed their minds. The Trump Puerto Ricans agree with this. They just think it’s the ‘others’ fault.
This may even get them TO vote since someone sees the ‘problems’ they live with. This is how EVERY group that votes Trump against their own interest feel.
spoiler
They 100% don’t know they are included with the ‘problem’
VOTE
It is wild that there was any Latino support after the Haitian migrant lies.
But… PR is part of the US and is a wonderful place full of kind people. I spent one of the best vacations of my life there going all the way around the island (and Culebra!) and it was nothing but gorgeous views, great food, friendly people (it does help to speak Spanish so you understand how friendly they are) and relaxing days.
And that was when the country was getting rocked by earthquakes and had recently been battered by a few climate-change monster hurricanes. Screw people who hate on PR, that place rocks and is more resilient than your average conservative commentator.
But… PR is part of the US and is a wonderful place full of kind people.
Yes, and ones who don’t vote for these losers. That’s what’s got them butthurt. And the fact that they’re a majority Hispanic place where everyone born there is automatically a U.S. citizen. I’m sure that also makes them seethe.
Yes, and ones who don’t vote for these losers. That’s what’s got them butthurt.
Puerto Ricans don’t vote for anybody. They don’t have representation in Congress, and they have zero electoral votes because they aren’t a state.
So, no, they’re just butthurt because of racism, and Puerto Rico can’t do anything about it because they don’t have any representation.
They do if they move to any of the 50 states.
What a fucking cunt Jesus Christ. The racist rhetoric has really stepped up these past few months since there’s been 0 consequences
The joke only works if you understand that it’s not true and that no one can obviously believe it.
If it’s done where you and everyone thinks it’s true, you’re at a Klan rally or probably at the comedy mothership or something.
I’m sure insulting puerto rico will really help ðeir ambition of winning ð state wið ð largest population of puerto ricans outside ð island itself!
Whatcha typing there buddy? TH isn’t good enough for you?
NO IT ISN’T! Launches into multiparagraph long rant about ð importation of ð Gutenberg press mid GVS ruined English spelling to a similar extent to Thai and Tibetan spelling
I’m not one of the people who downvoted you. I like your passion. But maybe this is one of those things we can deal with after we’ve got a handle on climate change.
Probably, but Imma do my þing anyways until ðen. I’m not pushing ð change institutionally by a longshot, just writing to my own sense of jollies.
Yes please
I, too, have unskipable cutscenes over my special interests.
Also, Revive the Thorn/Thurs!
Interesting. Curious – beyond the historical linguistic context, do you find yourself using ðis style because you’re deeply passionate about these language quirks, or is it also a way to make your writing stand out? Or perhaps it’s a bit of boð, or something different?
I genuinely just do it because I find writing ðis way fun, and þink ð letters should make a comeback (along wið a host of oðer orþographic reforms viewable in my profile).
Not like I’m going out of my way to force oðers to use ðem ðough, so ð sheer vitriol I’ve caught for it has honestly made me double down over ð belief ðat people so devoted to ð status quo as to become enraged over a goddamned letter should spend ðeir lives mad about it until all ðat wasted anger kills ðem.
Are you not the one fighting to go back to the previous status quo? Are you not the one fighting change, something that language naturally goes through over time? What is your problem with change? Why do you want to make communication more difficult than it already is?
I’m not fighting for shit but my own right to write as I please wiðout being accosted for it as if ð þorn was used to anally rape someone’s moðer.
“as if o porn was used to anally rape someone’s mooer”
I see.
Speaking for Americans, we absolutely have the right to publish anything legal on any infrastructure that allows it.
It’s quirky, and I am pretty quirky myself. Still, I would copy and paste one or two of your sentences into some language model to be sure I fully understood you.
A gentle request for clarity in your communications might be appropriate if one deems it prudent. Vitriol is a little over the line - the style is certainly not offensive. To address the specific wording on your point about rights, we would probably agree freedom from criticism is not a right, though we would also agree that extreme attacks are unnecessary.
more blah blah
I have visited a couple of forums over the years whose rules included English only. Each time, the rule was for the benefit of the community. Hey, I just had an idea: text in a spoiler tag could be used to hide a little glossary, so everyone would know the modern spellings of the old-school words you used. Or, if it’s easier, simply copying the message a second time and using modern spellings would be another way to facilitate clear interpretations. Nobody is going to be struck by lightning or anything for not writing in a way that every human will immediately understand. But it does seem like this happy middle ground where you start by promoting your preferred syntax before respectfully appending a “translation” as this little olive branch of clarity.
We probably write in our journals for ourselves while we write on here for other community members, so taking the feedback you mention you’ve received into account is ostensibly a courtesy.
(not a mod, $0.02 only!)
The only reason English abandonned the letters ð and þ is because we switched to using the French alphabet. I’m not sure I would describe that as natural change.
I guess you could argue that using ð and þ like OP does makes English spelling clearer.
Right now, the digraph TH can make two different sounds (the sound in thy and the sound in thigh), and if a reader comes across a word or name they don’t know (like Athena or Mathers), there’s no way for them to know which TH sound it uses.
Using ð for the thy sound and þ for the thigh sound (which is what OP is doing) makes it clearer.
But how does that fix the other 99% of English spelling that is equally broken?
Why would it need to fix everything else? How could a single digraph swap fix any other issue than the one it is trying to address?
The point is that spelling and pronunciation in English are basically so different they might as well be two completely different languages so why bother with that one thing in particular?
(I’m sorry but I’m dying to know, whats up with ‘ð’ ?)
It’s ð letter which represents ð soft ‘th’ sound ð way þ represents ð hard version. Like B and P but if we had just accepted representing boþ wið an fh for some reason.
You’ve got þat backwards… Þorne is þe unvoiced letter, as in þem or boþ, whereas eð is þe voiced, as in faðer.
Source: A semester of Old West Norse language class (wherein þorne and eð are used in the same way as in English).
…I get what you’re saying but…“þem”? You pronounce ðat unvoiced?
Where am I right now?
At one of the many crossroads in your life where you have to decide whether to commit violence or maintain inner peace.
Þink þis depends on dialect, because boþ sound correct to me.
Edit: added more þorns
Fair enough
Old English was never consistent about the difference between thorn (þorn) and eth (eð), and they were used interchangeably in English writing.
(Unlike Icelandic, where þ is consistently the unvoiced sound and ð is the voiced sound.)
I think it’s a thorne, which used to stand for “th.”
When printing was new they used to substitute Ys for them, hence Ye Old Shoppe.
You all are thirsty for hate god damn. leave them alone they are not doing anything wrong.
Wow, I can’t believe ðere are so many people here who would downvote someone just for using variant orþography. SMH.
yeah those people would not survive in ma pona pi toki pona. tons of variant orthography there
Would not survive in <unreadable gibberish>?
You can learn to read and write þat fluently in about 5 days
His “act” was only racist stuff. Republicans seems to believe decomplexed racism is comedy.
I have Republican acquaintances who still make Clinton/Lewinsky jokes. Actually funny comedy is not their forte.
You should hit 'em back with a joke about Watergate.
I guess Tammany Hall would be the wrong party.
The south is a single issue voting bloc.
That issue being the reinstitution of Jim Crow.
