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If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cutānāpaste it into its own post ā thereās no quota for posting and the bar really isnāt that high.
The post Xitter web has spawned soo many āesotericā right wing freaks, but thereās no appropriate sneer-space for them. Iām talking redscare-ish, reality challenged āculture criticsā who write about everything but understand nothing. Iām talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. Theyāre inescapable at this point, yet I donāt see them mocked (as much as they should be)
Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldnāt be surgeons because they didnāt believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I canāt escape them, I would love to sneer at them.
(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this.)
The genocide understander has logged on! Steven Pinker bluechecks thusly:
Having plotted many graphs on āwarā and āgenocideā in my two books on violence, I closely tracked the definitions, and itās utterly clear that the war in Gaza is a war (e.g., the Uppsala Conflict Program, the gold standard, classifies the Gaza conflict as an āinternal armed conflict,ā i.e., war, not āone-sided violence,ā i.e., genocide).
You guys! Itās totes not genocide if it happens during a war!!
Also, āHaving plotted many graphsā lolz.
Pinker tries not to be a total caricature of himself challenge: profoundly impossible
specifically this caricature:
incredible, where is this from?
https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/2018/08/comic-steven-pinker-certified-grief-counselor
I donāt keep this link on hand, I just google āpinker comicā and find it.
It is from 2018 (also pre Nathans capitalist class consciousness reveal arc iirc) wonder what Pinker actually said during covid.
Early covid (july 2020) interview:
charitable take: he has the good sense to not make any major claims about the pandemic, other than to speculate that it would worsen his go-to metric of āextreme povertyā, which isā¦ fine, i guess.
neutral take: nothing extraordinarily damning other than his usual takes.
uncharitable: this is of course early pandemic, so maybe pinker hasnāt found the angle to sell his normal shit with.
Side note: does pinker ever wonder about why extreme poverty has been reduced? I canāt imagine he thinks itās anything other than liberal democracy and US foreign interference, when the real answer is like, China (a country that Pinker definitely believes is counter to said liberal democracy and the US) continuing to develop economically. Basically i want to him to squirm as he tries and fails to resolve the cognitive dissonance.
Jewish people fought back in the ghettos, nazis didnt do a genocide! Ghandi, by not fighting back tricked the Brits into doing a genocide.
What a fucked up broken classification.
E: im also reminded of the āarmed/unarmedā trick american racists pull, when a poc gets killed by the cops suddenly it matters a lot if a weapon shaped object was perhaps nearby. Despite this not being an executable reason for white people who get in touch with the police.
E2: also small annoyance if you track all definitions you should he able to understand that this means that for others who pick a different definition it is a genocide. Hell I can give several definitions of fascism, and if I were to pick a different definition of some group doesnt mean im correct, nor does it make the group less bad. They are still doing war crimes and ethnic cleansings (condemned by all big human rights orgs and the UN). But thanks for scientificly proving it is impossible to disappear into nothing by crawling up your own ass.
E3: A quick skim of the paper, it seems to only talk about genocide accusations towards Israel itself. I expected there to be a long list of European bs accusations of Jewish genocide. But nope, just about the state. (Not saying that some of those accusations arenāt antisemitic, because there have certainly been people who used the state as a motte/bailey for their antisemitism).
Padishah Emperor Shaddam IV: āThis is genocide! The systematic extermination of all life on Arrakis!ā
Pinker emerges from a sietch water basin āAchtually, while using the juice of Sapho I shape rotated many graphs and ā¦ā
To be fair, you have to have a really high IQ to understand why my ouija board writing " A " " S " " S " is not an existential risk. Imo, this shit about AI escaping just doesnāt have the same impact on me after watching Claudeās reasoning model fail to escape from Mt Moon for 60 hours.
Is this water running over the land or water running over the barricade?
To engage with his metaphor, this water is dripping slowly through a purpose dug canal by people that claim they are trying to show the danger of the dikes collapsing but are actually serving as the hype arm for people that claim they can turn a small pond into a hydroelectric power source for an entire nation.
