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      Better bomb some civilians, snipe some little girls, ruin infrastructure, stop ambulances, and flood the sewers so those Palestinian scu… I mean Hamas, can learn their place… There, justified.

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      When it comes to human shields, the only independent verification back in 2014 (Amnesty link) is of Weapons (not rockets) hidden at a vacant school, situated btwn 2 UNRWA schools housing displaced people, by a Palestinian armed group.

      The Guardian journalists had encountered a couple individuals in 2014 too.

      HRW on Laws-of-War Violations 2009

      Amnesty on Hamas War Crimes 2023

      Yet none of those come remotely close to making hospitals and schools bombing targets. Even if all the IDF claims were true, that does not exempt those hospitals and schools as protected under international law.

      While we’re on the subject, let’s look at how the IDF uses Human Shields including Children (2013 Report)

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          No it doesn’t and I’m not pro-Stalin either. Do you think human rights orgs are pro Hamas or something? Even if the human shields argument was true it doesn’t justify bombing civilians (that are mostly women and children). Hamas has done war crimes and deserve to be prosecuted for them same as every Israeli official who’s done war crimes. More terrorism against the Palestinian people will only increase support for armed militia groups. Ending the apartheid by giving Palestinians human rights and improving the QoL is how you take away any support for those kind of armed groups.

          The only way to replace apartheid is with a democratic system.

          The West Bank is like an open-air prison where you send petty criminals who are allowed more time to go outside and work outside. And there’s no harsh regime inside but it’s still a prison. Even the Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, if he moves from Area B to C, he needs the Israelis to open the gate for him. And that’s for me very symbolic, the fact that the president cannot move without the Israeli jailer opening the cage.

          There is, of course, a Palestinian response all the time to this. Palestinians are not passive and they don’t accept it. We saw the first Intifada and the second Intifada, and perhaps we will see a third Intifada. The Israelis say to the Palestinians, in a prison management mentality, that if you resist we will take away all your privileges, like we do in prison. You won’t be able to work outside. You won’t be able to move freely, and you will be punished collectively. This is the kind of the punitive side of it, collective punishment as retaliation.

          INTERVIEW: Ilan Pappé: How Israel turned Palestine into the biggest prison on earth

          Israel controls all aspects of movement, Water, Air space, Sea access, borders, Imports (food and building supplies), Labor exploitation, and maintain the apartheid through violence

          A prison, also known as a jail, gaol, penitentiary, detention center, correction center, correctional facility, or remand center, is a facility where people are confined against their will and denied a variety of freedoms under the authority of the state, generally as punishment for various crimes. Authorities most commonly use prisons within a criminal-justice system: people charged with crimes may be imprisoned until their trial; those who have pled or been found guilty of crimes at trial may be sentenced to a specified period of imprisonment.

          It is absolutely an open air prison, except you get in just by being born inside the OPTs with the only court you’ll ever see being a military court where even children can be taken from their families indefinitely with administrative detention

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          Woah there nice argument buddy. The username is kinda funny so everything he says must be wrong! Ad hominem much?

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        Yeah, only an idiot would think the IDF are shooting civilians for no good reason. It’s OBVIOUSLY because they’re all hamas. All of them, everywhere.

        On that same token, the “girl” with the narrow hips who struck my daughter out in softball is OBVIOUSLY trans, Orson Welles is OBVIOUSLY a communist and Iraq OBVIOUSLY has nukes.

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      Good/bad is the wrong aproach. What ppl this days lack is the sense of chivalry. If you see someone that was right in an argument beating the shit out of the guy that was wrong, you as a human being still should intervene to stop the onslaught.

      It’s 10k civilian deaths vs 500 civilian deaths. May be time to stop the massacre?

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          Of course many things are relative, still if we do not try to discuss specific terms there will never be human understanding.

          Is Israel imaginary? Me as living in Finland, I could still not verify.

          Is there a massive weapon industry in U.S: and Nato countries? Well, that you can believe it. Every bullet sold is documented by multiple entities.

          Is there a specific count of bullets, assault rifles, grenades, rocket launchers, war drones, missiles, ground mines, military vehicles and bombs sold to Israel by U.S. and Nato? Yes.

          Is military funding accounted? Yes.

          If something is official, you can trust it is real.

          On the other hand Iran smugles armament to Hamas. That amount cannot compete with the official Nato supply. It’s just industrially and logistically impossible.

          A gun vs knife situations consequence is that a ‘war,’ as you call it became a genocide.

          If we do not try to specify terms, ww2 jews could also be just ‘war casualties’.

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              I see where you are trying to get with that argumentation based on causality: justification. Thus, back to good/bad.

              Still, I disagree on your reasoning for the condemn of ww2 atrocities. From the very beginning german nationalists had a big point against jew ownership and business monopoly. It’s not for nothing that a majority democratically elected the to-be dictator Hitler. It’s the way Nazi party implemented the ‘fix’ and the indifference of the rest of the germans that made up the genocide.

              Similarly you repeatedly dismiss a key historical event in the palestinian conflict beginning. The brittish gave palestinian land to jews. Land which housed the majority of the palestinians at the day. How can you expect that to work in any case? Even if Hamas didn’t exist palestinians would have the right to reclaim own land and conflict would be unevitable.

              Let’s forget the good/bad reasoning and face the issue from it’s root, which is a mere territorial dispute.

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    I saw an estimate of Hamas being 20-25k people. And they are operating in an area with 2M people.

    So few people against so many.

    Looks very much like there is 2M Hamas.

    Because if 2M people would want to stop the 25k terrorists they could do it with less casualties than what Hamas claims Israel is inflicting while fighting the terrorists.

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    How to make the enemy commit war crimes and get everyone on your side during wartime 101: Use hospitals/schools as militaty base.

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          Another highlight for the “most important” lines:

          The claims were remarkably specific — that five hospital buildings were directly involved in Hamas activities; that the buildings sat atop underground tunnels that were used by militants to direct rocket attacks and command fighters; and that the tunnels could be accessed from inside hospital wards. The assertions were backed by “concrete evidence,” Israel Defense Forces spokesman Daniel Hagari said as he laid out the case in an Oct. 27 briefing.

          The Post’s analysis shows:

          • The rooms connected to the tunnel network discovered by IDF troops showed no immediate evidence of military use by Hamas.
          • None of the five hospital buildings identified by Hagari appeared to be connected to the tunnel network.
          • There is no evidence that the tunnels could be accessed from inside hospital wards.