You’re old, straight, white and rich, motherfucker – YOU’RE going to be “ok.” Everyone else is fucked.
Mildly? I’m radicalized as fuck. This is the most infuriating shit. Fucken useless ass democrats are only good at constructing elaborate and expensive footguns. They couldn’t read the fucken room and hear people screaming for any change at all.
I’ve changed man, since then. I don’t know how I feel about the Democrats, but I’m devastated over who voted Republican. So many people in this country voted for him. It wasn’t just we had low turnout, but also just that he had so much. That’s the disheartening thing for me, that still, with everything we know, he still carries 50% of this country easily. So yeah, we had too few, but worse, he has too many.
Right? I found pre-election solace in knowing that even though his cult will never turn on him, he couldn’t have possibly gotten MORE supporters in the past 4 years.
Turns out they LOVE the hate and they want more of it.
Sorry, Mindless Americans, it’s not Trump’s fault anymore, it’s YOURS.
That’s what I’ve come around to. It’s not him. He’s a figurehead that we apply blame but it’s not. It’s the people - the public. They want this. They have the fear and the hate, they actively want it. If America didn’t want him, they wouldn’t have voted him in. Even with tampering/whatever, if America didn’t, he wouldn’t be there. But America does want him, and that’s a very sobering and sad thought to me. I try to live with a simple code - do what you want, as long as it doesn’t hurt others. I learned yesterday that most American’s don’t have similar values.
IMO that’s way off base. People want change. They know they’re getting screwed, and the grifter is promising change. He’s lying and I think most people know that, but the fact that they’d take a convicted felon over what the DNC offered up is a crushing repudiation.
Bernie would’ve mopped the floor with Trump, because he also offers change. Someone like Obama would’ve too, even though there was a paucity of actual change during his terms.
We need to drag the DNC kicking and screaming off of the corporate dick it’s sucking, and get it left enough to offer real change, and people will vote for it in droves.
Part of me blames the collective memory loss of the COVID years and a complete lack of understanding of cause and effect.
It’s like everyone forgot there was this massive global pandemic which absolutely killed entire industries. And even though the important parts were propped up during the lean times by government support, that support ended eventually, with the economy still a mess that couldn’t just be put back together like nothing happened.
I mean, people at that time didn’t even have a concept of what was going on. They have no idea how much money was spent keeping the lights on. People lost their shit over the billions it would cost to forgive student loans, but had no idea how many more billions were already spent on—and abused by—businesses whose pandemic loans were forgiven by the government.
Everyone forgot the pandemic was only as bad as it was in the US because it was so completely mishandled by the Trump administration. We could have had everything back to normal a lot sooner if there was even a little bit of national preparedness, not to mention if we didn’t have all the misinformation spread by his own administration.
So when the economy went to shit in 2021-2022 during the Biden administration, people shrugged their shoulders and put the blame on the old man in the white house, despite the fact that it’s been on a recovery trend during this last year. And so Trump’s first year is going to start with stronger markets, he’ll get the credit, and then things will get worse just in time for someone else to take the blame for it.
It doesn’t matter how well “the economy” recovered from Covid, when you see stuff like this:
https://inequality.org/facts/income-inequality/
Trump isn’t going to fix that, but Biden already didn’t, and FPTP means you get your pick of those two options.
Do you have figures that include 2024? That data seems to stop at 2021. Not saying you’re wrong but the picture being painted is just Biden’s first year as president during the height of the pandemic.
Comparing things like rates of inflation and the consumer price index, we see the numbers drop dramatically within the past two years, which seems to have been improving cost of living somewhat (or, ruining less quickly, at least) for the average American, though there is still a lot more to be done.
How is voting for a literal past president any kind of change? America chose hate and blame this week.
He will bring lots of change. None of it good, but the DNC should view that as a crushing repudiation of their approach. They can’t even blame the Electoral College, they fucked up that badly. Hopefully they’ll learn a goddamn thing or two and run someone offering positive change.
It was incredibly hard to fight the constant youtube and tiktok right-wing extremism that they’ve been fed. They’ve been taught to hate women and minorities so much that they vote for literal Hitler.
Apparently people see him as the strongman lesser evil who’s gonna bring back economy, “fix” illegal immigration (both of which the current administration has done), and keep status quo on energy and abortion. I blame the Democrats for not campaigning on their successes.
They DID campaign on their successes, but nobody believed that anything had gotten better because they still couldn’t afford groceries.
