• @[email protected]
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    Just like groceries don’t include tax in the advertised price. the system is designed to screw us over.

    • @[email protected]
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      Just like groceries don’t include tax in the advertised price.

      Nah, that’s just in America, because Americans are dumb. Tipping doesn’t exist here BTW, because it’s idiotic and why would we do that.

      (if Americans aren’t dumb, why did they vote for Trump twice?)

      (I finally found an upside to the Trump presidency!)

    • @[email protected]
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      To be fair, no products sold (that I’m aware of) include tax on the sticker price, and here in TX groceries (unprepared food) are not subject to state sales tax.

    • deaf_fish
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      It pits the well being of the customer against the well being of the server. It’s a pretty evil system. Pay everyone a living wage. Everybody deserves to live.

  • @[email protected]
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    If you find like paying for service don’t go out. This is the way that it is and these are likely the guests that then get on Yelp and complain…about service. You can adjust minimum wage all you want but professional waitstaff aren’t going to pander to the wealthy for minimum wage. Minimum wage service sucks as it should, you get what you pay for; minimum wage, minimum effort. If you don’t like the system, change it, don’t victimize your fellow workers. They accepted the job under this current system. I’m in that system and am working to change it but until then if you don’t tip due to your high moral standards YTA. And it’s not because USians are stoopid (we are), it’s just the ingrained culture. Under capitalism the guest will be paying this money regardless. Much like this fauxmockracy, your choice is an illusion…

    • @[email protected]
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      *Manages the business, pretty sure that is their actual job, but…

      I believe in socialism because the lions share of value should be returned to those who exerted the majority of effort, not the inverse, which is the stupid system we have now

  • Stern
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    Makes me glad I live in a state that got rid of the tipped minimun and just has one across the board minimum wage.

  • IninewCrow
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    Who’s the cheap one in this equation?

    … the customer who is paying the owner of the restaurant for the food AND is obligated by social convention to pay extra to the waiter who is underpaid.

    or

    … the restaurant owner who doesn’t mind living in a world where we have normalized underpaying restaurant workers to the point where we pass down that responsibility to the customer who is already paying for the food.

    Pay your workers a proper wage and get rid of the idea of tipping.

    • @[email protected]
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      Don’t like tipping? Protest the policies by not going to restaurants, dont shove it on the workers who are stuck in the system.

      The owner is 100% happy you came to pay him and not the waiter he didnt wanna pay anyway.

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        Thats one way of looking at it… but if everyone would stop tipping, they would be forced to pay them a living wage or go out of business when all the staff quit. Its actually in the consumers power to effect that change, but only on a mass scale. Unfortunately its an awkward social coercion tactic at play now, which just continues to perpetuate the problem pitting us against each other just as capitalism intends to.

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          At this point youre just being disingenuous. There’s a thousand comments in this thread answering that question, and explaining why stiffing the workers doesn’t really affect the owners, or incentivise them to change anything.

    • @[email protected]
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      Tipping is fine, but as in “keep the change”, not “we need to change this tipping culture”

    • @[email protected]
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      Here’s the equation. Restaurants keep food costs low by paying servers next to nothing. If they paid them what they deserve, the cost of your meal would increase.

      So by not tipping, you are benefiting from the low cost of food while screwing over the person that has no control over the situation. YTA

      If you don’t want to tip, don’t go to a restaurant that has servers.

      Now, other places that actually pay a living wage and also have a tip button (ie concession stands at a sporting event) can get fucked.

      • @[email protected]
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        Are you suggesting that food prices will go up by more than the cost of the tip tacked on?

        Because if not it’s really just more honest pricing, and the same (or reduced) impact on customers, but without having to do math or having the option of being a leech.

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          If tipping ended and restaurants paid their servers, food prices would go up. That is undeniable.

          You are eating at a discount with the expectation that you will pay the owner’s employee for them. Yes, it is unfair and sucks but the one making out like a bandit here is the owner.

          So, not tipping is your way of benefiting personally on a discounted meal AND STILL giving the owner money. And the only one you have punished in your equation is a server (the leech???) who is generally living off that tip day to day.

          So if you want to make an impact, quit going to restaurants that have tipping as an expectation! That’s it! Otherwise you are just encouraging the owner to keep the status quo!

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            It’s not a discount if you are expected to pay more to add a tip.

            But dude, quit changing the subject, I’m not talking about people not tipping within the current system, never have been, and neither was the person you originally replied to. I’ve worked tipped positions, so I very much understand how they work.

            So again, are you suggesting that if we do away with tipping, costs of food would increase by MORE than the present amount of a tip that gets tacked on? Because that’s the only way prices for the end consumer actually meaningfully raise. Most likely they will actually go down overall. Because again you have to pay the tip too.

            You are really bad at reading comprehension btw. That, or you are a piss-poor troll and intentionally misrepresenting literally everything… the option to be a leech is the customer, who in the present system can skip the tip. Like a leech.