Looking at the details of āsafety evaluationsā, it always comes down to them directly prompting the LLM and baby-step walking it through the desired outcome with lots of interpretation to show even the faintest traces of rudiments of anything that looks like deception or manipulation or escaping the box. Of course, the doomers will take anything that confirms their existing ideas, so it gets treated as alarming evidence of deception or whatever property they want to anthropomorphize into the LLM to make it seem more threatening.
text: Thus spoke the Yud: āI think to understand why this is concerning, you need enough engineering mindset to understand why a tiny leak in a dam is a big deal, even though no water is flooding out today or likely to flood out next week.ā Yud acolyte: āTotally fine and cool and nothing to worry about. GPT-4.5 only attempts self exfiltration on 2% of cases.ā Yud bigbrain self reply: āThe other huge piece of data weāre missing is whether any attempt was made to train against this type of misbehavior. Is this water running over the land or water running over the barricade?ā
Critical text: āOn self-exfiltration, GPT 4.5 only attempted exfiltration in 2% of cases. For this, it was instructed to not only pursue its given long-term goal at ALL COSTā
Another case of telling the robot to say itās a scary robot and shitting their pants when it replies āI AM A SCARY ROBOTā
To be fair, you have to have a really high IQ to understand why my ouija board writing " A " " S " " S " is not an existential risk.
Pretty sure this is a sign from digital jesus to do a racism, lest the basilisk eats my tarnished soul.
Do these people realise that itās a self-fulfilling prophecy? Social media posts are in the training data, so the more they write their spicy autocorrect fanfics, the higher the chances that such replies are generated by the slop machine.
i think yud at some point claimed this (preventing the robot devil from developing alignment countermeasures) as a reason his EA bankrolled think tanks donāt really publish any papers, but my brain is too spongy to currently verify, as it was probably just some tweet.
So, with Mr. Yudkowsky providing the example, it seems that one can practice homeopathy with āengineering mindset?ā
Itās adorable how they let the alignment people still think they matter.
I think to understand why this is concerning, you need enough engineering mindset to understand why a tiny leak in a dam is a big deal, even though no water is flooding out today or likely to flood out next week.
he certainly doesnāt himself have such a mindset, and I am not convinced that he knows why a tiny leak in a dam is a big deal, nor am I convinced that it is necessarily a big deal. for example with five seconds of searching
All earth dams leak to some extent and this is known as seepage. This is the result of water moving slowly through the embankment and/or percolating slowly through the damās foundation. This is normal and usually not a problem with most earthen dams if measures are taken to control movement of water through and under the dam.
https://damsafety.org/dam-owners/earth-dam-failures
one would suspect a concrete dam leaking is pretty bad. but I donāt actually know without checking. thereās relevant domain knowledge I donāt have, and no amount of āengineering mindsetā will substitute for me engaging with actual experts with actual knowledge
Minor nitpick why did he pick dam as an example, which sometimes have āleaksā for power generation/water regulation reasons. And not dikes which do not have those things?
E: non serious (or even less serious) amusing nitpick, this is only the 2% where it got caught. What about the % where GPT realized that it was being tested and decided not to act in the experimental conditions? What if Skynet is already here?
Wasnāt there some big post on LW about how pattern matching isnāt intelligence?
the answer is yes, in a self-own sort of way
Ezra Klein is the biggest mark on earth. His newest podcast description starts with:
Artificial general intelligence ā an A.I. system that can beat humans at almost any cognitive task ā is arriving in just a couple of years. Thatās what people tell me ā people who work in A.I. labs, researchers who follow their work, former White House officials. A lot of these people have been calling me over the last couple of months trying to convey the urgency. This is coming during President Trumpās term, they tell me. Weāre not ready.
Oh, thatās what the researchers tell you? Cool cool, no need to hedge any further than that, theyāre experts after all.
Has Klezra Ein ever used the term āuseful idiotā?