The food scarcity percentage (sometimes or often not being able to afford groceries) is down 1%, but yeah it might not be noticeable. I don’t think Harris’s campaign did anything substantial on the other economic stuff, though. In trying to campaign a message of change, it seems like they neglected their incumbent successes and failed at both.
I’ve tried talking to trumpers to point out the double standards, contradictions, and outright lies. They don’t listen, just ad hominem or whatabout out of it.
So much whatabout. Are they actually convincing themselves this way, or do they realize it’s stupid but just don’t have anything else to say?
Trump sexually assaulted people and was convicted of fraud.
Whatabout Hillary’s emails and Hunters laptop?
First off, those people aren’t running for president AND it’s not fucking RAPE AND FRAUD!!!
I’ve tried talking and that doesn’t work, I’ve also tried being kind and all that shit no dice. But everyone gets upset when I say let’s shoot them, so please tell me more about how it’s my fault.
I’ll say it for you. Thomas Crooks was THIS close to being an American hero.
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Nobody seemed to mind when Hans Gruber fell from Nakatomi Plaza.
Or when the Wicked witch of the West got splashed with water.
Or when The Death Star exploded.
And I don’t give a fuck how rapists and felons, and the people that defend them, feel about what I say.
You forgot all the failed Hitler assassinations, nobody cried over those either
Republicans actively work for an uneducated population they can rule. That’s the root of this problem.
The research is out, more educated people are more likely to vote Democrat, but if you ever point that out, all you get back is “I know YOU are, but what am I?”
At least 1930s Germans could say their cizenry didn’t vote for Hitler. We Americans can’t say the same. I’m so ashamed of snd angry at my fellow Americans.
Did we have low turnout?
Last numbers I saw is that Trump more or less got the same amount of votes as 2020 while Harris got 15 million less votes than Biden.
Don’t forget we only have about 87% reporting right now. So far turnout seems on track to be about the same as 2020.
I’m radicalized too. Wanna start a club? We could be the happy fun clan against fascism. Need a shorter name though
No, I want to join an existing massive one and change it at its very core to be something radical that we can wield. Wait a minute…
lets call it the antifascism club. antifa for short.
How about the Kool Kids Klan?
Nah. Gotta shorten it. Just abbriviate it, and help me with these white sheets. We need to maks ghost costumes.
The media completely failed at their job of informing the public.
A democracy requires an informed citizenry, and the US media over the past eight years in particular created an increasingly misinformed citizenry.
When people are more concerned that a trans girl might play on a softball team than that the climate crisis might profoundly devastate the biosphere and much of life on it, human and otherwise, for the next 10,000 years, the media has failed. When people worry about crime when it is low, an economy when it is thriving and immigrants when they do much of the hard work that sustains that economy and commit fewer crimes than the native-born, the media has failed.
When it came to Donald Trump, they went easy on him, and they again and again let him and the far right set the agenda. They constantly treated asymmetrical issues as symmetrical ones – if the Democrats resisted Republican outrages, both sides were “polarized”. In the media everything had two sides, even if one side was the truth and the other was the lie, one side was the human rights or the law and the other side was their violation.
They went soft on Trump’s criminality and incompetence, and his sheer volume of scandals meant that the past ones were forgotten as the next one erupted. He would not have won his 2016 minority victory had the US news media adequately conveyed that Trump was not the fun fictional character in the reality TV show The Apprentice; he was a serially bankrupt man repeatedly accused of sexual assault with a lot of criminal ties and a history of not paying his bills, being helped on by the Vladimir Putin regime, which had itself seriously corrupted the information environment of the election.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/nov/07/us-progressive-election-trump-maga
Or maybe what media thinks their job is isn’t what you think it should be. Maybe the media is deliberately promoting fascism for profit, has become our enemy, and needs to be destroyed.
I can’t really blame the Democrats. The public is who failed. The Democrats ran a sane adult. That alone should have been enough to beat Trump.
No its not when people are in agony. To them, this is their torch. This is how fascism rises.
We made it through the Recession and COVID-19, but now people are in agony? No fucking way. They chose fascism because they are awful.
Yeah. Fascism rises further because Americans voted for it, not because of the candidate.
More important to have a Chad than anything.
The Democrats didn’t turn out to vote for Kamala, so yes, you can still blame the Democrats.
“The American experiment endures,”
I would say it just failed. I’m sorry but a system that elects a rapist, a 34 times convicted felon, one who defrauds students, cages children, takes away human rights, praises nazi’s and dictators, and this was just the first term. I’m sorry but by any metric I care to meaure it by this is a failed experiment.