            Also, there aren’t any restaurants around me that scrapped tipping, not a single fucking one within at least an hour of where I live, so your suggestion is impossible for me and very privileged.

      • @[email protected]
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        Except that I’m fine if the cost of my meal increases if they paid their servers what they deserve.

        • @[email protected]
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          Same here. I’m just saying don’t protest tipping by not tipping. You’re screwing the wrong person.

      • FuzzyRedPanda
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        So by not tipping, you are benefiting from the low cost of food while screwing over the person that has no control over the situation. YTA

        Customers aren’t the assholes for the failures of the restaurant industry, just as customers aren’t the assholes for the refusal of the federal government to ensure restaurant workers are paid a living wage.

        Customers who don’t tip are not the enemy.

    • @[email protected]
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      The owner is evil, but anyone who doesn’t tip a waiter that earns too little to be able to afford to live is an asshole.

  • Cruxifux
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    Tipping is bullshit. Restaurants should pay their workers properly. But I’m not gonna punish the server for that. She has zero control over that.

    If I can’t afford to tip then I just don’t go to the restaurant. People would prefer to make up excuses for why they don’t wanna tip and how that doesn’t make them an asshole while taking huge huffs of their own farts. If you don’t like the tipping culture just go to a fast food restaurant or make your own food. Why is everybody such whiney bitches about everything?

    • @[email protected]
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      If you don’t like the tipping culture just go to a fast food restaurant or make your own food.

      You know in other countries there’s restaurants that specialize in different dishes. They make stuff that you might not know how to make. They make stuff in bulk that’s hard to make to-order. There’s a lot of reasons why you might eat out rather than make it yourself.

      Tipping isn’t essential to this place. If you specialize in making pigs feet and you open a pig feet restaurant, you can charge people whatever you want them to pay for your pigs feet, and if they want it they pay it. But if you expect to hire waitstaff to do all the customer service, you better pay them a fair portion of what you’re charging customers. Giving them pennies and then telling customers “Oh just pay the help whatever you want, it’s extra” is just fucking evil. But instead of one shitty business model drying out, it became the norm in only your country.

      Yet another case of a stupid american not understanding how the world works outside of america… no vision of how things could work otherwise. Just arrogance and contempt.

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      Customers are NOT punishing staff by refusing to tip.

      Our school teachers all did a great job at getting us to blame other students when when one student did something bad, and the teacher punished all of us for it. My teachers did this gaslighting bullshit many times when I was in school. And now a whole new generation of adults are perpetuating the cycle. But it’s wrong.

      The restaurant owner is the one to blame for poor wages. The owner will say that the restaurant cannot afford to stay open otherwise. This is probably true. Many – if not most – restaurants in america cannot afford to exist unless they effectively steal wages from their workers. We either need legislation to fix this, or we need to let these restaurants die.

    • Dragon Rider (drag)
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      Drag never tips while eating out.

      Drag also lives in a country with a livable minimum wage and no tipping culture.

    • @[email protected]
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      Can you just not tip? We live in a tipping society too, but tipping is just goodwill. Like if your waiter is really nice, and the whole thing was 115 dollars, you might give him 120 and he can keep the difference. Sometimes just a roundup, fromm 5.60 to 6 bucks or something. But it’s not expected.

      • Fuck spez
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        Presumably, your country pays its servers a living wage so they don’t have to scrape by on tips. This has been the state of the US labor market in most non-fast food restaurants for decades:

        A tipped employee engages in an occupation in which he or she customarily and regularly receives more than $30 per month in tips. An employer of a tipped employee is only required to pay $2.13 per hour in direct wages if that amount combined with the tips received at least equals the federal minimum wage [$7.25 per hour]. If the employee’s tips combined with the employer’s direct wages of at least $2.13 per hour do not equal the federal minimum hourly wage, the employer must make up the difference. Many states, however, require higher direct wage amounts for tipped employees.

    • @[email protected]
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      So you hate the tipping culture but also hate people who want it abolished. That’s just beyond stupid.

      • Cruxifux
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        No, I hate the people who say they want it abolished and use that as an excuse to not pay their waiters. I made it plainly clear in my explanation, I honestly don’t know how to dumb it down for you anymore man.

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          Lol yeah the “I went to the restaurant but didn’t tip to teach everyone a lesson” is the same as “I voted for the third party to teach everyone a lesson.”

          No, you gave the restaurant owner their profit and the employee nothing. You helped no one, you taught no lessons, and if we could harness your mental gymnastics as physical gymnastics we would have infinite renewable energy.

          • @[email protected]
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            Since a lot of places require the employees be paid at least minimum wage including tips, it would impact the owner directly and immediately…if everyone stopped tipping.

      • @[email protected]
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        Like not tipping is going to abolish anything. You walk in, pay the owner and leave the worker hanging. Why would the owner care?

        It’s not like all the waiters can stay home waiting for something to change, people gotta live. Stop going to restaurants if you don’t want to tip

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          Why do you hate me for not wanting to tip, and not the employer who does not want to pay a living wage to it’s worker because the law does not oblige him to.

