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Well I think we’re gonna see another influx
Can confirm. That’s why im here. Figured I’d just jump earlier with the whole avoiding US companies vibe too.
Yea, I’m one.
one of us one of us
Yep, hi, here am I. Usually I think news like these are fearmongering for clickbait, like those old “Facebook is going to be paiiidd!” (As if “being free” wasn’t at the very core of its appeal and selling point) but reading the room this day and age I don’t think I’d be that surprise if a change like that did happen to Reddit. The only good think about this shitstorm of an age is that it made me find the fediverse and I will never forgive myself for not caring enough to find it earlier.
a few days ago i saw how r/redditalternatives has only “lemmy bad!” posts and i know for a fact folks here have been spreading the word about lemmy in a positive way so don’t blame yourself, reddit has been actively censoring any good thing said about lemmy or the fediverse in general
i looked marginally deeper into this and it’s apparently all the way to shadow bans :) link
seems like its posted around the same time reddit started banning people in large numbers.
Oh, so that’s why I saw some post about reddit alternatives and the person replying had to mask lemmy. Oh wow.
Same, just got fed up about all this bullshit and degoogled every device in my life, as time passes we get more and more exploited by these giant companies.
Seems like a bad time to be introducing such a thing in the immediate future when European users are already seeking out alternatives to US tech giants and US users are losing their jobs and facing rising grocery prices.
I hope all the lemmy instances are ready for a surge of users. Let’s encourage redditors to join Lemmy and learn the kinks and quirks by trial and error. Let’s be kind to the newcomers.
This is the mindset to have when new people discover anything you enjoy. Great way to put it.
Welcome to Lemmy former redditors
The revolution will be televised; behind a paywall.
The revolution will have a subscription.
You will not own the revolution and you will like it.
Thanks. I just switched - apparently just in time!
Me too friend!!
The only subreddit you need is
r/redditseppuku
Thanks, I love you too.
Yeah I signed in for the first time in like a year right after seeing this lol
As soon as I read that I thought I’d make an account here.
Welcome! It’s weird here, but it’s great.
Same, fresh refugee here. I’ve tried mastodon before and I didn’t feel good with Fediverse, but only because I never really used Twitter. Surprisingly I only discover Reddit few weeks ago (to properly spend some time there… where was I all these years lol) I’m starting to like this fediverse though 😁
Honestly, same. Mastodon is fine if you like the Twitter format, but I never did. Lemmy works for me, largely cuz Reddit also worked for me, until the API debacle.
same! just hopped on today, for both that reason and because friends are here now as well :)
Welcome! Hope you like it here. I’m happy to see people are jumping ship despite the “it’s too complex to switch to Lemmy” false narrative.
Just gotta compare it to signing up for an email. You gotta choose a provider.
I personally don’t really like that analogy. With email, you can send and email to anyone who has an email address. You can only see emails you have received after creating your email account. It’s simple and clear. With the fediverse, for past posts, you can see some: only if it was posted on your instance or if someone on your instance was following them when it was originally posted or has interacted with it since, meaning there is some technicality that prevents you from seeing everything you think you should be able to see.
In terms of account creation, I agree. Just pick a provider (instance), if you don’t like it you can create a new account somewhere else later.
I think the analogy will hold only because the problems you’ve presented should get worked out over time. I feel the same with how fediverse links work and how it interacts with your Lemmy account (like it’s super easy to link a fediverse comment/post, just a little harder to get from your account instance to that link where you can interact with it).
My first Lemmy account was on a little instance where I had to go through subscribing, like you said, for those instance feeds to pop up. I also see that as just another wrinkle that will be ironed out over time, as the setting up and hosting of instances becomes more mainstream (well from at least it’s current state).
Saaaame
Same here.
service that owes its popularity largely to its low barrier to entry signals higher barriers to entry
cool! please do.