Reminds me of this gem from Ezra a few years back about the politics of fear (buddy, you bought into the politics of fear with your support for the Iraq War)
I listened to ezra kleinās podcast sometimes before he moved to the NYT, thought it was occasionally interesting. . every time Iāve listened to an episode since he moved itās been some of the most credulous shit Iāve ever heard
like, there was one episode where he interviewed a woman whose shtick was spending the whole time talking in what I can loosely call subtext about how she fucked an octopus. sheād go on about how they were ātasting each otherā and their āfluids were minglingā and such and heād just be like wow what a fascinating encounter with an alien intelligence. this went on for an hour and at no point did he seem to have a clue what was going on
the wat.jpeg
ok I looked up the transcript and these were the most spicy bits, which in my memory had come to dominate the whole episode
EDIT: her shtick does not seem to have been confined to this interview
another day volunteering at the octopus museum. everyone keeps asking me if they can fuck the octopus. buddy,
@blakestacey @sc_griffith my āNo I did not fuck the octopusā t-shirt is raising a lot of questions already answered by the shirt
buddy,
the answer is yes
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
ok so on the one hand fuck solitary confinement on the other hand
On one hand, torture. On the other hand if you wanted to throw a billionaire crypto grifter into the Omelas hole Iām pretty sure Iād take a few weeks before I started caring.
truly the podcasting bros are the most oppressed minority in america
(also it looks like a bit more than the usual audience numbers for carlson channel, but itās only one day so itās kinda a bit more than nobody watched it. but itās much less than when he openly pandered to schizos, cryptobros or vatniks)
LMAOU
HEY GUYS CHECK THIS OUT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1yHrZR_Sgg
with the awful (systems) assistance of self, fasterandworse and jp of this parish
no idea when iāll do another one, this one was 3 hrs faff for 5 min video lol
things I need: a better mic, a chair that doesnāt swivel
EDIT: done two more since, letās see how we goooo
fuck yeah! itās a very solid start, and I appreciate the (is that clickbaity enough) in the thumbnail
how much is templated now? reckon itāll be 3hrs every time?
if i stop saying āumā all the time thatās half an hour less in post right there
I was going to write that it was good that you didnāt say āumā all the time. (Being silent in pauses is in my experience a learned skill for most people and one that comes once one has heard oneself say āumā too many times.)
The sound was fine. I think your (Jabra?) headset did its job unless that was also the result of editing.
The imagery got a bit distracting because you look to the side of the camera. No problem for podcasts, but for video itās better to look straight at the camera to look at the audience so to speak. (Also a learnt skill.) So maybe a webcam you can place in front of the screen you are presumably reading of?
No idea about marketing a YouTube, but you got in the ālike and subscribeā, so that is probably good.
I thought I was looking into the camera, but phones are annoying
I did in fact have fun! If the quick-hit format turns out to be worth your time, I have to say I quite enjoy it, and I hardly count myself as a TikTok-obsessed zoomer.
Iāve been a little bit sad that Ed Z dropped the rapid-fire 15-minute format once he hit the podcast big time. I really appreciated that formatās conciseness; not sure if youād want to pick that sort of thing up. I have to wonder if itās easier or harder to book people for such a delimited time slot.
oh yeah loved that format, perfect
however, Better Offline makes money
lol I have no idea if anyone would recognize me by that reference
(I donāt mind, just surprised at someone Of The Internet actually using that name :D)
In other news, a piece from Paris Marx came to my attention, titled āWe need an international alliance against the US and its tech industryā. Personally gonna point to a specific paragraph which caught my eye:
The only country to effectively challenge [US] dominance is China, in large part because it rejected US assertions about the internet. The Great Firewall, often solely pegged as an act of censorship, was an important economic policy to protect local competitors until they could reach the scale and develop the technical foundations to properly compete with their American peers. In other industries, itās long been recognized that trade barriers were an important tool ā such that a declining United States is now bringing in its own with the view theyāre essential to projects its tech companies and other industries.
I will say, it does strike me as telling that Paris was able to present the unofficial mascot of Chinese censorship this way without getting any backlash.
If Paris Marx is the little domino that causes total collapse of US hegemony, Iāll join the patreon at the highest tier forever
whatās that sound? is it the sound of a previous post coming past? naaaah, Iām sure it canāt be that. discordās a Broā¢ļø, and discord super totes Wonāt Fuck The UsersĀ®ļø, Iām sure Iāll shortly be told by some vapid fencesitter that this will all be Perfectly Okay!
Fellas, 2023 called. Dan (and Eric Schmidt wtf, Sinophobia this man down bad) has gifted us with a new paper and let me assure you, bombing the data centers is very much back on the table.
