This should be the sticking point to invoke the 25th. Officials need to be loud and make a stink about how Trump can’t tell fact from clear fiction and therefore cannot perform the duties of the office. Make the people of America see the image on the news everyday and make those on his side say out loud if they think it’s fake or real. Half of the masses will never be convinced that he lacks the morality to lead until they’re already in his camps. This is the earliest clear as day moment to act on that which cannot be held to subjective scrutiny or partisanship.
If you guys didn’t watch the interview it’s (to no one’s surprise) fucking embarrassing. Terry keeps trying to move on while remaining firm and Trump just sits there being an argumentative shit because Terry refuses to budge. Good on him for keeping his journalistic integrity, and another pile of dicks to Donnie boi to suck.
How do you do it? How do you sit through it without ripping your ears off? I cant stand listening to the guy. Even a toddler sounds more cohesive… The moment I hear his voice I feel like my brain just killed a million brain cells out of protest.
Honestly the entire time I was suffering but basically was interested in the dude doing the interview. Yeah it hurt. A lot. I think I lasted a minute.
Trump is delusional. He also said in the interview that tourism has gone up and that the world’s respect fir America has improved
Wait for the numbers, the real numbers!11
These ones are real, though:
Can someone explain these to me? They seem like Neo Nazi tattoos.
“Ne desit virtus” is the slogan of the 187 infantry regiment of the 101st Airborne Division. It means “Let Valor Not Fail”. That image above that slogan is the unit patch.
We infantry dudes usually have tattoos like this, nothing “Nazi” or “Fascist” about it.
However, as an enlisted grunt, the infantry officers, like Major Hegseth, are a different breed.
They seem that way because they are that way.
That’s US Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth, and they are.
I’m not trying to defend the guy at all but those tattoos are not exclusively used by neo-nazis whatsoever and come from the Christian crusades originally. It’s the Jerusalem cross.
I will also say that that drusen cross has been used in some Neo-Nazi symbolism along the way so it’s not really a get out of jail free card either.
“It’s cool guys, this swastika on my chest is totally just a hindu symbol.”
“I’m just a history buff, even though I have literally shown zero indication that I give a shit about history in any other context”
There is no point in giving context here. The context is a lie. It’s literally the definition of a dog whistle.
You don’t know what army patches and slogans are, but you think it’s a lie lol wow
Since none of you actually bother to learn anything here’s your spoon feeding session:
The Jerusalem Cross is a Christian symbol, also known as the Crusader’s Cross, consisting of a large central cross (a cross potent) surrounded by four smaller Greek crosses. It is often interpreted as representing the four Evangelists and the spread of the gospel, or the five wounds of Christ. The cross is closely associated with the Kingdom of Jerusalem and the Equestrian Order of the Holy Sepulchre. Here’s a more detailed look: Symbolism: Four Evangelists: . The four smaller Greek crosses are often associated with the four Evangelists (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John). Spread of the Gospel: . The arrangement of the crosses can symbolize the spread of the gospel to the four corners of the earth. Five Wounds of Christ: . Some interpretations suggest the five crosses represent the five wounds of Jesus on the cross. Jerusalem: . The Jerusalem Cross is strongly linked to Jerusalem, particularly the Latin Patriarchate and the Equestrian Order of the Holy Sepulchre, which are dedicated to supporting Christianity in the Holy Land. History: Crusades: The Jerusalem Cross gained prominence during the Crusades, particularly with the founding of the Kingdom of Jerusalem. Latin Patriarchate: It was adopted as the chief banner of the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem and is now the emblem of the Latin Patriarchate. Order of the Holy Sepulchre: The cross is the official emblem of the Equestrian Order of the Holy Sepulchre, a Catholic order dedicated to supporting Christianity in the Holy Land. Modern Usage: The Jerusalem Cross continues to be used by various Christian organizations and is also found on the national flag of Georgia and some other Christian contexts. In essence, the Jerusalem Cross is a rich symbol of faith, the Gospel, and the Holy Land, with historical ties to the Crusades and ongoing relevance within various Christian communities…
Oh sick! I too can put together a technically correct wall of text justifying a symbol ruined by fascism that has no initial fascist roots:
The Hindu swastika, known in Sanskrit as svastika (स्वस्तिक), is an ancient and sacred symbol that predates many modern religions and is deeply woven into the spiritual and cultural fabric of Hinduism. Etymologically, svastika is derived from the root “su” (meaning “good” or “well”) and “asti” (“to be”), together forming a word that can be interpreted as “that which is associated with well-being” or simply “auspicious.” The swastika has been used in the Indian subcontinent for over 5,000 years, with archaeological examples appearing as early as the Indus Valley Civilization (c. 2500 BCE), long before its appropriation in modern history.