The whole reason reddit became as popular as it is now is because of bots in the beginning. The founders admitted as much.
and bot is the reason its still active, i think i read a reddit post about how most of the bots on the site are from places like RUSSIA, sowing dissent with thier troll farms. it make sense since reddit isnt doing much to removing much of those bots, instead targeting people like us and OF FANs. as soon as they did thier usual purges of bots, which include some from RU, reddit because eerily quiet and non-engaged(nobodies raging about what the other party did in alrge numbers), and the well known conservative subs, are silent. until the troll farms reorient thier trolls to come back. its easier for them to evade bans, because of thier resources. on some posts that were discussing it, reddit doesnt do enough against them.
In the great reddit to lemmy migration of 2023, a lot of users complained about the lack of content and engagement on lemmy. A number of lemmy moderators who came from reddit basically said the same thing and that they were working on deploying bots over here.
It looks like they did make some progress as there is a lot more content than there was 2 years ago. However, SOOOOO many niche subs just do not exist over here yet. Including most of my favs.
I am not that interested in linux or computers anymore.
i was looking at subs on here that were some of the ones i frequent on reddit, yea its a deadzones in some of the niches, no content for a year, i think alot of them went back to reddit. the ones that stay are usually the ones that get banned from reddit. the ones that are currently evading bans are on another forum(not associated with lemmy or reddit, im in one of those sites)
However, SOOOOO many niche subs just do not exist over here yet. Including most of my favs.
That is actually the only reason I come back to reddit from time to time.
Over moderation is also an issue. See the digg to reddit move in 2010 or 2011. Corporatize, moderate, lose engagement
Each time I visit a reddit link and see the word “Deleted” in OPs post, my heart fills with joy.
I deleted my history on reddit (10+ years) and am moving over here. Still figuring out how to find the communities I want but I’ll get it.
Wait REQUIRING?
so if a sub gets popular enough they can just say “pay wall.”
i think they will have a youtube/patreon type thing going on, free content on youtube, while thier patreon gets"exclusive content"
No one said he was a rocket surgeon.
Some subreddits, like r/Watchexchange, where Redditors “buy, sell or trade watches,” according to the subreddit’s description, are centered on transactions. Huffman said the fact that users are already “transacting on Reddit kind of opens the door” for such monetization.
“Hey! How dare you exchange things with each other without giving us a cut!”
Whole lot of “Reddit, what are you going to do about the scammers now that we’re paying you?” posts are coming. The answer is nothing. They’ll do nothing.
Actually, they’ll write their lack of culpability more explicitly into the ToS, and then do nothing.
Actually, they’ll write their lack of culpability more explicitly into the ToS, and then do nothing.
Ugh, aCtUaLly the almighty Reddit Admins and
janitorsModerators will act decisively to ban anyone who dares use the report button.The problem is the existence of the complaint, so this solves the problem
I’m wondering how they would charge people. Who would pay for a subreddit they’ve never been to? Could a non-paying user view the subreddit but be unable to post/comment?
Could a non-paying user view the subreddit but be unable to post/comment?
Doubtful. If I remember the statistic correctly, 95% of social media users are lurkers. Greedy Little Pigboy wouldn’t pass up the opportunity to milk the remaining 19/20 users.
pigs are intelligent beings. Spaz is not intelligent. Don’t insult pigs this way. :
Scroll down a few times and – “THERE’S A WHOLE LOT MORE TO SEE WITH REDDIT+”
and then, get exclusive content, from reddit+ prenium.
Let’s be honest - this will kill many subreddits. Of course some mods will start a paid subreddit next to an existing one and try to bring their users to subscribe. So expect those subs to become like those YouTubers who are constantly trying to push you to their Patreon.
or they allowed subs, but with immense amount of ads: require to watch video, or watch this ad for a certain of time to use it for free. just basing it off how aggressively youtube, facebook does it.
Could easily see certain subreddits being like OF or Patreon. Pay for access to content. Pretty tried and true business model and it will probably work well enough to keep it around.
Even YouTube has “memberships” to channels now where you get bonus content and stuff.
The people that are interested will pay and those that aren’t won’t.