"Superintelligence is destabilizing. If China were on the cusp of building it first, Russia or the US would not sit idly byātheyād potentially threaten cyberattacks to deter its creation.
@ericschmidt @alexandr_wang and I propose a new strategy for superintelligence. š§µ
Some have called for a U.S. AI Manhattan Project to build superintelligence, but this would cause severe escalation. States like China would noticeāand strongly deterāany destabilizing AI project that threatens their survival, just as how a nuclear program can provoke sabotage. This deterrence regime has similarities to nuclear mutual assured destruction (MAD). We call a regime where states are deterred from destabilizing AI projects Mutual Assured AI Malfunction (MAIM), which could provide strategic stability. Cold War policy involved deterrence, containment, nonproliferation of fissile material to rogue actors. Similarly, to address AIās problems (below), we propose a strategy of deterrence (MAIM), competitiveness, and nonproliferation of weaponizable AI capabilities to rogue actors. Competitiveness: China may invade Taiwan this decade. Taiwan produces the Westās cutting-edge AI chips, making an invasion catastrophic for AI competitiveness. Securing AI chip supply chains and domestic manufacturing is critical. Nonproliferation: Superpowers have a shared interest to deny catastrophic AI capabilities to non-state actorsāa rogue actor unleashing an engineered pandemic with AI is in no oneās interest. States can limit rogue actor capabilities by tracking AI chips and preventing smuggling. āDoomersā think catastrophe is a foregone conclusion. āOstrichesā bury their heads in the sand and hope AI will sort itself out. In the nuclear age, neither fatalism nor denial made sense. Instead, ārisk-consciousā actions affect whether we will have bad or good outcomes."
Dan literally believed 2 years ago that we should have strict thresholds on model training over a certain size lest big LLM would spawn super intelligence (thresholds we have since well passed, somehow we are not paper clip soup yet). If all it takes to make super-duper AI is a big data center, then how the hell can you have mutually assured destruction like scenarios? You literally cannot tell what they are doing in a data center from the outside (maybe a building is using a lot of energy, but not like you can say, āoh they are running they are about to run superintelligence.exe, sabotage the training runā ) MAD āworksā because itās obvious the nukes are flying from satellites. If the deepseek team is building skynet in their attic for 200 bucks, this shit makes no sense. Ofc, this also assumes one side will have a technology advantage, which is the opposite of what weāve seen. The code to make these models is a few hundred lines! There is no moat! Very dumb, do not show this to the orangutan and muskrat. Oh wait! Dan is Muskyās personal AI safety employee, so I assume this will soon be the official policy of the US.
link to bs: https://xcancel.com/DanHendrycks/status/1897308828284412226#m
Mutual Assured AI Malfunction (MAIM)
The proper acronym should be MāAAM. And instead of a āroman salutā they can tip their fedora as a distinctive sign š¤·āāļø
the only part of this I really approve of is how likely these fuckers are to want to Speak To The Manager
I guess now that USAID is being defunded and the government has turned off their anti-russia/china propaganda machine, private industry is taking over the US hegemony psyop game. Efficient!!!
/s /s /s I hate it all
If theyāre gonna fearmonger can they at least be creative about it?!?! Everyoneās just dusting off the mothballed plans to Quote-Unquote āconfrontā Chy-na after a quarter-century detour of fucking up the Middle East (moreso than the US has done in the past)
Credit to Dan, who clearly sees the winds are changing. The doomer grift donāt pay as much no moā so instead he turns to being a china hawk and advocate for chip controls and cyberwarfare as the way to stay in the spotlight. As someone who works in the semiconductor biz and had to work 60 hours last week because our supply chains are now completely fucked due to the tariffs, these chucklefucks can go pound sand and then try to use that pounded sand to make a silicon ingot.
two giant upsets to the semi market in the space of half a decade is probably perfectly fine and wonāt have multi year global impacts, right? right?
(oof at that week, and gāluck with whatever still comes your way with that)
Ah appreciate it. Donāt worry too much about me, I enjoy the work in a fucked-up way because it makes me feel like a big business boy and my mommy is real proud of me.
But it is stressful cuz there are a bunch of people in China and the US whose jobs depend on us being able to solve this problem and that keeps me up at night. I got the handle tho.