You forgot about the millions of people that died because of his Covid response
Right, I barely scratched the surface.
And this is exactly what’s wrong with the Democrats, and why Biden never should’ve run. They’re too comfortable in their big houses with all their money and privilege. They have no fucking idea what it’s like for most Americans, and clearly they don’t care because they’ve never had to. There is no party in the US to fight for regular people, so they didn’t vote.
They are shit but they cant be alarmist reactionaries either. They need change but trying to encourage stability and console people isnt the worst
Except that they’ve spent the last 6 months telling everyone that it’s a choice between them and fascism. Then when fascism comes they’re like “oh well, we tried”.
I’m just hoping that this loss will eventually make the Dems look inward, but I’m not holding my breath when he’s saying shit like this.
I remember everyone saying the exact same in 2016. “Maybe Dems will reflect.” Other than putting up a white man for 2020, I can’t see a single difference in their approach ever since.
They basically did the same thing, but without super delegates. If the primaries are so corrupt that we just keep losing anyways, then we have no choice but to vote for a third party.
Very valid point, just goes to show the hyperbolic shit flinging that is the core of American politics.
Fascism is something to be alarmed about! It’s an existential threat to democracy!
The Democrats had 4 years to do something about it and didn’t. “Vote for us or else” is not a long term strategy, all it takes is losing one or two elections.
They had 24 years. We’ve objectively needed a clone-independent voting system since 2000.
And this is exactly what’s wrong with the Democrats, and why Biden never should’ve run.
Biden was there to beat Bernie.
There is no party in the US to fight for regular people, so they didn’t vote.
Greens are still here! I think we got 600,000 votes this year.
A vote for Stein this year was a vote for Trump. Vote green in your local and state elections to get support growing, don’t vote for them for president when they aren’t even on enough ballots to win and the alternative is a literal hitler-worshipper.
Edit - Stein was actually on the ballot in 38 states so she technically could’ve won. I was thinking of Claudia De la Cruz and the PSL party - I have the same sentiment with them this election. These two divided the left and only benefited Trump. Vote green or PSL in your local elections and grow support for the non-democrat left.
Stein was on enough ballots to win. You’re thinking of Claudia de la Cruz maybe.
Oh my bad - stein was actually on the ballot in 38 states so she could’ve won if she won almost all of them, but the chances of that are low enough to not even hope it could’ve worked.
Are you fucking kidding me, Jill Stein is your answer? Jill I don’t know how many people are in the House of Representatives and I refuse to call Putin a war criminal Stein?
Do you have a better idea?
Yea, if you want more leftist policies than right, vote and work with Democrats at the federal level and try to get Ranked voting in more places. Exactly like Bernie has. Continue to support your third party in local until they become able to actually get folks elected to even a Senate post. As long as the Green Party can’t even manage to get the most hippy district in the nation to get a single House Rep elected you might as well just cast your vote for Bob Ross.
Fuck the Green party. Jill Stein crawls out of its crypt every 4 years to spend russia’s money and steal progressive votes away from the Democratic candidate.
Rich old white dudes are going to be ok.
“nothing will fundamentally change”
Aw man…I’m just a broke middle aged white guy…
Hate to break it to you, we’re still near the top of the heap.
Honestly him getting re-elected is the first time in my life where I felt the absolute gravity of “Oh, THIS is white privilege” like theres no fuckin nuance to this. I’m straight, white and middle aged. If I say the right things I’ll probably be fine, not much is going to change for me.
I cant say the same for a lot of other people.
I know what you mean, but I think lying under racism is classism, and the trumpers are a party to service rich people. I doubt they will take care of their “base”. Did Trump do anything for the impoverished whites last time? I dont remember.
He gave them table scraps while feasting with his cronies (remember those COVID checks?).
I mean, you say that, but even straight white guys often have wives and/or daughters.
“I know people are still hurting, but things are changing rapidly. Together we’ve changed America for the better. Now we have 74 days to finish the term, our term. Let’s make every day count.”
Jesus fucking Christmas. Nothing will penetrate his perfect shield of fantasy.
Well I mean, what would you say in that position? It’s hardly going to help any to come out and announce that everything is fucked and you’d probably also be pretty disinclined to say nothing of note was achieved in your own administration or that there isn’t really enough time to do much of anything in the remaining period.
The beginning and end of Leadership is accountability. The Dems refuse to accept their part in this loss.