Dollars to donuts it’s going to immediately devolve into an onlyfans competitor
could be something like a private sub, where only approved members can enter.
thats why they have been aggressively going after OF subs/bots this month, they arnt getting a slice from the profit they are earning externally. from another forum,(where people flee after getting banned this way) alot of them lost tons of accts recently. yup one of my accts was temp ban for using the report button, how many is too much? it depends on the mod and the sub, if they dont like that you are reporting are reporting a person that should be reported, or the comment, you get banned for report abuse. these bans seems much severe than a subreddit ban.
To be honest, this is actually a genius move when it comes to NSFW content.
Almost every pornographic sub has already been astroturfed by e-girls plugging their OnlyFans and Fansly links. Giving them the ability to paywall their content directly on Reddit effectively cuts out the middle-man and allows Reddit to undercut the likes of OF and Fansly with lower transaction fees.
Let me guess. These will be the AI-content subreddits, right?
Nope, the NSFW and OF ones.
They’re trying to direct creators to stay on Reddit instead of just using it for an advertising platform
Just remember, when the barrier to entry is low then the quality of participants declines.
Edit: I just realized that I should have specified an intellectual barrier. In the case of Lemmy that’s the minuscule technical understanding or research ability needed to sign up and get on an instance. It’s amazing how just that tiny obstructions helps keep out the dumbest of Reddit users.
When the barrier is monetary, are you really getting the best folks?
A quick visit to Twitter would make the answer abundantly clear - no
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Yes let’s put a site that consists pretty much entirely of user-created content behind a paywall, what could possibly go wrong?
Well, Spez is a special kind of stupid.
I think people who are content with Reddit being the way it is deserve someone like Spez.
The users still on reddit are even dumber than him
digg v5 just dropped
Quora did it. I don’t go there anymore.
was Quora ever good? I joined the internet in like 2019 and it’s always been garbage to me, did I miss its golden age?
Anecdotally, I remember using it for answers to things about probably business, government, and certain how-to’s. I also remember when the pop-over banner started covering up half the answers and that’s around the time I stopped.
Here’s a post discussing quora from Dec 2018.
all philosophical views aside, there are some really core issues that got me to stop using Quora and unfortunately the case to stop using it is made by the site itself:
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The content quality has deteriorated significantly since the site’s inception. The content is far cheaper than before and far less interesting in very obvious ways.
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Moderation systems have not done a good job of growing the site as a community. The site has lost the character that drew many people to it in the first place.
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The machine learning models terribly over-fit to user signals, creating a frustrating experience.
These 3 core issues with the site are what got me to gradually stop using it as someone who was initially an early adopter.
thank you for the explainer, this is very interesting. seems reddit is following along this path lol
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Once upon a time, Quora was okay, before they started paying people to generate a bunch of yahoo answers questions / AI slop questions, and then fucked with the UI and made their site into a virtually unusable mess.
i’m getting reddit vibes, that makes sense. classic enshittification
Don’t lie. When 70% of your search results are Quora, you are going to click, you are going to encounter the login banner, you are going to rage, and you are going to click away.
Nope, those “answers” didn’t help even once, so now they’re filtered out of search results, and DNS banned. Quora does not appear on my devices.
I’ve had some help from Quora, but overall I feel it wastes my time a lot more than not. And I’ve never had an instance where only Quora had the answer.
This why it pays to use a search engine that lets you blocklist sites
So like Google 15 years ago when it was still kind of not shit?
Any recommendations?
Or use the ublocklist extension, this puts a button besides all search results to perma ban that domain and allows URL lists like this for automatic garbage removal.
At the risk of sounding like a shill, I like Kagi.
Even when the login banner doesn’t appear, lately all the answers are “Hm, it appears that you are trying to do [question title]. To do [question title], [basic bitch advice]. Hope this helps!” Style AI slop.
When it isn’t the built-in AI helper doing it, it’s the users blatantly copying from different chatbots
Isn’t it mostly bot-generated content?
How the hell would I know?
Time to move on over here I guess.