In Hinduism, the swastika is a symbol of auspiciousness, prosperity, and good fortune. It represents the eternal nature of Brahman, the ultimate reality or universal soul in Hindu thought, and the cyclical nature of life, death, and rebirth (samsara). The symbol is deeply connected to cosmic order (ṛta) and balance. It is often drawn during rituals, festivals, and on temple entrances, doorways, and sacred objects to invoke divine blessings and protect against negative influences. It is also a common sight in Hindu weddings, religious ceremonies, and housewarmings, where it sanctifies the space and denotes sacred intent.
Understanding the Hindu swastika requires acknowledging it as one of the world’s oldest sacred symbols, one that has long represented cosmic harmony, divine presence, and the pursuit of spiritual well-being. To reduce it solely to its modern misappropriation is to obscure millennia of profound spiritual meaning, making it essential to distinguish and respect its original, deeply rooted cultural context.
Now let’s all go tattoo swastikas on our bodies; you go first!
You are comparing something that is widely prevalent in Nazism (a swastika, FAMOUS symbolism) to something that most people couldn’t identify with a gun to their head. Not the same context.
Aw, cute wall of text. Thanks for providing nothing of value. Now do the swastika.
I know the context. It’s still a lie. People with that cross on their chest don’t give a shit about its actual history. Dog whistles involve barely plausible deniability, like the distant origins of nazi symbols.
Enjoy defending fascists though.
None of those tats are neo-nazi affiliated lmao
If you think that the army patch and the slogan “Ne desit virtus” are Nazi affiliated, you’re an idiot.
“We the People”? It’s in the preamble in the constitution.
And because he has Christian symbols, that makes him a fascist Nazi?
Wow. And you think maga is a cult.
I’m not defending fascism, I’m talking about symbolism and how it’s perverted and misconstrued. How about you supply evidence for YOUR argument instead of just pointing fingers and calling people names like a child?
Guy just comes over from reddit, uses reddit in his username, and proceeds to explain how the obviously nazi tattoos on the US Secretary of Defence are maybe not obviously nazi tattoos …
That’s because I READ AND LEARN ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THIS WORLD. Unlike most dumbasses that just read a headline and spew bullshit. I used reddit in my username to claim reddit is dead… so whatever the fuck that means. Go read a book.
If you read you’ve probably heard about a little something called “Occam’s razor”.
What’s the most probable answer, that a far right news host from a far right news channel is sporting his tattoos as a symbol of his love of history and the holy land, or that he’s sporting them because he’s a fucking nazi.
Nobody is denying your “history” of the symbol. We’re all well aware of the “larger story”. But it’s irrelevant because there’s an approximate 99.99999% probability that the guy who doesn’t understand the wider history of the cross is the guy that’s fucking wearing them.
You can write a thousand paragraphs “teaching people” all you want, but it’s totally irrelevant in this situation and you are only doing it in order to obfuscate the issue with meaningless nonsense.
I’m not intentionally obfuscating anything. I’m talking about the actual history of the symbols vs what people believe.
There is nothing wrong with categorizing symbols that are used for white supremacy and ethnic cleansing crusades as being “Nazi”.
You don’t need to be a German soldier in the 1930s to be a Nazi. These types of “technically” corrections are not helpful and just play into doubt for people that don’t understand history. Like yourself apparently.
Modern day Nazis aren’t tattooing swastikas. They’re running our businesses and our country.
I love how all you folks just ignore what I said and have to make some sort of point about it. All I’m talking about it where those symbols come from and they aren’t widely used as modern NEO NAZI (not Nazi) symbolism. I hope nothing but the worst for Nazi’s, NeoNazi’s, and Pete Hegseth. Fuck those people.