The President and Vice President have zero outward indications that this is personally painful to them, at all. If anything, they seem relieved to be passing the potato. If they are so out of touch, or so insulated from the pernicious outcomes of their doleful stewardship of this country, then WHY should voters place their trust in that party again, considering it’s been helmed and staffed by the same obstinate members for decades?
I don’t see Leadership, I see a kind of craven capitulation, at a time when America most needs its leaders to have fire in their bellies, and compassion in their eyes.
He could resign right now and let Kamala finish the term, ruining the millions of dollars of “47” merch on the market.
LMAO!
It’s hardly going to help any to come out and announce that everything is fucked
Yes it fucking would! That kind of honest assessment of reality is exactly what millions of working-class people have been clamoring for from Democrats for years now and not fucking getting!
And by “millions,” I mean more than the margin of victory.
Not encouraging in the context of implementing harm reduction in the short time we have left. This stupid old fuck is going to smile and nod his way into the grave while wishing us all the best.
We aren’t going to be okay. Stop saying it’s going to be okay. Project 25 is not okay, turning Gaza into a crater is not okay, banning abortion is not okay, cutting Medicare is not okay. None of this shit is okay. Stop trying to sit and act like being cordial is going to make the right go, “Well, they’re being so nice about it.” We fucked up, and we need to face the consequences.
He just means technically we will probably survive. Maybe.
And he’s weong.
Easy for his old, rich, white ass to say.
My immigrant ass is terrified.
How’s the rest of your body doing?
My overstay torso is horrified
Thoughts and prays to your overstay torso, what ever the fuck that is.
overstay torso
It happens to a lot of people after their mid 20’s. Damned slow ass metabolism.
If it helps, there’s absolutely no way Biden is getting out of this unscathed unless he leaves the country too.
Biden: The American people need a message of hope in these dark times
The American people: goddamn it you senile bastard we needed an action plan not platitudes
as long as I did goodest job it’ll be okay
where are my jellybeans?
Man, fuck Reagan for the deregulation that brought us Sinclair and Faux News!
I thought he wanted ice cream
He forgot.
Fair lol
3 days ago, it was going to be the last election, the ultimate election, the end times, the end of democracy. Now we’ll be fine?
Pre-election Dems and post-election Dems cannot both be right. One of the two is lying.
it’s just that democrats give republicans too much good faith and try to be the better people; both things can be true.
So… pre-election Democrats were not being the better people??? I really don’t get this.
I am convinced that Project 2025 is coming to your country and that trumpism is the most dangerous modern day neo-fascist strain. I actually believe the pre-election Democrats. You don’t appease fascism, you don’t give it good faith, you resist it, you fight it, you crush it.
This about-face of the post-election Democrats is insane and it feeds directly into the “boy who cried wolf” narrative that the Right is pushing. Not to mention they are normalizing trumpism.
pre election democrats were literally warning about everything that has been planned since tuesday…
the point is democrats always go the high road with “ok we must work together” regardless of what evil shit republicans do because they put too much (imo) trust in the jimmy stewart era
I have never felt a desire to become a terrorist. Until Tuesday night.
Fuck off Biden, now’s the time to use that presidential immunity you just got to attack enemies of the state before your term ends. It’s legal!
Seriously, Joe, go out with some fireworks.
What a fucking tool.
Good job, Biden. You care so much about your legacy? Guess what: your legacy is now “one of the hubristic egotistical dipshits that made so many unforced errors that you basically opened the fucking door for the fascists to take over”. You’ll be remembered alongside the likes of Neville Chamberlain and Paul von Hindenburg. You absolute fucking chode. You lost the fucking republic.
‘We’re going to be OK’ is copium for ‘we’re not ok now.’
I thought the headline was not conveying the emphasise. “We’re going to be ok” says member of the owning class.
Guy surrendering power says it’s gonna be okay.
Guy taking power says we’re coming for you motherfuckers.
Hm, who to believe?
The people who say its all ok will be spared, motherfucker… they hope.
Yeah, no kidding.
No, it’s fine. We don’t do lesser evilism here so it’s fine. /s
“Something I hope we can do no matter who you voted for is see each other not as adversaries but as fellow Americans, Bring down the temperature.”
No. Human rights aren’t a disagreement. We can disagree on whether or not we enjoyed a movie or on what pizza toppings we prefer. But if the disagreement is that you want to kill me or people I care about, you are, by definition, my adversary.
Careful. This is what many said about the genocide in Gaza. That genocide wasn’t something to brush off. That there was nothing more serious.
What is your actual point without sarcasm?