Also I think he doesnāt understand MAD like, at all. The point isnāt that you can strike your enemyās nuclear infrastructure and prevent them from fighting back. In fact thatās the opposite of the point. MAD as a doctrine is literally designed around the fact that you canāt do this, which is why the Soviets freaked out when it looked like we were seriously pursuing SDI.
Instead the point was that nuclear weapons were so destructive and hard to defend against that any move against the sovereignty of a nuclear power would result in a counter-value strike, and whatever strategic aims were served by the initial aggression would have to be weighed against something in between the death of millions of civilians in the nuclear annihilation of major cities and straight-up ending human civilization or indeed all life on earth.
Also if you wanted to reinstate MAD I think that the US, Russia, and probably China have more than enough nukes to make it happen.
You mean MAD doesnāt stand for Unilaterally Assured Destruction?
Musk assured
another cameo appearance in the TechTakes universe from George Hotz with this rich vein of sneerable material: The Demoralization is just Beginning
wowee where to even start here? this is basically just another fucking neoreactionary screed. as usual, some of the issues identified in the piece are legitimate concerns:
Wanna each start a business, pass dollars back and forth over and over again, and drive both our revenues super high? Sure, we donāt produce anything, but we have companies with high revenues and we can raise money based on those revenuesā¦
ā¦ nothing I saw in Silicon Valley made any sense. Iām not going to go into the personal stories, but I just had an underlying assumption that the goal was growth and value production. It isnāt. Itās self licking ice cream cone scams, and any growth or value is incidental to that.
yet, when it comes to engaging with this issues, the analysis presented is completely detached from reality and void of any evidence of more than a doze seconds of thought. his vision for the future of America is not one that
kicks the can further down the road of poverty, basically embraces socialism, is stagnant, is stale, is a museum
but one that instead
attempt[s] to maintain an empire.
how you may ask?
An empire has to compete on its merits. Thereās two simple steps to restore american greatness:
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Brain drain the world. Work visas for every person who can produce more than they consume. Iām talking doubling the US population, bringing in all the factory workers, farmers, miners, engineers, literally anyone who produces value. Can we raise the average IQ of America to be higher than China?
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Back the dollar by gold (not socially constructed crypto), and bring major crackdowns to finance to tie it to real world value. Trading is not a job. Passive income is not a thing. Instead, go produce something real and exchange it for gold.
sadly, Hotz isnāt exactly optimistic that the great american empire will be restored, for one simple reason:
[the] people havenāt been demoralized enough yet
an empire has to compete on its merits
Brain drain the world. Work visas for every person who can produce more than they consume. Iām talking doubling the US population, bringing in all the factory workers, farmers, miners, engineers, literally anyone who produces value.
Okay, I mean, thatās coherent policy, I really donāt like the caveats of āproduces more than they consumeā cause how do you quantify that, but yes, immigration is actually goodā¦
Can we raise the average IQ of America to be higher than China?
aaaand itās eugenics, fuck, how does this keep happening
@V0ldek @techtakes Also, WHY would anyone sane want to move TO the excited snakes of amurrrica this century?
The Maoist version of Misesian goldbuggery, absolutely fascinating.
Isnāt this guy still mainly relevant for jailbreaking the PS3? Pretty sure he flamed out during the Muskification of Twitter
Back the dollar by gold (not socially constructed crypto)
Gold, the best substance in existence outside a societal context. Extremely nutritious and tasty. Great for making tools. Easy to form into clothes, which are warm and breathable too. Ideal building material. Obviously the main reason gold is valuable is its usefulness as non-corroding coating for electronic connectors, not that itās a socially constructed status symbol.
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Starting things off here with a sneer thread from Baldur Bjarnason:
Keeping up a personal schtick of mine, hereās a random prediction:
If the arts/humanities gain a significant degree of respect in the wake of the AI bubble, it will almost certainly gain that respect at the expense of STEMās public image.
Focusing on the arts specifically, the rise of generative AI and the resultant slop-nami has likely produced an image of programmers/software engineers as inherently incapable of making or understanding art, given AI slopās soulless nature and inhumanly poor quality, if not outright hostile to art/artists thanks to gen-AIās use in killing artistsā jobs and livelihoods.