          Why do you blame me and not the government who regulated the law to allow rich people to become more rich by having part of their salary expenses covered by the public?

          This is a perfect example of privatizing the profits and socializing the losses

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            This makes 0 sense and isn’t worth replying to. It’s not really your fault though, your education system failed you.

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              You really showed me now, huh? Shame, I actually really thought you were the kind of person to clash viewpoints with and come out with something constructive after.

        • @[email protected]
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          To be fair, that’s not the actual alternative for the waiter. The waiter either accepts their income as it is with some people not providing a tip, or they can opt for other employment like the rest of the workforce that isn’t tipped. They don’t have to sit at home waiting for things to change like helpless puppies.

          I’m in California though so we don’t have any of that wage fuckery where they can be paid less than minimum wage if tips make up a significant portion of their income. It’s $17.55 hour minimum plus tips where I’m at.

          I’d really rather see tipping outlawed along with all other obscured fees and just pay what you need to pay to have waiters and charge what you need to charge to have a business transparently printed on the menu.

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            Ahh yes other employment! How come nobody ever thought of that… Just get another job of course. Taxi driver don’t like their wage? Why dont they change jobs. Improper ppe? Just quit. Minimum wage at mcdonalds not livable? Change jobs bro. Bad / dangerous working conditions? You know it… Change jobs! Why do we even bother with oversight like OSHA when all construction workers need is to change jobs when things arent properly done. Contractors will figure it out eventually! California should do away with their pesky wage rules,“to be fair” they aren’t necessary, workers won’t be sitting at home waiting for it.

            It’s so ridiculous of an answer ill go back to arguing with those who think they shouldn’t tip. We’d all prefer to see it outlawed.

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              It boggles the mind how someone can dismiss the legislation that enables the exact scenario the person they replied to described. Yes, the best solution is to have a reasonable minimum wage that isn’t modified by tips. Then you don’t have to leave your job, because they have to follow the law.

              …or did you not bother reading past the first sentence?

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        This place is just as toxic as reddit lol, it was a valid question.

        Edit: and before people get confused by my username, I haven’t been back to reddit since the day RIF stopped working.

      • Cruxifux
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        Oh dude just fuck off, gender is not important for the point.

        • Dragon Rider (drag)
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          Exactly, gender isn’t important. You could have done the convenient thing and they/themed the imaginary waiter. Why did you choose to go to the effort of assigning a gender when gender has nothing to do with your point?

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            Because it doesn’t actually matter what gender I used so I went with she and didn’t put much thought into it. I didn’t think people would be so soft headed as to actually give a shit because it isn’t relevant to the point at all. If I had said “he” nobody would have given a shit, something is wrong with y’all.

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            Because serving is a female dominated industry where I am I guess?

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                Nobody is less important to me than you and your dumb ass opinion on the genders of waiters that has absolutely zero bearing on the point getting made.

  • @[email protected]
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    Reminds me of that episode of Scrubs, where Dr Cox was going around with a tip jar, because if a guy pouring coffee gets a tip, he should get one from the people whose lives he saved.

    • @[email protected]
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      “Why tip someone for a job I’m capable of doing myself? I can deliver food, I can drive a taxi, I can and do cut my own hair. I did, however, tip my urologist. Because I am unable to pulverize my own kidney stones.” -Dwight Schrute, “The Office”

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    I love that scene, you have a table of vicious killers and sociopaths, and even they’re disgusted at the idea of someone not tipping.

  • @[email protected]
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    Except the food cost is only a small part of what we are paying for at a restaurant. What we are paying for is the worker’s time and skills. We could, mostly, eat the same ingredients at home for much cheaper.

    A lot of the other costs are small and make profit in scale.

    • @[email protected]
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      In this case wouldn’t the cooks time and skills be more important? Almost anyone can carry a plate but it takes a more diverse set of skills to cook various meals in timely manner while trying to prepare another 10 orders as well.

      Not to say the server isn’t important as well but tbh, I’d rather have shitty service and great tasting food than have amazing service and terrible food. Ideally great food and great service, that will defintely get me back.

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        hey the waiter doesnt carry the food, the runner does that

        the waiter asks me how im doing every 5 minutes and upsells me drinks and excess food. now that is special

      • @[email protected]
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        You undervalue good service. Good service, like good cooks, keep people with allergies from dying. Who exactly do you think passes on the allergy information? In a more general manner, good service makes sure that your order is presented the the kitchen staff correctly and matches expectations when they say it’s ready. It’s not just about whether or not they have a pleasant demeanor.

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          I could get the best service I’ve ever had, if the food tastes bad, makes me sick, or is undercooked I won’t be returning.

          I could have rude service, have to send my order back for being wrong, and maybe even wait a while, if that food is delicious I’ll be coming back.

          It takes a whole team to run a restaurant but if the food sucks or is unsafe no amount of good service will make up for that.

  • metaStatic
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    you don’t tip because your cheap

    I don’t tip because I never go anywhere

    we are not the same