The reason I said what I said is that disinformation is and has been dividing us and pitting us all against each other for years. And facts matter. Understanding the history of something doesn’t make you good or evil. It’s just wisdom.
if facts mattered we wouldnt be in this whole situation to begin with.
And a swastika represents “good fortune” and “well-being” in Hindu and other Indian cultures, concepts I would support, but I still wouldn’t get it tattooed on my body because of it’s other meanings.
If this guy is ignorant of the more recent meanings, that is just as troubling as if he knew their modern interpretations. If someone had elaborate Nazi imagery all over their body, and they were truly ignorant of the meanings, I would not think that they possessed the intelligence and judgement to supervise any people or projects.
Whether he knew about it or not, it’s a problem, and this guy is in charge of the Pentagon.
okay then, let’s stop short and say they’re neo nazi dog whistles then
Maybe he just really likes ‘crusader kings V’?
that is both possible, and doesn’t invalidate that it’s also a nazi dog whistle
that’s what ya get for using dog whistles constantly
They’re not necessarily all “Neo-Nazi,” but they’re definitely Neo-Nazi adjacent.
Republicans are fucking pathetic.
Republicans no longer exist. It is the MAGA party, and it has very little in common with the Traditional GOP.
And all MAGAs are Traitors.
While I agree maga is end stage facism the GOP has been selling out the working class, escalating racism, pushing sexism, attacking unions, attacking civil rights, destroying worker protections, stealing elections, gerrymandering, bowing to corporate interests, destroying the social safety net , starting illegal wars and cutting taxes for the uber wealthy since Reagan. All these failed republican policies account for the entire national debt and then some when added up.
Full interview is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBwCUPttprw
I really wish some of these reporters would dig in and challenge him. I get that its uncomfortable, but that’s your job.
His questions should have been:
- Do you think he has MS13, marijuana, smile, cross, skull tattooed on his hands? And not added with Photoshop later?
- Are you saying this combination of tattoos is a code to identify him as a member of MS13? Because gang experts have cast doubt on this interpretation.
- How many other MS13 members have this exact combination of tattoos on his hand? If its a sign of being a member of the gang, others should have it as well.
- Do you think a vague and symbolic tattoo is proof of belonging to criminal organization?
- Does this make your Secretary of Defense a white supremacist? Because he has numerous tattoos associated with that ideology.
- Do you have any real proof Abrego Garcia is a member of MS-13? And if so why did your administration appeal his protected status in 2019?
If he is MS13, why not imprison him in the US? Did you release a known terrorist?
How I long to be able to interrogate him and just be able to grab him by the neck uncomfortably tightly when he starts spewing some non-answer shit out of his mouth.
Fully agree, however, the press has done that before and he just shuts down the question with some remark about the reporter and if they press, he walks out. Aside from physical restraint, I don’t think we will see him submit to any real questioning.
Then do it. Grill him until he walks out. Over and over. But they won’t.
I am really sick of the “mainstream media,” which is supposed to be so liberal. What passes for “journalism” these days is appalling.
When the El Salvador dictator met with HitlerPig in the Oval Office, Pam Bondi said that a plane could be sent for Garcia, but it they couldnt do it because they had no control over the landing in El Salvador. Then Trump said it wasnt up to us , it was up to El Salvador, and we couldnt control that. The the El Salvador dictator said that he couldn’t “smuggle” Garcia back to America, and he had nonl right to speak for another nation, and that it was a preposterous question.
And that was the end of it. Not one “journalist” stepped up with indignation, and said “Lets end this charade! Literally EVERY, SINGLE PERSON in the entire world that is required to make this decision is in this room right now. Nobody has to say, ‘Sounds good, let me run it past the bosses and get back to you.’ The people required to make this happen on both sides are literally sitting right next to each other. Why can’t you look at each other and agree to make it happen?” And then pushed them to cut a deal, or not, in front of the entire world.
The reporter who would have done that would have become the most famous journalist in the world at that moment. It would have totally changed the trajectory of their career, but not one of them did it. They seem to think that their job is to provide a platform for the MAGA Nazis to spew their propaganda, unchallenged.
And perhaps that is exactly their jobs, as demanded by their owners, who are Sociopathic Oligarchs and Corporations who have donated to HitlerPig’s Inauguration fund.
Yeah fash always lie.