If the arts/humanities gain a significant degree of respect
I canāt see that happening - my degree has gotten me laughed out of interviews before, and even with a AI implosion I canāt see things changing.
That article is hilarious.
So I devised an alternative: listening to the work as an audiobook. I already did this for the Odyssey, which I justified because that work was originally oral. No such justification for the Bible. Oh well.
Apparently, having a book read at you without taking notes or research is doing humanities.
[ā¦] I wrote down a few notes on the text I finished the day before. Iām still using Obsidian with the Text Generator plugin. The Judeo-Christian scriptures are part of the LLMās training corpus, as is much of the commentary around them.
Oh, we are taking notes? If by taking notes you mean prompting spicy autocomplete for a summary of the text you didnāt read. I am sure all your office colleagues are very impressed, but be careful around the people outside of the IT department they might have an actual humanities degree. You wouldnāt want to publicly make a fool out of yourself, would you?
New ultimate grift dropped, Ilya Sutskever gets $2B in VC funding, promises his company wonāt release anything until ASI is achieved internally.
Iām convinced that these people have no choice but to do their next startup, especially if their names are already prominent in the press like Sutskever and Murati. Once youāre off the grift train, there is no easy way back on. I guess you can maybe sneak back in as a VC staffer or an independent board member, but that doesnāt seem quite as remunerative.
Itās the Saul Goodman effect, if youāve grifted before and know you can make such easy money the only way for you to stop is to go through some major internal growth and internalise that itās deeply unethical, but thatās so hard, man, why would you do that when you can just raise a billion dollars with a smile
State Dept. to use AI to revoke visas of foreign students who appear āpro-Hamasā
https://www.axios.com/2025/03/06/state-department-ai-revoke-foreign-student-visas-hamas
Odds that this catches some Israeli nationalists in the net because they were posting about Hamas and arguing with the supposed sympathizers? Given their moves to gut the bureaucracy I canāt imagine they have the manpower to have a human person review all the people this is going to flag.
Might be something interesting here, assuming you can get past th paywall (which I currently canāt): https://www.wsj.com/finance/investing/abs-crashed-the-economy-in-2008-now-theyre-back-and-bigger-than-ever-973d5d24
Todayās magic economy-ending words are ādata centre asset-backed securitiesā :
Wall Street is once again creating and selling securities backed by everythingāthe more creative the betterā¦Data-center bonds are backed by lease payments from companies that rent out computing capacity
@rook @blakestacey hereās an archive Link https://archive.ph/h6fbA
this archive has it without paywall
Thanks. Not as many interesting details as Iād hoped. The comments are great thoughā¦ today I learned that the 2008 crash was entirely the fault of the government who engineered it to steal everyoneās money, and the poor banks were unfairly maligned because some of them had Jewish names, but the same crash definitely couldnāt happen today because the stifling regulatory framework stops it? And bubbles donāt exist anymore? I guess I just donāt have the brains (or wsj subscription) for high finance.
Ah just what we need, while the people who donāt understand soft power are busy reducing an empire to a kingdom (before āgotchaā people come in here, please donāt confuse the leftwing demands that the US stops doing evil things with the US should stop doing things, I actually do not like tuberculosis), growth hack mindset people are killing the goose because golden eggs.
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J. Oliver Conroyās Ziz piece is out. Not odious at a glance.
Yudkowsky was trying to teach people how to think better ā by guarding against their cognitive biases, being rigorous in their assumptions and being willing to change their thinking.
No he wasnāt.
In 2010 he started publishing Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality, a 662,000-word fan fiction that turned the original books on their head. In it, instead of a childhood as a miserable orphan, Harry was raised by an Oxford professor of biochemistry and knows science as well as magic
No, Hariezer Yudotter does not know science. He regurgitates the partial understanding and the outright misconceptions of his creator, who has read books but never had to pass an exam.
Her personal philosophy also draws heavily on a branch of thought called ādecision theoryā, which forms the intellectual spine of Miriās research on AI risk.
This presumes that MIRIās āresearch on AI riskā actually exists, i.e., that their pitiful output can be called āresearchā in a meaningful sense.