I had a long drawn out argument with a guy who insisted that HitlerPig was saying that the “tattoo” was just labelling his other tattoos, despite his original post clearly calling it a tattoo, and multiple sunsequent statements insisting it was a tattoo.
Obviously it wasn’t a tattoo, and this guy was insistent that HitlerPig never claimed it was, when he did, over and over, and here he is, still sticking to it.
The point is that these people believe whatever nonsense they make up is the truth, despite all evidence to the contrary.
“Dont bother me with facts, my mind’s made up.”
The real reason he will justify this bullshit like that is because he has to admit hes racist otherwise, “if hes brown I want him gone from my town” basically. Ask him if we should be deporting white right wing gang members based on their tattoos and show him cropped photos of Hegseths tats.
He thinks the “M S 1 3” in #000 black Ariel font is really part of the picture.
It’s surprising Trump’s own tattoos don’t get more attention.
Trump kept insisting: “No, no: He had ‘MS’ as clear as you can be, not ‘interpreted.’"
That is astonishingly—but unsurprisingly—stupid.
It’s one thing to insist that tattoos of a weed leaf, a smily face with “x” for its eyes, a cross, and a skull are pictographs for “M S 1 3”. It’s another to be such a dumbass that you think the superimposed text trying to explain that interpretation is the tattoo.
Wait, what? I missed that detail. He thought the numbers and letters were part of the tattoo? LOL
Sweet Baby Jesus put that man in a nursing home. He shouldn’t be handling metal cutlery, let alone the nuclear launch codes.
This is the guy that stared into the sun during an eclipse.
This is the guy that thinks stealth planes are invisible.
This is the guy that thinks “clean coal” is when they dig it up then wash it.
black Ariel
(sorry; dumb joke was just sitting there)
Disney live actions are short sighted copyright renewals dumber than your joke. I’m still mad Pinnochio got Tom Hanks on that dogshit script.
I was excited for it until I watched it. Fucking creepy-ass floating head on weirdly fluttering body… I liked the acting, though!
The photo:
So just to be fair, whoever made that tried to illustrate that the 4 symbols - in their imagination - represent “M S 1 3”. Which in itself is ludicrous. And even if they did, that’s still no reason to deport him.
Anyhoo, Trump’s reply when someone dared try to explain this to him:
“That was Photoshopped? Terry, they’re giving you the big break of a lifetime. You’re doing the interview. I picked you because, frankly, I’d never heard of you, but that’s OK,” Trump said. “You’re not being very nice.”
This is everyday tyranny in action. It’s also very dumb and very delusional. Louis XIV levels.
How is this farce still going on?
But then, just yesterday I learned a little about El Salvador and their idiot president. Who am I kidding. As long as the people go with it, it’s possible no matter how ludicrous. I still say it’s social media algorithms that got us here.
Don’t forget MSM sane washing everything he does.
it’s social media algorithms that got us here
Definitely, but those that were pumped with money for fake ads to convince idiots to vote for destruction
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics
It was the combination of hyper-capitalism and the Russian playbook to destabilize the west that got us here.
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Clearly made with MS Paint 13.0. isn’t this just the watermark from MsPaint?
What is weird is that his wife did censor a photo of his hands in on of their photos recently. I feel like this is an easy thing to prove. Who knows. But we should be a bit more skeptical. Not just of Trump but our own sources.
Why the down votes. If I’m wrong on this, let me know. But let’s not bury our heads on things.
Even if MS13 he should have due process. That process is where all these questions get answered. Without it we have this shit show. But let’s not let our political vibe cause us to not question things or be skeptical. Nobody should dig in on an issue and deny based on vibes
I don’t have many social media accounts but is this legit?
That’s practically dead centre in the photo, you know, the place where people will tend to put text and emojis in the photos they take?
That could be it but I don’t know if that explains it well enough. She doesn’t owe any one that doubts her anything. But also she could shut it down with the original photo. Any of it really. If they’re saying these are cover ups, why not show a timeline that proves these weren’t covering anything up.
What pisses me off is how often I listen to sources on the left that will frame everything weirdly. Then I’ll bring it up and I’ll have someone on the right pull out details they were purposely left out on a story originally. Then I look like it up and sure enough the person on the right are correct and the left focused corners aren’t talking about half the shit.