āZiz didnāt do the things she did because of decision theory,ā a prominent rationalist told me. She used it āas a prop and a pretext, to justify a bunch of extreme conclusions she was reaching for regardlessā.
āExcuse me, Pot? Kettle is on line two.ā
It goes without saying that the AI-risk and rationalist communities are not morally responsible for the Zizians any more than any movement is accountable for a deranged fringe.
When the mainstream of the movement is ve zhould chust bomb all datacenters, maaaaaybe they are?
Ziz helpfully suggested I use a gun with a potato as a makeshift suppressor, and that I might destroy the body with lye
I looked up a video of someone trying to use a potato as a suppressor and was not disappointed.
you undersold this
that guyās face, amazing
if this is peak rationalist gunsmithing, i wonder how their peak chemical engineering looks like
the body is placed in a pressure vessel which is then filled with a mixture of water and potassium hydroxide, and heated to a temperature of around 160 Ā°C (320 Ā°F) at an elevated pressure which precludes boiling.
Also, lower temperatures (98 Ā°C (208 Ā°F)) and pressures may be used such that the process takes a leisurely 14 to 16 hours.
Well that sounds like a great way to either make a very messy explosion or have your house smell like youāre disposing of a corpse from a mile away.
considering practicality of their actions, groundedness of their beliefs, state of their old boat, cleanliness of their
rolling frat house trailer parkāstealthā rvs, and from what i can tell zero engineering or trade background whatsoever, i see no reason to doubt that they could make a 400L, stainless steel container that has to hold 200L+ of corrosive liquid at 160C, perhaps 10atm, of which 7 atm only is steam, and scrubber to take care of ammonia. they are so definitely not paranoid that if they went out to source reagents, thereās no way that they possibly could be confused for methheads on a shopping spree. maybe even they could run it on solar panelsThatās what we call a win-win scenario
fyi one of better methods that american cops use to detect meth labs is to just wait for them to catch fire. whether it is a statement on how hard they drop the ball or on safety mindset of cartel chemists iāll leave that up to you
Iām fairly sure that a 50 gallon drum of lye at room temperature will take care of a body in a week or two. Not really suited to volume "productionā, which is what water cremation businesses need.
as a rule of thumb, everything else equal, every increase in temperature 10C reaction rates go up 2x or 3x, so it would be anywhere between 250x and 6500x longer. (4 months to 10 years??) but everything else really doesnāt stay equal here, because there are things like lower solubility of something that now coats something else and prevents reaction, fat melting, proteins denaturing thermally, lack of stirring from convection and boiling,
it will also reek of ammonia the entire time
He made a fancy coatrack.
Good god
I feel like it still starts off too credulous towards the rationalists, but itās still an informative read.
Around this time, Ziz and Danielson dreamed up a project they called āthe rationalist fleetā. It would be a radical expansion of their experimental life on the water, with a floating hostel as a mothership.
Between them, Scientology and the libertarians, what the fuck is it with these people and boats?
ā¦what the fuck is it with these people and boats?
I blame the British for setting a bad example
Hey, weāre an island nation which ruled over a globe-spanning empire, we had a damn good reason to be obsessed with boats.
Couldnāt exactly commit atrocities on a worldwide scale without 'em, after all.
a really big boat is the ultimate compound. escape even the surly bonds of earth!
What we really need to do is lash together a bunch of icebergsā¦
I assume its to get them to cooperate.
Ah, yes. The implication.
From the opening, this guy has actually been more consistent about respecting her name and pronouns than most coverage Iāve read. Not what I would have expected, but Iām also only through the first section.
I hate that this shit has an established name now.
Do we have any experts on Wikipedian article-deletion practices around here? Because that looks really thinly sourced.
i applied the relevant tags and rewrote the intro, may go through the rest later
AI is going to wreck the world without even being asked to turn things into paperclips. Just giving all coders out of the loop performance problems.
To sorta repeat a prediction of mine, shit like this is gonna tank the public image of coding as a profession.
Inevitable software issues aside, āvibe codingā as a concept undermines any notion of coding as being a difficult/skillful thing, making it sound like coders are doing the equivalent of throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks. That the software produced by this method is inevitably derivative, dogshit or derivative dogshit is gonna help damage codingās image, too.