I’d just like to see less bullshit from everybody. But it’s driving me that even though bullshit is higher on the right. We’re not far behind and it’s getting worse.
Don’t be this person. Use brain cells instead.
Birthers claimed for years that seeing Obama’s long form birth certificate would alleviate their citizenship concerns. Spoiler: it didn’t, they moved the goal posts.
Once people are identity-level invested in something being true - in this case that deportations are about public safety and not racism, because no way could they or people they respect be racist - sinking time into producing evidence for them is futile. It is no longer about facts, it’s about identity. Sometimes people break out of these self-imposed mental prisons if a main trusted person who helped lead them there loses their trust for an unrelated reason (not one that had become identity-latched). Sometimes being welcomed into a different community that fulfills those identity needs will let them see their previously identity-latched falsehoods as false. But evidence is always futile.
How do you know that we’re not invested in that though?
That’s what I’m asking. I’m not asking to prove them wrong. Why are we not asking “is this true”
Maybe I’ll wrong, have you seen any one verifying anything?
Years ago I feel like we did question things and verify things. But lately I feel we are as invested as the trumpets are
Ah yes let’s believe the man who has his hands photoshopped to look bigger, he’s such a dumb asswipe
Trump doesn’t strike me as the type to clean his rear.
Well duh, he’s too busy wiping his mouth
Orwellian in the extreme.
Holy shit. I thought this was clearly intentional propaganda targeting the very extremely dumb that would take the mistaken impression from it without any of them being on record saying the fake part, but did no one tell him?
I think it was created as a markup to explain why they thought the ambiguous tattoos were problematic, I hope they would have assumed no one would be stupid enough to think he literally had tattoos that managed to be flat perfect text in pure black in a photo.
But it turns out Trump is literally that stupid. Or it is convenient so he doesn’t have to field answers like “where’s some corroborating evidence to back up the claimed meaning”.
Of course all of this is almost beside the point. We shouldn’t be doing this in the court of public opinion, it should be in front of a real judge and if deported it should be in compliance with orders that he be deported to anywhere but Salvador, and even if someone deports to El Salvador, we shouldn’t just directly deport straight to a prison that may not even have anything to do with country of origin.
trump is the very extremely dumb.
Trump’s advisor situation has gone from yes-men to North Korean sycophant fairy tale land. If those around him saw he thought it really said “MS13” then I doubt anyone said a word, and instead probably just fed into it.
Trump is stupid. He needs to be removed from office.
Understatements of the year.
By any means necessary.
That’d be a good start.
“Photoshopped? You can’t do that, Terry.”
LOL
Unirionically our funniest president. Shame he might be our last.
I’d be happy with him being the last President… if we switched to a parliamentary system where a PM is required to form a coalition and RCV was the law of the land.
Don’t you still need a head of state? I mean Canada has the monarchy other ones have a president, yes they are mostly ceremonially.
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It was pretty funny for most of the first term. He’s been getting progressively less funny ever since.
Degeneratively so
Fair. It is easy to lose the humor when things are getting worse and worse.
Honestly I’m curious how the hell skull is even supposed to symbolize 3. A cross meaning one because “one true god” is a bit of a stretch too but the skull?
I think it’s because skull is cráneo in Spanish and so it starts with C, which is the third letter of the alphabet
That’s how conspiracy theories work. Mostly with dumb shit
I mean, gangs use symbology in their tattoos all the time. Same with Nazis. I’m not saying that’s what his tattoos mean at all, it’s just that such tattoos absolutely exist and are common.
Except this particular gang is extremely open about their tattoos and membership.
Yeah, I was going to mention that, but I’m not super knowledgeable about MS-13.
If there’s any quick 3 facts about MS13, they’re:
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The gang itself has its roots in El Salvador
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They are particularly brutal compared to their rivals
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They are very open about membership, including very obvious and large "MS13"s pretty much everywhere
It’d be like if the Hell’s Angels tattooed “Hell’s Angels” on their foreheads.
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True, but it’s not usually as coded as this or if it is, it’s a symbol that is common to all - more corporate logo than DaVinci code.
Also…
symbology
Explanation that I saw was that there are three holes - eyes and nose - in the skull. You know, besides the gaping mouth.